Mirror, mirror, on the wall....

[with audio clips mirror1, mirror2, are they dates?]

The important thing about the mirror session was that it revealed to those who were present that Maynerd Most was in no way any of the things he claimed to be, least of all an expert on hypnosis and/or occult matters.

When we began to try to work with Maynerd to try to sort the matter out, he became very confrontational. We realized rather quickly that Maynerd was "something strange" and had wormed his way into our confidence and group. We weren't sure exactly what we were dealing with, but for the moment, until we could gather more date, his posting privileges were revoked. I wrote a long email to our private discussion group about the matter and why it was disturbing to us. Maynerd then wrote a lengthy rebuttal, and, finding that he could not post to the group, accused us of censorship and sent it to many people both on our private discussion group, and outside of it. He did this with full awareness that forwarding ANY emails from QFG private discussions is forbidden. Here is that email:

Date sent: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 12:50:56 -0400
Subject: Re: censorship and other issues
From: "Maynerd Most" <abooks@ac.net>
To: [snipped list of about 120 recipients]

I don't know how you guys feel about censorship, but if you've been reading the cassiopaean list, and my apologies to those who are no longer connected, and don't have a clue what is going on, well, these censored emails should have fill you in. I would appreciate it someone would see that everyone not included in this mailing get a chance to see it as well. maybe someone will one brave enough to re-post on the list.

Thanks,

Maynerd

And here's the censored email to the big list:

Greetings group,

My previous announcement of a return was unfortunately premature. My thanks to all for the good vibes...

Thought I would start with the backed up comments on AMET, as we call it for short. Bruce's summary was very interesting indeed, but not the whole story. Of course, if an intelligent reader can get that much out of, well, guess we did as good as could be expected.

Keep in mind that AMET is meant to be a general reader kind of book, one that presents the basic concepts to people who probably haven't heard of any of it before as well as the more advanced reader in search of new ideas. That's a delicate balance and in places, such as the lack of footnotes, we erred on the side of simplicity. Also, while I am responsible for the final draft of the book, the Dr. LaViolette chapter and most of all the Peru chapter is the work of my co-author, Alvin Wiley (a pseudonym).

Not passing the buck though. I think that Dr. LaViolette has very interesting ideas, even though he's off in places. The Peru connection is however more problematic.

When Alvin brought the project to me, he had already "decoded" the inscription on the Hendaye Cross and had the Cuzco/Urcos connection. Investigation on the ground revealed that there was probably some connection in Peru to the Atlantian culture and even possible survivals from the last catastrophe. The Nazis however had been there long before, and in an earlier version of AMET we covered this part of the story in detail. However we were advised to leave that part out as detracting from the thrust of our argument.

However, I came away from the whole Peru thing convinced that it was at best a half correct red herring designed to lead the materially inclined investigator on a dead end, such as all the Nazis in Peru. Hence chapter ten of AMET, which while simplistic, is at least attempting to address the basic issue of cosmology and immortality.

But a curious thing happened while we were driving madly around southern France. I glimpsed a second interpretation of the Hendaye Cross. At a conference that August, another friend, David Tresemer, the guy who first spotted the crossing comets on the Gorgon's head, spontaneously hit on the solution that I had roughed out in France. Originally, as seen by our very inconclusive conclusion, we planned to plunge on with this second interpretation right to the heart of RLC business and beyond.

Many things have intervened since. Including my protracted involvement with all things Cassiopaean. From which I have learned: Trust No One.

And on that note:

Laura wrote: Because, the fact is, we are vulnerable here and Stan is moving very close to that point of vulnerability - the fact that we agreed to appear at the Fifth Way Mystery School conference in September - which would connect us almost directly to his "satanist/nazi" conspiracy.

Stan undoubtedly knows of the long relationship between Dan Winter and our own Doc Strange, Maynerd Most. He probably also knows that Maynerd is no friend of Jirka's [Jirka Rysavy who Maynerd claimed was a CIA front] because Maynerd knew about Jirka's connection to the Ramsey's and that is how he "saw" beneath the surface of the Ramsey case. Jirka and his pals REALLY ARE into Satanism. It's not a joke. And Maynerd wrote about it as plainly as he could without risking going on a hit-list. It's clear that Maynerd is NOT one of them, but who will care? He does "enochian magic."

The fact is, Jirka tried to "buy" Dan Winter, and couldn't. And the fact is, Stan knows that Dan was connected to Maynerd, that Maynerd was supposed to publish Dan's book. So, the thread is leading to denounce us here as Satanists, Nazis and funded by Jirka.

We all know that Maynerd's own dabbling in things enochian are intended in quite another direction, however, that doesn't matter. A connection is a connection. And it is, in this case, a serious weakness in our defenses.

So it is, with regret, that Ark and I have decided that, for the safety of the group, for the preservation of all we have worked so hard for, for so many years, that we must cancel our appearance at the conference in Zaca Lake.

We have walked a careful path, attempting to build a bridge between science and mysticism. We have made tremendous progress. And, we are certain that Maynerd will understand the necessity for this move, and will agreeably refund the pre- paid reservations for all of you who were going to attend simply to hang out with us.

And to make it up to all of you, we will arrange our own "symposium" in the very near future. I am sure that there is enough talent here on the group that we could have a nice series of lectures on varous topics from some of you!

Laura

Well isn't that just grand! Things get rough and you decide to dump the person working overtime to get your material in print, to get you an income for your efforts and to give you a venue, a credible venue, in which to present your ideas...

Sorry, but I don't understand. First you trash the conference with your disclaimer on the site, and then when its too late for a refund on the deposit and you're the only speaker left, you decide not to do it. So, you have your symposium, already scheduled, booked and paid for entirely by people who came to hear you guys anyway. Might be a good idea to take advantage of it. Don't worry, there won't be any one else there but the staff. Perhaps you'd care to explain why that's not acceptable?

As for the rest of the above, well, let me say directly that I never asked, suggested or encouraged you in any way to write anything on Stan Tenen, nor did I give you permission to use my research on the case in your article, although I can't stop you because it is in the public domain as part of the court proceedings. If you had asked, I would have told you that it was a bad idea for the reasons you have just experienced.

And I have never said anything on the record, or given permission for any private communications to be shared, concerning Mr. Jirka Rysavy and "satanism" or the JonBenet Ramsey case.

Having said that, and I hope everyone understands why, I do wish Laura and Ark all the best, as I do think that the Cs material has much of vital interest to us all.

I will continue lurking unless I am purged completely, in which I case I take this opportunity to say good bye to you all.

Maynerd

Below are some comments I was working on in reply to AMET:

on 7/27/01 12:18 PM, three@onelight.org at three@onelight.org wrote:

> 4. From such a catastrophe, a place of refuge is earmarked, taken > from inscriptions, symbols, etc.= Cusco, Peru. Personally, I doubt > that anything would survive this, so I tend to believe that > something just as important is in Cusco, something buried there. > It is also interesting that the BCCI scandal ended up being traced > back to Peru.

This is probably one of the most effective statements I've read by the C's and it helps to consider it, especially when contemplating/interpreting Alchemy-related writing: They said, "3D thinking is 3D thinking."

So much for moving to Cusco. I'd rather go to 4D and realize it :-)

V: That's how I feel about. Way too many Nazis in Peru for my comfort. But this very clever red herring is not without value, on several levels.

> 4. Fulcanelli speaks of making glass'??

Spiritual Alchemy is the art of making glass, as quoted in the "Mystere" book. I forget who said that, but Fulcanelli was quoting an older philosopher in that passage. It's clearly true--pun intended. Glass making is work upon the soul; to crystalize, so to speak.

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V: The glass making metaphor is very profound and relates directly to brain chemistry.

And then a couple of key comments from Laura:

"The circumstantial evidence suggests that there really was a person behind the Fulcanelli mask, whose intermittent visits seemed to produce change and upheaval in Canseliet's life. Each appearance marked a major turning point, from his first encounter to his last. Fulcanelli would also seem to be virtually immortal, appearing to be roughly half his probably age, the last time Canseliet saw him. As for the gender-bending androgyny of the completed Great Work, well, the jury is still out on that one. It could have been Fulcanelli's daughter or grand-daughter. It could have been a dream or an initiation, or even some fantasy of Canseliet's long held love for his Master."

This is a pretty tame comment on one of the most significant clues in the entire story. Just like Parzival didn't ask questions, Maynerd did not see this for the clue that it was as to the nature of the 4th density reality as described over and over again by the C's.

V: Nope didn't miss that possibility, just trying to stay with the credible boundaries we set for the work. Notice that not much is made on the possibility that Fulcanelli was over two hundred years old at the time either.

Laura: From this we can deduce that when a person "completes" the work, they more or less "disappear." By the time they get close to it, they already begin to understand what it is they are doing and what is going to happen. So, they may put off the final activity to accomplish a few necessary tasks... such as Fulcanelli getting his books published. And he may have known that he might need to add a chapter and made arrangements for the "signal" for Canseliet. He was taken in a car to the Chateau in the Pyrenees... it is NOT a 3rd density location, for sure.

