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Another Hit for the Cassiopaeans - DNA
Nightmajic:
I'm just going to throw this out there as another possible interpretation on this 'truncated flow of liquid.' It comes from the chapter 'Hypnotism' in Beelzebub's Tales:
--- Quote ---"During the era of the Tikliamishian civilization, when learned beings from the country of Maralpleicie first discovered the possibility of such combinations in their common psyche and tried to put on another at will into that special state, they began to understand its use, and soon found a way of summoning it to the aid of the being-hanbledzoin, that cosmic substance whose essence the three-brained beings of contemporary civilization came close to understanding, and which they named animal magnetism." (p.568, missing paragraph. Found in the 'Guide and Index to All