V: I don't get this one. Why is a car trip a sure sign of non-3D locality? I do think that Canseliet went to the Pyrennes, and then turned left into the 4D Twilight Zone, or whatever. This I can readily grasp from my own experience.

Laura: So, we see that in addition to "knowing the handshake" of the "11 house zodiac," the C's have given many, many other clues about the "Great Work," and the many phenomena associated with it. They have pretty much removed the veils of lies and mystery created around it by all the secret societies through the ages, and have given us direct, initiatory information, and evidence that their information is valid.

And most of all, they say that ritual is NOT the way to get there... it is the way to NOT get there.

V: I think a distinction should be made between rituals and spiritual practices or yannas. Otherwise you are in danger of missing the point. However any ritual or practice, even chatting with the Cs, if done in ignorance or without a good STO context, can end up feeding the lower astral, 4th density lizard types.

As for the Cs and their prohibition on rituals, well I recommend taking a look at the complete transcripts and read the entire session in which a reference to ritual is made. Some very interesting points emerge when looked at in this light. Here's a list of session in which rituals are mentioned: 00-09-09.txt 94-07-16.TXT 94-10-22.TXT 94-10-28.TXT 94-11-19.TXT 94-12-01.TXT 94-12-23.TXT 95-01-07.TXT 95-01-21.TXT 95-02-25.TXT 95-05-20.TXT 95-07-08.TXT 95-07-23.TXT 95-08-12.TXT 96-03-29.TXT 98-06-20.TXT 98-08-22.TXT 98-12-26.TXT 99-06-19.TXT 99-07-31.TXT

As a general idea for any one really interested in the Cs and the related issues, I recommend sending Perseus some money and getting your very own set of transcripts on CD. Well worth it.

Laura:

Fulcanelli gives clues all over the place that the "double catastrophe" related to the sun is literally that: a Twin Sun... a binary system, the "planet of the crossing" of Sumerian fame, the reason for the "cross" in the circle... the circle represents the Sun and the cross represents that there are TWO of them.

V: I don't get this one either. Where does Fulcanelli suggest a double sun? How exactly is a cross related to the double sun?

And here's the back ground emails, starting with email of 8/4/01

Well, so much to talk about and so little time...

Firstly, the book - By now you've seen the rough dummies for Noah and if you like the way its going, and given everything else, then take a look at the attached contract. If everything is OK, you can just sign and send it back.

If not, well, we can talk about it...

Secondly, the conference - With your disclaimer, and other things posted on the cassiopaea site, I think it best that FWMS, et al., withdraw our support from the conference.

Which means that the conference is all yours. I'll handle the folks who were interested in the other parts of the program, and it will be a weekend with Laura and the cassiopaeans, exclusively. I'm sure the folks from the group who have signed up would prefer that anyway. I'll take care of the zaca lake details for handling your reduced group, and your plane tickets out there. Anything over the expenses you are welcome to keep.

Which brings us to the money issue. If everything is fine with book and contract, I'll gladly pay your share of any pre-sale, such as distributor purchases, immediately the check clears the bank. That and an aggressive internet campaign should result in some income almost from day one of publication. Better than that, I can not do.

As for the other issues, how would you like to handle it? In person by phone? By email, and if so, privately, inner group or big group? Your choice entirely.

Maynerd

Consultation on Saturday, August 4, 2001 at 11:50 AM.

Present: 62 Attention to Detail

Question: What should I know about the Laura situation?

Ambitious undertakings are not in order now, but attention to small matters brings progress. Such is the case of a person whose resources are meager, but who, through modesty and perseverance, rises to accomplish great things.

The key to success when the small potential dominates the large scene is to avoid pretentious ambitions and grandiose goals. The power of the small is served by slow and steady advancement, and succeeds through an honest awareness of its own limitations, without reservation.

Modesty stemming from recognizing your limitations is a fine quality, but it can be seen as weakness if it is not accompanied by conscientiousness. It is very important, therefore, to understand the demands of your situation, and not to expect success in big things right now. The wise person recognizes the nature of the time. So, know your own role, carefully attend to details and act with humility, and you can achieve success even with few resources.

There are two changing lines. Either one or the other or some combination of both of them will be relevant.

The first changing line is Line 3:

When danger lurks, the wise take precautions, and do not consider even the smallest matters above their concern. Attention to small, even petty, details is often what paves the way for escape during a time of crisis. If you venture into the heart of the city at night, it pays to know the shortest, safest way out before you enter.

The second changing line is Line 5:

When assembling a team to undertake a difficult task, emphasize achievement and talent over status and reputation. Only by assembling solid individual elements can the small be transformed into the great. Keep the group chemistry in mind, for harmonious working relationships are essential to the success of exceptional undertakings begun with meager resources.

Future: 45 Gathering Together

This hexagram represents the quality of likely opportunities and challenges arising from changes that are in process now:

The power of gathering together is represented by a rally, where each individual's strength is magnified by the power of the community as a whole. History has shown that mass movements can bring about stable, ordered and durable conditions for the better. This reading may be pointing to an auspicious time for large undertakings. But the guiding force of a shared vision is essential to hold the forces of unity together, and keep them advancing toward a common goal.

Another image for this situation is that of a lake filling with water. Just as the fullness of the lake can bring good fortune to all in its sphere, it can also overflow, leading to calamity. Thus in a time of gathering together it is essential that precautions against unforeseen danger be considered along with efforts to advance along a clearly-charted course. Much of human misfortune comes from unexpected events for which we are ill prepared; when gathered together with others, we are both more powerful and, in some ways, more vulnerable.

Any time of unity is a time of potential greatness. But that greatness can be both positive and negative. Everything is magnified when masses of people unite for a single purpose. When many people unite behind a single goal or strong vision, it is wise to take personal precautions, and to protect your own reasonable self-interests, because these can easily be lost in the crowd.

On 4 Aug 2001, at 11:57, Maynerd Bridges wrote:

> > Question: What should I know about the Laura situation?

You should know that Laura adores you for many reasons, not the least of which is that you are you.

Also, that she is dedicated to what she does to the point that personal feelings are of secondary importance if they conflict with perceived correct and careful approach to the goal. i.e. "attention to detail."

This means that, all aspects of associations and how they may promote or hinder, whether they can help or hurt, are considered in the approach to the "goal."

"The power of the small is served by slow and steady advancement, and succeeds through an honest awareness of its own limitations, without reservation."

Indeed. And when any enterprise is undertaken, such things as how it begins, and on what foundations it is laid, and who are the associates, and what they practice and believe.

> The first changing line is Line 3: > > When danger lurks, the wise take precautions, and do not consider even the > smallest matters above their concern. Attention to small, even petty, > details is often what paves the way for escape during a time of crisis. If you > venture into the heart of the city at night, it pays to know the shortest, > safest way out before you enter.

That is precisely our position. We cannot fail to observe the fact that our associations, who they are, what they practice, what they believe as evidenced by what they practice, could come back to haunt us.

> The second changing line is Line 5: > > When assembling a team to undertake a difficult task, emphasize achievement and > talent over status and reputation. Only by assembling solid individual elements > can the small be transformed into the great. Keep the group chemistry in mind, > for harmonious working relationships are essential to the success of exceptional > undertakings begun with meager resources.

Again: an accurate rendering. Your professional status is immaterial. But what you do is most material. What you say, how it may be perceived in the eyes and mind of the public, and what reflection it may have on our own work and presentation thereof.

> Future: 45 Gathering Together > > This hexagram represents the quality of likely opportunities and challenges > arising from changes that are in process now: > > The power of gathering together is represented by a rally, where each > individual's strength is magnified by the power of the community as a whole. > History has shown that mass movements can bring about stable, ordered and > durable conditions for the better. This reading may be pointing to an > auspicious time for large undertakings. But the guiding force of a shared > vision is essential to hold the forces of unity together, and keep them > advancing toward a common goal.

Note: the "guiding force of a shared vision." This is uppermost in my mind. There is no way a team of horses can be harnessed to pull a wagon if one of them is constantly pulling in a direction opposite to the others. It is not a question of whether or not people are entitled to their own opinions and beliefs - that is a given. But when people are "harnessed together," with a goal in mind, it becomes crucial that the vision is a shared one. And clearly, it is not.

> > Another image for this situation is that of a lake filling with water. Just as > the fullness of the lake can bring good fortune to all in its sphere, it can > also overflow, leading to calamity. Thus in a time of gathering together it is > essential that precautions against unforeseen danger be considered along with > efforts to advance along a clearly-charted course. Much of human misfortune > comes from unexpected events for which we are ill prepared; when gathered > together with others, we are both more powerful and, in some ways, more > vulnerable.

Exactly so. We are indeed very vulnerable when gathered together with those whose beliefs and practices are so widely divergent that there is simply no way to advance along a "clearly charted course." We must expect the unexpected, and that includes accusations far worse than "anti-semite." It is so easy for me to go through and bring up the issues of black magick and its relation to control systems and the negative connotations of Mathers and Dee and Enochian stuff, that any close association with same is a pit just waiting to swallow us up. It doesn't matter whether it is true or not, what matters is the eye of the beholder as to whether or not the presenters of information are "clean" in all their practices, and honest to a fault about presenting them in a clear light.

And, in point of fact, from our own perspective, such practices are not only counter to what we believe to be useful and valid and worthy of teaching, they are a huge detriment in the eyes of the larger public.

> Any time of unity is a time of potential greatness. But that greatness can be > both positive and negative. Everything is magnified when masses of people unite > for a single purpose. When many people unite behind a single goal or strong > vision, it is wise to take personal precautions, and to protect your own > reasonable self-interests, because these can easily be lost in the crowd.

See above.

In the most specific terms I can say it: I was truly not aware of the extent and continuation of the "enochian" theme you have talked about on many occasions. That is my own fault - being so busy that the only pages on your site that I read were related to subjects in which I was interested. I didn't bother to look at or read you "enochian working" business until it was brought to my attention by a member of the group who was distressed by the references to rituals (as many of them were.) When I read it, I will say that I went "through the roof."

I couldn't believe that a person who claims such a rational and skeptical point of view could even do such things, much less write about them and publish them. And this was, of course, after viewing a whole suitcase full of attachments. (Don't for a minute think that it was merely my perception of your "accoutrements," it was and is attachments. That is one thing in which I am so experienced that I don't think you have any idea. And it also presented itself in a shocking way... I was NOT expecting it. But you asked, and I saw. There was a great deal more that I saw, and part of it was that you are simply not prepared to accept it.)

So, seeing these attachments, followed by reading about these 'workings,' right at the very time I am writing a chapter on the very subject itself, and my occasional brushes with the GD folks - well, it was sure a message.

Follow this with reading the Dan Winter book and your essay on magic in the back with the giveaway phrases about "control," which is NOT what we are about, and is exactly that which we seek to expose... as well as your admission of rewriting some of Winter's stuff, and the use of so blatant a series of words designed to hypnotized, or trigger emotions, and the whole deal with that book - well... I hope you are beginning to have some idea of my perceptions here. Just who is on first here?

There is, indeed, more - all of which relates to the bottom line: at this point of our "small beginning," I don't think we can afford to be associated with those things that we know, from experience, can be detrimental in two ways: 1) the very fact of being "in harness" with one whose direction is different leads to a drain of energy, and opens a door to negative energies. It doesn't matter that you are the one doing the "workings" and we are not. If we are united in any kind of effort, it will never succeed, just as I described in chapter 42. 2) The public perception is extremely important, as well as Ark's reputation. It's one thing to engage in a channeling experiment as a scientific exercise - he can do that, and while it may be thought that he has "fringe" extramural interests, it is nothing that unusual; many scientists are studying similar things. However, it is beyond the pale to be associated with ritual magic, enochian stuff that is connected (however you may protest that it is "intent" that counts) to Parsons, Crowley, Hubbard, and a host of negative activities and bizarre activities of those who were clearly either failures, or succeeded in instituting more mind control programs.

Maynerd, it's just too much.

Regarding Noah, I can only say that the conditions under which it might be published by you are very narrow at present. If it can be gotten into print ASAP and thereby produce income, it is possible. But most of the illustrations have to go. It looks like a supermarket tabloid, not a serious book. Many, many things about it have to be covered in a serious and business-like way.

Again, I do most sincerely adore you; I have received much in the way of delight and stimulation in our many exchanges. Friends can have conversations and exchanges and agree to disagree on many things. But getting in harness with others is a whole different level of involvement and "attention to detail" is crucial. To leave a shoe-lace untied is to invite a fall. And this is a loooong shoelace!

Much affection, Laura

Well, all this would be fascinating if it weren't so sad, unnecessary and obviously manipulated by the other side. Perhaps that why it's so fascinating.

Anyway, a few comments and clarifications:

> On 4 Aug 2001, at 11:57, Maynerd Bridges wrote: > >> >> Question: What should I know about the Laura situation? > > You should know that Laura adores you for many reasons, not the least of which > is that you are you.

And then the rest of it is extremely judgmental, without any real understanding on which to base any sort of judgment. Pure knee jerk reaction.

>> Future: 45 Gathering Together >> >> This hexagram represents the quality of likely opportunities and challenges >> arising from changes that are in process now: >> >> The power of gathering together is represented by a rally, where each >> individual's strength is magnified by the power of the community as a whole. >> History has shown that mass movements can bring about stable, ordered and >> durable conditions for the better. This reading may be pointing to an >> auspicious time for large undertakings. But the guiding force of a shared >> vision is essential to hold the forces of unity together, and keep them >> advancing toward a common goal. > > Note: the "guiding force of a shared vision." This is uppermost in my mind. > There is no way a team of horses can be harnessed to pull a wagon if one of > them is constantly pulling in a direction opposite to the others. It is not a > question of whether or not people are entitled to their own opinions and > beliefs - that is a given. But when people are "harnessed together," with a > goal in mind, it becomes crucial that the vision is a shared one. And > clearly, > it is not.

OK, so when have I done anything but try to help? No, seriously, when have I ever rocked the boat, preached a separate agenda or created any kind of waves on any of the groups that I didn't discuss with you before hand? So we are not in harmony because of what exactly? Your new understanding of some of my ideas? > >> >> Another image for this situation is that of a lake filling with water. Just >> as >> the fullness of the lake can bring good fortune to all in its sphere, it can >> also overflow, leading to calamity. Thus in a time of gathering together it >> is >> essential that precautions against unforeseen danger be considered along with >> efforts to advance along a clearly-charted course. Much of human misfortune >> comes from unexpected events for which we are ill prepared; when gathered >> together with others, we are both more powerful and, in some ways, more >> vulnerable. > > Exactly so. We are indeed very vulnerable when gathered together with those > whose beliefs and practices are so widely divergent that there is simply no > way > to advance along a "clearly charted course." We must expect the unexpected, > and that includes accusations far worse than "anti-semite." It is so easy for > me to go through and bring up the issues of black magick and its relation to > control systems and the negative connotations of Mathers and Dee and Enochian > stuff, that any close association with same is a pit just waiting to swallow > us > up. It doesn't matter whether it is true or not, what matters is the eye of > the beholder as to whether or not the presenters of information are "clean" in > all their practices, and honest to a fault about presenting them in a clear > light. > > And, in point of fact, from our own perspective, such practices are not only > counter to what we believe to be useful and valid and worthy of teaching, they > are a huge detriment in the eyes of the larger public.

Oh that's a good one! Sounding like a RA retread is OK, but heaven forbid that you have anyone around with real information on such topics. Ouiji boards and black mirrors and psychomantiums are fine, just make sure that no one is around who might understand the mechanism.

> > >> Any time of unity is a time of potential greatness. But that greatness can >> be >> both positive and negative. Everything is magnified when masses of people >> unite >> for a single purpose. When many people unite behind a single goal or strong >> vision, it is wise to take personal precautions, and to protect your own >> reasonable self-interests, because these can easily be lost in the crowd. > > See above. > > In the most specific terms I can say it: I was truly not aware of the extent > and continuation of the "enochian" theme you have talked about on many > occasions. That is my own fault - being so busy that the only pages on your > site that I read were related to subjects in which I was interested. I didn't > bother to look at or read you "enochian working" business until it was brought > to my attention by a member of the group who was distressed by the references > to rituals (as many of them were.) When I read it, I will say that I went > "through the roof."

Emotional reaction demonstrating programming implant. Probably done during the last mirror session and you didn't even notice. > > I couldn't believe that a person who claims such a rational and skeptical > point > of view could even do such things, much less write about them and publish > them. > > And this was, of course, after viewing a whole suitcase full of attachments. > (Don't for a minute think that it was merely my perception of your > "accoutrements," it was and is attachments. That is one thing in which I am > so > experienced that I don't think you have any idea. And it also presented > itself > in a shocking way... I was NOT expecting it. But you asked, and I saw. There > was a great deal more that I saw, and part of it was that you are simply not > prepared to accept it.)

Indeed, except what you were viewing didn't have anything to do with me. You were seeing the programming bundle that you had just acquired on the other side, astrally. It was obviously a screen, and so perplexing in origin that it plausibly could have been mine. That got me thinking, right there on the spot.

By the time I got to Gainesville on the way home, I had it roughed out in my mind, and it wasn't pretty. We had been set up, big time. So I waited for the other shoe to drop, and it didn't take long. Just who suggested reading DW out loud? And who was there at the time? After a couple of conversations, I could feel it building. What could I do? Tell you? What kind of reaction would that trigger? See where it was going and try to minimize the damage?

And then, conveniently, communications went down on my end. I couldn't even do damage control. And then things got worse, your disclaimer, flame wars that you probably haven't even heard reports of yet, your posts and articles on the site, speakers dropping out of the conference and so on. Through it all, I'm as sick as I've ever been, literally as you pointed out, at death's door and still moving, and the books are getting done.

And now this...

> > So, seeing these attachments, followed by reading about these 'workings,' > right > at the very time I am writing a chapter on the very subject itself, and my > occasional brushes with the GD folks - well, it was sure a message. > > Follow this with reading the Dan Winter book and your essay on magic in the > back with the giveaway phrases about "control," which is NOT what we are > about, > and is exactly that which we seek to expose... as well as your admission of > rewriting some of Winter's stuff, and the use of so blatant a series of words > designed to hypnotized, or trigger emotions, and the whole deal with that book > - > well... I hope you are beginning to have some idea of my perceptions here. > Just who is on first here?

Indeed, that's the whole point, against your better judgment and experience, against all the evidence available, you still came up with that perception. Where did it really come from? Pandora's portmanteau? > > There is, indeed, more - all of which relates to the bottom line: at this > point > of our "small beginning," I don't think we can afford to be associated with > those things that we know, from experience, can be detrimental in two ways: 1) > the very fact of being "in harness" with one whose direction is different > leads > to a drain of energy, and opens a door to negative energies. It doesn't > matter > that you are the one doing the "workings" and we are not. If we are united in > any kind of effort, it will never succeed, just as I described in chapter 42. > 2) The public perception is extremely important, as well as Ark's reputation. > It's one thing to engage in a channeling experiment as a scientific exercise - > he can do that, and while it may be thought that he has "fringe" extramural > interests, it is nothing that unusual; many scientists are studying similar > things. However, it is beyond the pale to be associated with ritual magic, > enochian stuff that is connected (however you may protest that it is "intent" > that counts) to Parsons, Crowley, Hubbard, and a host of negative activities > and bizarre activities of those who were clearly either failures, or succeeded > in instituting more mind control programs. > > Maynerd, it's just too much.

Sorry, just don't buy it. The energy drain started with the break, back at the mirror, and not through me or any of my associations, which by the way you have been given ample evidence by the Cs themselves of my involvement and associations, if you care to look at it clearly. Lord knows, you sent most of it to me in emails through the years!

Again, a ouiji board, black mirror and psychomantium are OK, but knowing anything about to use them is not? > > Regarding Noah, I can only say that the conditions under which it might be > published by you are very narrow at present. If it can be gotten into print > ASAP and thereby produce income, it is possible. But most of the > illustrations > have to go. It looks like a supermarket tabloid, not a serious book. Many, > many things about it have to be covered in a serious and business-like way.

I assume from your next email that even this is off. Too bad, because we are a day or so away from serious contract talks with distributor. I have a significantly less chance of making the sale without Noah Syndrome, which is very bad news all around. As I said before, if they buy in bulk, I'll pay your share as soon as the check clears the bank. I have a new site, aethyrea.com, just about ready to go as major commerce site, but of course that doesn't matter. > > Again, I do most sincerely adore you; I have received much in the way of > delight and stimulation in our many exchanges. Friends can have conversations > and exchanges and agree to disagree on many things. But getting in harness > with others is a whole different level of involvement and "attention to > detail" > is crucial. To leave a shoe-lace untied is to invite a fall. And this is a > loooong shoelace! > > Much affection, > Laura

So who untied the shoe lace...

Look, I obviously like you guys, and deeply respect your work and efforts. So what, really, is the problem.

Maynerd

Hi, You have missed the entire point.

Our understanding about you was that you were a student of, and expert on, esoteric phenomena, secret schools, GD stuff, and so forth. The fact that you are an ongoing PRACTITIONER and BELIEVER in same, was somehow not really emphasized.

Teaching about such things as an intellectual exercise is one thing. This is what I understood you to be doing.

Practicing, advocating, publishing clear descriptions of such which promote adherence to such practices as being useful and positive is also fine. Nobody can tell anybody else how to view their world, or how to interact with it.

However, it is contrary to everything we think and do and say.

What I am saying here is, the realization that this is your position, what you advocate, what you teach was slow in dawning. If it had been a full part of awareness on our part, the problem would never have arisen. We would never have been associated.

We aren't even suggesting that we think you are wrong. We just simply see the pitfalls of association and how they will affect what we think, do and say.

The fault is, of course, ours. We should have investigated you more thoroughly before any public links were established.

I remember writing to Johan, answering his accusation that you practiced ritual magic, that, yes, you talk about all that sort of thing on your site, but that you didn't really believe that stuff or practice it - it was just part of your ongoing research. And I thought it was. And you knew that I thought it was because I forwarded that letter to you. That was your cue to say: "oops, wait a minute... I really think that this stuff is the cat's miaou and I do it all the time... "

You didn't. Was that overt manipulation? Or was it merely strategic omission? Is there an agenda on your part? Or is it merely a comedy of errors? I tend to think the latter, though I am aware that such comedies can be written from other realms...

Many people on the group wrote to me privately with some concern when you posted your information about an exercise relating to kundalini. I ignored it. My mistake. I should have gone to read it and the other pages relating to such things. I didn't because I was trusting your statements that you were a "researcher." Heck, I researched all that stuff too... I just figured that you did it deeper than I did by infiltrating all those groups and pretending so you could find out what they knew. It never dawned on me (no pun intended) that you actually bought into any of that sort of thing.

You kept saying that "free will" was your goal. I believed that without checking to see what your real definition was.

Well, from what I have read so far, I don't think that you really perceive free will the way we do.

And from our perspective, any such practices designed to engage any forces whatsoever, to have them do anything whatsoever, is a violation of free will. It is one thing to ask for knowledge for the self, and then to listen for a reply. It is something else altogether to ask, or perform a ritual designed to induce, a change in the reality. The external reality only changes when the internal reality changes. And it can only change via reception of knowledge, and application to one's own life.

So, the bottom line is: our actions are directed at one thing, and one thing only: to protect our years of work and effort. My experience, my education and efforts have brought me to an understanding that any close association with such activities is a huge portal for entry of negative energies.

And simple consideration and thoughtful reflection on your part would bring an awareness of what I have said regarding public awareness, and the potential for attack from any and all directions when one is engaged in, or associated with, such activities.

If you can't see that, then there is nothing I can say. We live in the real world, and we have history to teach us many things. The history of those activities and the people involved in them are fruitful lines of inquiry as to what NOT to do.

Again, let me repeat: we are concerned only with our years of work and effort. Personal considerations simply cannot rule in these matters. If you were concerned about this work, this association, the future, you would not only cease your own participation in those things, but you would publicly repudiate it, change the format of your "Mystery School" to reflect such concern, and otherwise close the holes in your own defenses against such forces which are clearly acting in your life right now.

You try to shift the blame onto us, saying we are rude, we are thoughtless, we are any number of things that have brought this issue to a pass. However, if you were paying attention to the objective reality, you would clearly see what was coming, how it would come, and take certain and effective actions to "head it off."

If the situation is not to your liking, how about an experiment? Do a "working," call on the "Ophanic Intelligences," perform three rituals or more a day to change the reality - and see what happens.

If it was useful, it would be working. See?

Laura

And then I learned that I was being censored on the list, so I posted the above to another smaller group and got this response:

Some notes for you here.

On 6 Aug 2001, at 11:01, aethyrea wrote:

> Because, the fact is, we are vulnerable here and Stan is moving very close to > that point of vulnerability - the fact that we agreed to appear at the Fifth > Way Mystery School conference in September - which would connect us almost > directly to his "satanist/nazi" conspiracy. > > Stan undoubtedly knows of the long relationship between Dan Winter and our own > Doc Strange, Maynerd Bridges. He probably also knows that Maynerd is no > friend of Jirka's because Maynerd knew about Jirka's connection to the > Ramsey's and that is how he "saw" beneath the surface of the Ramsey case. > Jirka and his pals REALLY ARE into Satanism. It's not a joke. And Maynerd > wrote about it as plainly as he could without risking going on a hit-list. > It's clear that Maynerd is NOT one of them, but who will care? He does > "enochian magic."

[Here you have been offered a platform to speak about your perspective on this, to clarify it. I have said that you are NOT one of them... because it is clearly coming from outside sources, and it is only a matter of time, that somebody is going to make this claim. You could see Stan going there, but pulling up short at the last minute. This was your opportunity to prevent any possibility of that occurrence having ability to harm you. Giving knowledge to others about it, before the slanted versions appear - and you can be sure they will if WE continue in any association - is the ONLY defense. I gave you this platform, but you ignored it.]

> > The fact is, Jirka tried to "buy" Dan Winter, and couldn't. And the fact is, > Stan knows that Dan was connected to Maynerd, that Maynerd was supposed to > publish Dan's book. So, the thread is leading to denounce us here as > Satanists, Nazis and funded by Jirka. > > We all know that Maynerd's own dabbling in things enochian are intended in > quite another direction, however, that doesn't matter. A connection is a > connection. And it is, in this case, a serious weakness in our defenses.

[Here you had another platform... one where you could say "well, it was the best thing I could see up to recent times, but my experiences and exchanges with the group here have brought me to question the value of such things. I will be taking such and such action.... blah blah... and therefore, we have learned from this experience and maybe we can work this out. And, had you said that you were willing to reconsider your position, we would have been most happy to reconsider our position. We have no problem admitting when we are wrong and have made bad choices. But as the situation stood at the moment of this choice, it was the right choice. Had the situation changed, it could all be reconsidered.]

> > So it is, with regret, that Ark and I have decided that, for the safety of the > group, for the preservation of all we have worked so hard for, for so many > years, that we must cancel our appearance at the conference in Zaca Lake. > > We have walked a careful path, attempting to build a bridge between science > and mysticism. We have made tremendous progress. And, we are certain that > Maynerd will understand the necessity for this move, and will agreeably refund > the pre- paid reservations for all of you who were going to attend simply to > hang out with us. > > And to make it up to all of you, we will arrange our own "symposium" in the > very near future. I am sure that there is enough talent here on the group > that we could have a nice series of lectures on varous topics from some of > you!

[Again, you had a platform of learning/teaching and demonstrating growth practices of self-examination, reviewing situations, making course adjustments, and so forth. Is that so hard to do?]

> Well isn't that just grand! Things get rough and you decide to dump the > person working overtime to get your material in print, to get you an income > for your efforts and to give you a venue, a credible venue, in which to > present your ideas...

[Maynerd, you have spent most of the past four months doing anything BUT working on our book to get it in print. As for a credible venue, don't you get it yet? A sponsorship by Fifth Way and SanGraal is NOT a credible venue... it is a recipe for disaster!]

> > Sorry, but I don't understand. First you trash the conference with your > disclaimer on the site, and then when its too late for a refund on the > deposit

[I don't get the "too late for a refund." Your statment was that your friend, Alvin, was the operator of the conference center. If he was running it like a business, six weeks is adequate time for a refund from any credible conference center. Are you saying that all the money has been spent?]

and you're the only speaker left, you decide not to do it.

[When did you plan to inform anyone that we were the only speaker left? What about the people who were coming to hear the other speakers? And why did THEY cancel? Something is wrong with this picture.]

So, you have > your symposium, already scheduled, booked and paid for entirely by people who > came to hear you guys anyway. Might be a good idea to take advantage of it. > Don't worry, there won't be any one else there but the staff. Perhaps you'd > care to explain why that's not acceptable?

[The issue is, and I will repeat it again, the sponsorship by Fifth Way and San Graal, and the fact that both are publicly associated with practices and teachings that can be connected to what is perceived as Satanism, and no amount of declaiming that you are not a Satanist will cure that fact. YOU could cure it by repudiating it. But it would be unreasonable for us to even suggest it. If it were in your heart to do it, that would be one thing, but to do it for political reasons would not be sincere.]

> > As for the rest of the above, well, let me say directly that I never asked, > suggested or encouraged you in any way to write anything on Stan Tenen, nor > did I give you permission to use my research on the case in your article, > although I can't stop you because it is in the public domain as part of the > court proceedings. If you had asked, I would have told you that it was a bad > idea for the reasons you have just experienced.

[I guess it is a bad idea to talk about things that are necessary to expose the Matrix? That's what we do here. That's the whole deal.]

> > And I have never said anything on the record, or given permission for any > private communications to be shared, concerning Mr. Jirka Rysavy and > "satanism" or the JonBenet Ramsey case.

[If you don't see this coming, you had better look again. The very fact that you perceived issues under the surface in this connection and wrote about it, is the clearest proof of your good intentions in the whole mess. Again, a platform was prepared for you, but you either didn't see it, or declined to utilize it to your benefit.]

Maynerd, from the very beginning of our interaction, you had every opportunity to "come clean," to use knowledge in a way that would change your life. You think I am joking, I guess, when I say this. I am not.

You are an expert on many things and a brilliant thinker. But just like the rest of us, you seem to have a big blind spot in your mind that may be self- destructive. As usual, this is generally a symptom of narcissism - an essential STS program. It's very easy for all of us to see the programs in others, but extremely difficult to see them in ourselves, to say: "yes, I have a program, it was running when I made this or that decision, and now, having spotted it, I am dealing with it."

Well, in this case, I was certainly running a program myself. I was not taking the proper precautions because I was quite lulled into a sense of security by your brilliance and your assurances. I didn't do my homework. Having been hit by forces of a certain type, from a certain direction, it was time to search and anlyze the issue. Fortunately, I had a clue given to me from the viewing when you were here. It puzzled me, and upset me, and I didn't like it. But, it seems that once it occurred, once the door to perception was slightly opened, the shaft of light that entered into my own wishful thinking was enough to show me many other things, and to show them to me just in the nick of time to take corrective action.

That's what we are all about: knowing that ALL of us have programs - no one is excepted, no one is immune, and one of the most dangerous of programs is to think that one IS immune, or that rituals or certain practices will protect from this running of a program.

And to be able to stand up in public and say: I was programmed (even if we are only talking about socio-cultural programs and not deep, dark, satanic programs) takes a certain amount of courage. To say "I was wrong" takes courage, also. To expose our foibles takes courage. To turn our brilliant minds on our own issues takes courage.

And I can almost guarantee that you, with your mind and talents, are one of the prime targets of programming from any number of sources. To think that you would escape is almost ludicrous. And to think that it will be easy to face it and overcome it is also absurd.

But, again, there is a platform, and I will preserve it for you as long as possible. It ain't over 'til it's over.

Laura

I fail to see how censoring my access to the list is giving me any kind of platform, but apparently the plan was to make sure I couldn't reply.

The process continued in subsequent emails to the small group:

Laura here: And that is my point. I have no intention of censoring. But, still being 3D enough to wishfully think about what COULD STILL BE an extraordinary collaboration, I would like to leave the door open to that possibility just a little bit longer. If it becomes a billboard falling over my head that the door must be forever closed, then I will release the post, and the door will slam shut. Of that you can be sure.

But, I would like to make a few points here:

We can always sense the wolf sniffing around the perimeter, looking for an opening. If he finds only a small one, he will begin to dig and shove and work his way in.

In this case it was, of course, Maynerd's ongoing participation in the Enochian stuff which, I was actually unaware that he DID it himself. My understanding from him was that he had researched it, had even gotten inside the organizations to do so, but that his intereest was purely intellectual and speculative.

Well, in reading Dan Winter's book and during the discussions of "sacred geometry," I knew we had a problem... but it was more than just knowing it.

I knew things were not right because certain plans had not materialized, and certain signs were appearing here, and I always pay attention to signs.

What should I do? Go out and perform a ritual?

Here is the one C's propose: always expect attack, anticipate source of same, take action to head it off.

I was asking the universe, where is the hole? What is the portal of attack. And, just as I asked, a post came from Maynerd proposing a ritual, and I decided that here and now we will open this sacred geometry subject up and see what comes out from networking rather than following the same old crap that has been coming down for ages, mostly from the ritual magic sources.

Meanwhile, on the subject of sacred geometry, a post came from Terri pointing out a certain page on Maynerd's site which I casually went over to read....

To be pointed to a page on his website where he is clearly not only DOING that stuff - believing in it - but advocating it as "the way," just nearly gave me a heart attack.

And, when I realized that, and the fact that Maynerd actually gave a copy of his book containing this ritual to a potential funding source who we all knew was a sincere Mormon, well - talk about shooting yourself and the whole group in the foot, damn it. That guy will NEVER give a dime to anything after reading that chapter, and if you don't realize it, you need to wake up and smell the coffee here.

Which chapter, by the way, completely invalidates the "rational" excuse for AMET - that the 4D aspect of it was "known" but that it was not brought up because it was too off the wall. Because, at the end of AMET, that whole chapter on the Equinox working is included.

Well, I saw the portal. And I knew that I immediately had to make our position clear to the big group as well as on the conference announcement. I figured that was enough. Just deal with that, and deal with the issues of ritual, make the position clear. We can agree to disagree, but it has to be public because we don't hide those things.

I figured Maynerd could enter the discussion and I was - wishfully thinking, I admit - hoping that he would give it a "theoretical" or "experimental" spin as an act of courtesy. You know "hey, we tried that stuff for the sake of experiment, etc, etc," but we don't really believe or teach that stuff... except as an intellectual and historical exercise...

That he could not, or did not, see the position we were in - from the very beginning - knowing far better than I did, his own involvement in some truly fringe and irrational elements - all the while claiming rationality and research, and serious application of thinking - well, you see my point here? There was a serious lack of consideration about what we are about, our years of work and effort, and even a seeming effort to undermine that very work with the introduction of rituals into the group, which I am supposed to not comment on, thereby giving tacit acceptance or approval to them???

Get real.

But then, as the wolf made the hole bigger, and came in through those anti- semitic rantings against us, and then Stan Tenen posted his deal to Sarfatti's VERY LONG list of scientists... and others, I saw the handwriting on the wall.

Always expect attack, anticipate the mode of same, take action to head it off.

That's the formula. That is the ONLY formula that works. But it necessitates seeing reality OBJECTIVELY.

It was time to stop waffling and waiting for Maynerd to get with the program.

So, we not only removed any mention of his Fifth Way mystery school from our site, so as not to leave a trail for the hounds of hell that were now picking up the scent, but also decided that we had to create even more distance. This way, if it ever gets thrown in our face - which you can be sure it will (always expect attack, anticipate source of same, take action to head it off) we will be able to point out that once we were fully aware of the situation, we disconnected.

Because that is the truth.

Well, as you see from Maynerd's post here on the crucible, he just simply does not see any perspective but his own. He does not see the danger. He is not looking at what can, and will happen if these things are NOT anticipated and dealt with swiftly and cleanly. His practices and public posting of same, are a HUGE hole in our defenses. And if he does not see this, then he is not seeing reality.

Knowing the C's perspective, knowing the vulnerabilities, Maynerd could have put the same sequence of thoughts into action (always expect attack, anticipate modes of same, take action to head it off) at any time. But did he do that? Nope. I guess he did a "working" and communed with the Ophanic Intelligences.

What is even more amazing is the fact that it is all blamed on us because we are so ungrateful, so unappreciative, so uncaring, and most of all sneaky and untrustworthy.

Well, from my point of view, that is fine. I will take the blame. In fact, I deserve it. I should never have taken Maynerd's word for anything but should have investigated deep and far and wide and should have paid more attention and been more aware.

Next, in the post to the big group, Maynerd makes that most amazing statement about giving us a "credible venue."

Excuse me? Are we forgetting something here? Has it eluded our awareness that Ark is a scientist, a winner of a Humboldt prize, with 80 some published papers (in mainstream journals, I might add) to his credit, and a still existing position with a major European university? Has it been forgotten that our whole work and effort is to build an edifice of real scientific mysticism? That we labor long and hard to that end? And here we are on the point of being connected, in public, to Satanism - never mind whether Maynerd himself thinks what he is doing is Satanic - it is the public perception that counts, and its effect on our ability to present the work that is important.

And it is supposed to be a credible venue to be sponsored by Fifth Way and SanGraal who also promote Drunvalo Melchizidek, were big on Dan Winter, and have articles about calling down Ophanic intelligences and rituals and all that?

GET REAL!!!!

That's why we are supposed to use our brains, not rituals. Always expect attack, anticipate source of same, take action to head it off. That's the formula. Works every time.

What really hurts here is that when you like somebody so much, you see so much value in them, so much out and out brilliance, and you would really like to work with them because it could be so much fun - but the reality is that if you do, their beliefs and practices, their blind spot, are openings for attack onto you. It's that simple.

I should never have made the mistake of thinking that we could ever go beyond friendly discussion on any of a number of subjects. You can't be harnessed with a horse that is pulling in the opposite direction. So, most definitely, the fault is mine.

Can that horse turn around and pull in the same direction?

Is it wishful thinking for me to think so? Probably. But heck, I was able to break out of the shell, to look at my history, my track record, and see that there was something not right in my life. If I could do it, anybody can. Yeah, it takes guts like you wouldn't believe... but I am keeping the door open because I think that Maynerd has the courage of a lion.

Laura

I like the idea of keeping the door open, I just don't see how shutting me out without a response is doing anything of the kind.

So, here's my final response:

Well group, I hardly know what to say. My sudden vilification is quite unnerving and perplexing. Hey look, I'm still me. I haven't changed or even done anything but try to help, and suddenly I'm the villain of the piece programmed for a search and destroy mission. And nobody disagrees with that depiction!

Wow! Talk about control and the power of spin...

Nothing has changed but Laura's perception. And that is so rooted in assumption, ignorance and prejudice as to be suspect in and of itself. Where did this opinion come from? An emotional reaction triggered by some very suspect astral visioning. Oh well...

I don't know why I bother, since Laura's mind is made up and that's good enough for everybody else. But here goes:

I have been initiated into five different traditions. I hold a 3rd degree in traditional Wicca, I am a Christian minister of a gnostic and non-demoninational variety, and I am one of the highest ranking initiates of anything that passes for the Golden Dawn, also I have the barakah of the founder of the Abu Al Hagagg Sufis of Luxor Egypt and I am part of the Medicine Buddha and Kalachakra lineage of Tibetan Buddhism as well as a terton or terma treasure holder, of the Nyngma-pa tradition.

I learned a great deal from all of them. I have been fortunate to meet several real adepts within living traditions who have corrected my mistakes and validated my attainments. For this, I am very grateful.

My personal practices at the moment are Tibetan Buddhist and the last 'ritual' I did was to read the Bardo for the father of a former client who made his transition last Monday.

As I said before, in the censored email to big group, any ritual or spiritual practice that is done without complete understanding and an STO framework is liable to attract unwanted 4d critters and worse. And believe me, that includes ouiji board channeling and mirror work. And of course, using "magick" to curtail anyone's free will, in any way, is very much STS black magic.

What is so funny about all this, is that I have been thrown out of many occult groups because of my insistence on some of the things concerning "ritual" that Laura espouses. I do think that most Wiccan and ritual magick workings are useless and worse than useless, and have said so. I called up an old friend and long time FWMS member and read her some of Laura's rants about the GD, Dee and rituals in general. She thought it was mine and wanted to know what group I was about to get thrown out of. When I told her that it was directed at me, and that yes I was going to get thrown out, we both had a good laugh.

So just to set the record straight, I am not a satanist, I do not do magick of a control oriented STS type, ever, and I have not been programmed to search out and destroy the Cs. Sort of feels like testifying at the anti-amercian hearings of McCarthy or facing the inquisition, doesn't it?

Anyway, there is the conference...

My contract with Zaca Lake Foundation reads: "Deposit is non-refundable 60 days prior to retreat." Sixty days was July 21. You guys canceled on August 5, barely giving even six weeks notice. Other folks involved with the conference started telling me about your disclaimer, and their discomfort concerning it, around the middle of July. I of course wasn't informed about the disclaimer, and you guys certainly didn't choose to drop out at that point, the reasonable thing to do if you felt that way about the conference and its sponsors. By the time I got back from Kid's camp, it was a situation. Still no word from Laura and Ark on backing out, so since a majority of the paid attendees were from the cassiopaea list, I stupidly tried to fix it by making the conference all Cassiopaea, withdrawing any support or sponsorship so as not to embarrass anyone's sensibilities, and even offered to spring for the plane tickets.

If you don't want to take advantage of the opportunity, and that's all it is, no nefarious plot, well that's fine. Free will of course. Since I am responsible for the conference, my name on the bottom line and all that, I will do what I can to get as much of the deposit returned as possible. And we will of course just eat the loss if we have to and return everyone's money. But it would be nice if everyone understood that this is totally your choice, your call from trashing the conference initially to not wanting to do it period because of paranoia.

As for the book, well, if we wanted to pull together on this we could still make our deadlines. But of course, in the face of your scrupulous paranoia what does the time, energy and effort already expended on the project matter? You guys didn't have to do anything, right? Just be demanding and incredibly naive about the process and the work involved, and then, when it is finally coming together, trash it and back out. Free will of course... But I wonder if you are ever going to take responsibility for the damage these Free Will choices inflict on others. Sometimes Service to Self takes some strange forms.

Here's a Sufi story to close out:

A sufi was walking through the suk of a small town and noticed a large group of people paying close attention to a man reading from a book. The sufi walked over and noticed that the book the man was reading from was upside down. "Well," the reader argued, "if you know how to read, you can read upside down." The group listening, having no knowledge of letters or reading themselves, agreed with the reader and expressed that they were quite happy with the story as read. The sufi, having no reply to such certainty, walked away.

Thanks for listening,

Maynerd

Sometime later, after this episode had been discussed among the QFG members, one of them, a Terri Burns wanted the other people present at the mirror session to write their impressions of what was happening. These were posted to the discussion group as follows:

From:        "Arkadiusz Jadczyk"  Date sent:   Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:19:57 -0400  Subject:     Re: Question for O***, Ark, and B***

 On 7 Aug 2001, at 12:13, Terri wrote:

> We have read Laura and Maynerd's account of a certain mirror session  >    in Florida.  O***, Ark, and B***, were't you there also?  What was  >    your take on that situation?

Terri,

Here are my impressions. I will present them not in any order.

1) Maynerd was very tense, as never before

2) He was acting like under some external imperative

3) He didn't see himself

4) He was forcibly, repeatedly trying to get from Laura   "where is the Ark?"

5) But he didn't dare to ask "Laura, tell me where is the Ark"   He was addressing his question to some "spirit" as     "Show Laura where is it!" in a commanding way.

6) Of course I knew that this is putting Laura in danger.   He didn't realize or didn't care.

7) He was unable to ask a simple question. He was trying forcibly  to perform a ritual. Nothing was coming. I could see Laura  suffering under this pressure.

8) I do not do it usually, but this time I had to interrupt his questioning, because I saw it plainly that leads nowhere,  that this Laura is physically suffering. I asked a simple   straightforward question about the Kabbalah tree, and  we got an instant answer. The key was to ask Laura  directly, not to command  via "Show Laura ... ".

9) It is significant to observe how the session has ended.  Something came from Maynerd that struck me like never  before. He asked about his "psychic luggage". Laura  started to describe what she is seeing. At some point  he suddenly interrupted: "Let's stop it and don't waste our  time any more." Or something similar. He was angry.  "Don't waste our time."   Notice, he ASKED for it. But could not bear what was  coming. Somehow Laura did not notice how rude he  was at that moment. I noticed it, and I was coming back  to this again and again for several days. Finally, after few  days, I took the tape and played this part to Laura. She  was surprised.

These are the main points that come to my mind.

Best, 

ark

From:        c***@... Date sent:   Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:56:31 EDT  Subject:     Re: [cass] Re: censorship and other issues

The following is a copy of my response to a Cass member who questioned me   privately about the "final" session with Maynerd and my impressions about the  evening.  Perhaps it will lend some illumination, both as to what this was all  about and the quiet tone of "off list" communication.....B*** -------------------

>>Good Morning (xxxx), ...sorry for the delay in my responses - I just   regained email access and have been going through the threads to get up to  speed.   I am responding privately for a reason which I will get into in a  minute.  

Laura has already heard some/most of this.  Let me preface everything by   saying my response may be slanted and this stems from some of the previous  attacks that have been directed against the group's efforts.  I have been  involved in ferreting out leaks, moles and thefts by the hundreds over the  years, primarily in the business world.  A generalized rule in doing this is to  bracket your attention.  

By bracketing, I mean you look first at the person most likely to have   created a breach AND you look first also at the person least likely to have  created a breach.  If both come up "clean", you move down the line to the second  most and least likely, etc. until you zero in on the offender.  The process  concentrates on access and potential, rather than "personal dislike" and allows  for a more objective method of elimination. 

With the (xxxx) and (xxxx) disruptions, the nature of attack as we know it,  seems to indicate that lesser interruptions are often a smokescreen for  something a little more subtle in operation behind the scene.  Having launched  that "ferret out the problem" mode, I naturally carried it a step further to the  extent that it was obvious that Maynerd filled the role of "least likely"  magnificantly.  

I am not picking on Maynerd and at the time, it was NOTHING personal.  I have  even cast myself into the role of fitting the "least likely" side of the balance  sheet.  I don't mean from a conscious intent to do damage to the effort, but  simply someone who is geographically convenient to the day to day efforts of  Laura & Ark and I realize that if 4th density wants to launch an attack, most of  us could be unwitting vehicles.  To this end, I have told Laura that she knows  my intent and if something I say or do appears to be at variance, holler at me  and make me aware of a possibly being cast in the role of a trojan horse.

Enough background on the situation, let me just add that like Laura, my   "wishful thinking" kicked into gear also as far as Maynerd is concerned.    Obviously the man is well-versed and intelligent and if that is the   kick-in-the-pants that Cass needs to really bring home the esoteric bacon, I  would be all for it.  The day of the session was my first meeting with Maynerd  in person.  I mentioned the above most/least process as eliminating the  "subjective" aspects when trying to ferret moles, well - the subjective aspect  kicked into high gear the whole time I was there, with only brief moments of  "wishful thinking" over-ride.  

(xxxx), you have been the recipient of comments by Maynerd that I was the   dross in the mix and that I was beseiged with attachments which hampered the  flow of things.  What the heck, I don't know, I am open to the possibility, but  at the same time, I am being as introspective as possible because I want to  contribute, not detract.  So during the afternoon and early evening, there was a  visible tension or barrier between the two of us. 

Now to the part you specifically inquired about.  The session started with  boardwork around 9pm as usual.  The "groove" on the board was pretty good and  there was little or no hesitation.  Almost immediately, the C's,  almost demanded that the session be stopped and mirror-work be commenced with  the enhancement of trance induction by Maynerd.  

It seemed to be a very out of character insistence coming from the board, but in  a burst of "wishful thinking" I thought that perhaps the communication which hit  some dead ends with Frank, was going to be more overt.  We took a short break  and rearranged the room to facilitate the mirror-work and trance.    Ark is the only person other than Laura who had a clear view of the mirror.  Maynerd whould have had some periferal visability and then (xxxx) and I were off  to the side on an angle.  The mirror work portion went evidently very well as  far as Laura's participation.  The participation by Maynerd was just simply  "wrong". 

Some 3-4 decades ago, I did some hypnosis work.  I am self-taught, NOT   schooled and probably didn't have a clue about what was really happening at the  time.  I am not talking about serious involvement, maybe 15-20 inductees and  perhaps a hundred or so self-inductions.  I was prepared to cast Maynerd in the  role of resident expert in these matters, (that ole wishful thinking thing  again).  HE WAS NOT.  The induction process was smooth enough, although fairly  standard with a resonant voice quality.  But I would venture to say that it was  Laura who was facilitating the induction on her end much more than being led or  guided by Maynerd.  

As the level deepened and Laura began her visualization(s), Maynerd became  almost paranoid, jerking her awareness around with poorly disguising attempts at  protection.  Now that is the role (a protector) of the inducer.  He is the  lifeline to the person in trance.  But Maynerds atempts at protection were not  in response to Laura's being in difficulty, they were in response to Maynerds  fears from moment to moment...and yes, the protection aspect seemed in  retrospect, to  be heavily dependant upon a a ritualistic foundation.

Then there reached a stage or depth sufficent for Laura to provide some   answers and insight, but Maynerd could not formulate a question in a manner  which would allow a response.  Here, we were watching Laura flounder, listening  to her reiterate over and over that the question must be asked in an STO manner  and that the answer would be forthcoming adn Maynerd simply could not grast the  concept, much less get it into words within that framework.  I was silently  screaming at him, even with my "beginners' knowledge of hypnosis to make  corrections and adjustments to his proceedure.  Ark was sitting next to me doing  much the same.  

I didn't want to jump in and risk degradation of the inductor/inductee   relationship, I suspect that Ark was quiet for a long time for much the same  reasons.  Finally Ark could not let things to on and interjected a presence into  the session.  Things smoothed out some and he handed "control" back to Maynerd. 

Maynerd still did not grok what had and was happening, but continued in the same  manner.  The culmination of events was when he asked Laura to "tell" the  physical/geographical location and identity of a buried energy source.  

As Laura has written afterwards, this was something which put her directly in  harm's way of any and all that oppose.  The fact that the location is yet  unknown (or unrevealed), is her lifeline and protection.  

It was not a comfortable session, I can give Maynerd the benefit of the doubt  and attribute it to his being unable to break out of the ritual of protection  and mumbo-jumbo he is schooled and acquainted with.  I can extend that benefit  of doubt to include the possibility that he was unwittingly being used.  I  cannot excuse the manner in which he conducted and participated in the session.

This is not a "sour grapes" reply and review of the session.  From a wishful  thinking standpoint, I wanted Maynerd's involvement, even if there was a  "friction" between us.  I wanted the conference to go ahead as planned and be  successful, if for no other reason, than it would have given me a perfect venue  to do some digital video of the conference and pro-bono video presentation work  to justify my spending several thousand dollars on computers and equipment to do  just that.   So much for wishful thinking. .....B***

From:        "O*** E***"  E***@... Date sent:   Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:40:50 +0200  Subject:     [cass] V and Mirror

Hi Group

OK, I will testify, although little will be added:

 The mirror session has been covered and I don't have anything substantial to  add. Maynerd was tense all along and specially annoyed when his baggage was  described, however he was drawn in by some curiosity, apparently, so it was a  while before he said: 'This is all funny, but we're wasting time here.'

Now using the mirror was not his idea, actually he was not eager at all, so if  the contact was affected by him then at least the use of the mirror which led to  the viewing later was not an artifact of his expectations.  Or if so, the effect  was not the expected one.

My principal misgivings regarding Maynerd had to do with the high  esteem/import he seemed to place on Crowley's Book of the Law, which is an  STS document if there ever was one.  He further indicated in conversation  that he considered Parson's and Hubbard's Babylon Working as an event of  high import in opening presently unfolding futures, which I also found odd. This  is not to say that whoever gave the Book of the Law was not as clever as filled  with hate but rather to ask if anybody had ever come to anything except harm  from association with same.

 Now Maynerd's magical track record and rituals and views were not exactly  held in secret, although precise details were scarce, except for the  Millennial Working and other Ophanic business which he discusses in some  detail on his site.  A work of learning and intellect, to be sure, but what for?   Suffice it to say that I considered that the information that was so openly  available had been considered.

In hindsight I had some fleeting questions about the contracts and  publishing business arrangements, but took it as a matter of course that  these would be regular, so I would not insert myself where not requested.

 I met Maynerd once and he certainly was fascinating to converse with,  erudite and clever and quick and with an air of a world traveler who had  seen everything.  Fine presentation, no question. OK, but we all have talked of  past glories and Maynerd has even written about these, so what's next?

 Regards  O***

Now, regarding all of the above, it is clear that the C's kept insisting on the mirror work so that I would be able to "see" Maynerd Most as he was. But, as I have written elsewhere, I was so persuaded by him, that it took days for the fog in my mind to lift so that I could begin to put ALL the pieces together. And, even then, I didn't want to believe it. So, at the point in time when Ark and I knew that we had to make some decisions and take a course of action that was, effectively, extremely distasteful to us - i.e. a challenge to Maynerd to try to come to some understanding, and if that was impossible, to simply part company, we had another session and inquired about the many puzzling aspects we were now beginning to see.

07-28-01

Q: Am I right to be so upset with Maynerd and his damned ritual magic stuff? A: Yes. Q: Am I right in my thinking that even if he is not conscious of it, he was sent as an agent to extract information from me? A: Yes. Q: Are the Cassiopaeans the ones that got in contact with him in his childhood and then when he was older [as he claims]? A: No. Q: Is he consciously working as an agent? A: No. [...] Q: Are we going to have future dealings with Maynerd? A: Looks bad. Q: Well, that's what I expected. Did the [hypnosis] work that Maynerd did with me - was that beneficial? A: OK Q: Do I still need more work done? A: Yes, 5 turns. Q: (A) By who? A: Ark. [...] Q: Where did that stuff about the "Percival 3" come from when Maynerd was here? A: Maynerd. Q: Is there really something hidden in the "Lair of Titus?" A: No. Q: Is there really going to be a 2010 Space war? A: No. Q: Are we really supposed to build some kind of thing to shield the earth in 2010? A: No. Q: Are we supposed to build some kind of technology for SOME reason? A: Yes. Later. Q: Can you tell us what our mission is? A: Keep learning. Q: It must be the C's! Only they would say that! [...] Well, what else can I ask to get a non-answer? A: Yes. 5 million. Q: 5 million questions I can ask to get a non-answer. I see. A: Voila! Joy! Now Learn! Q: (A) Was that a joke? (L) In other words, learning is fun? A: FUN! [...] Q: Are we supposed to move to France? A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Yes. Q: When will we move to France? A: 2003. [...] Q: Are we supposed to DO something in France? A: Yes. Q: What? A: More work. Q: Well, SWELL! [...] Q: Okay. Se we're going to move to France and do more work? A: U 5. Q: "U 5?!" Us and the three kids? A: 8835 million. Q: (A) What does that mean? (L) Hmm. Do you have any particular messages tonight? To warm up our connection? A: Hope and glory is coming close! Q: Anything else? A: Point the way to love in realms of light. Trust on it.

08-07-01 Q: What was behind ... what forces were behind Maynerd's action? Were they simply 4th density manipulation? A: Close. A: Was there any Satanic cult activity behind his activities? A: No. Q: Was there any ... was he, in fact, loaded with attachments, as I saw him in the viewing? A: Yes. Q: What was the source of these attachments? A: Rituals. Q: All right. What is the motivating factor behind his pushing for me to discover where the "grail" is buried? Was it simply his own desire to discover it? A: Yes. Q: Was he programmed to ask this question or to seek this? A: Yes. Q: What would have been the consequences if he had been able to squeeze the answer out of me? A: Death to you. Q: Sh ... was he even remotely aware of that possibility? A: Yes. Q: Apparently he wasn't sufficiently aware of it to really believe it, I would think. He thinks it's still a game. A: Yes. Q: He doesn't really understand how serious it is, that if you really get close to the secret, you die. A: Yes. Nor have you. Q: So that's why you guys don't answer a lot of questions? A: Yes. Q: Well, that's a good enough reason, I reckon - to keep us alive. (A to L) Who gave the orders ... (L) Who gave the orders to Maynerd? (A) Who is behind ... We know he was programmed. 4th density? (L) Let me ask this, since he was programmed, and that was the information he wanted to obtain, is it in fact true that 4th density STS either doesn't know or cannot access this secret? A: Yes. Q: And they are as anxious for it to be discovered ... in fact, they are the MOST anxious? A: Yes.

08-10-01

Q: I would like to ask if we can ask some questions about Maynerd Most and Alvin Wiley. A: Yes. Q: What are their intentions toward us? A: Bad. [...] Q: What are their plans? A: Sip pout gag. Q: (A) What? What do you ... (L) Sip? Pout? Gag? (A) What is sip? (L) Sip means to take a drink of something - sip something. Sip? Out? Gag? What are they going to sip? A: Knowledge. Q: Oh, they took a sip of knowledge - or they're going to take a sip of knowledge? A: Yes. Q: And this sip of knowledge is going to make them pout and gag? (A) What is pout? (L) To just ... (demonstrates). Who are they going to get this sip of knowledge from that is going to make them pout and gag? A: Lawyer. Q: In other words, they're going to find they do not have a leg to stand on? A: Yes. Q: Well, is Maynerd really connected to these Satanic people? A: Yes. Q: Is he connected to them close to the inner circle? A: No. Q: Is he really an initiated Sufi? A: No. Karma is coming. Q: Do we have anything to be concerned about where they are concerned? A: No. Q: Do we need to take any further actions like putting more information on the website, any other things than what we are currently doing or have already done? A: Yes. Q: What? A: Some more web info. Q: What, in specific, on the web? A: Files make him sick move to gag. Q: (L) In other words, I should put something else that would drive him to go to an attorney? Make him madder? A: Yes. Q: Should I post Alvin Wiley's letter from this morning? A: Yes. Q: (A) What's the point? (L) To make him go to an attorney? I don't know. What's the point - I don't get it? (A) What's the point of making them go to an attorney? (L) Well, an attorney may tell them that they are crossing dangerously close over the lines of being subject to a lawsuit themselves. A: Yes. Q: And I could also post Maynerd's article or the letter he wrote himself about slander and libel. A: Yes. Q: Well, I don't like the idea of doing any of those things. They make me feel yucky. So why are you telling me to do them? A: How do you think Maynerd will feel? Q: Well, he'll obviously feel more yucky that I will. I'll think about it and see how I feel in the morning. [...] Is all this just a con job to put themselves in a position to take people's money? A: In part. Q: Well, I just can't imagine what was going through that man's mind when he wrote that E-mail. I mean, that man is like ... I mean, I simply can't conceive of the type of consciousness that could occupy a physical body that could write that type of an E-mail. You know, it passes my understanding. A: STS love. Q: Service to Self love. Well, boy, he must be exploding on himself, or imploding or whatever. [...] Q: Are we going to be able to survive this flame war and attack from Maynerd and Alvin Wiley? A: No. Q: Why not? A: They will open the door to fame. Q: What?! HOW can that be possible? Huh? (A) From slandering us?! A: No, but have contacts who will be interested. Q: (A) They have ... who? (L) They have contacts that will be interested. That's weird. [...] (L) When, I saw this thing in the mirror, this gadget that shot out this beam or whatever, was that the true image of some kind of a time machine or time-transiting device, or was that something that Maynerd was projecting into my mind? A: Good catch. Q: Yeah, when I saw that picture on his webpage, I knew he'd been projecting that. He was sitting there focusing on it so I would see it. I told you, I showed it to you, didn't I? That was what I saw, that twisted up figure 8 thing. [laughter] I couldn't figure it out, what in the world it was. Is there an object buried in France I'm supposed to find? A: Yes. Q: Are we going to find it? A: Yes. Q: Can you tell us what year we'll be finding it. A: Two (tape ended and was blank for some time then picked back up with a segment of what sounded like a heartbeat) Q: What is the object? A: Holy grail. Q: What is the holy grail? [Tape noise gets very, very loud here. Planchette was spinning around and drawing figures.] Huh. I don't know if they were drawing something or just playing. Guess they're not going to answer that one. [...] Well, is Maynerd doing any of his "workings" to try to harm us? I mean, is he out there with his robes on, and drawing his pentagrams, and chanting, and calling to the Ophanic intelligences to slam lightning and thunder down upon our heads? A: Close. Q: Is he getting frustrated that it isn't working? A: Yes.

08-20-01

Q: How many times has Maynerd been abducted? [Laughter.] A: 136. [...] Q: (T) How recently has he been abducted? Yesterday? Last week? A: Hot popper. Q: (L) What is a "hot popper?" A: Recently. Q: In other words, he's still hot. He's been there so recently he's still popping.

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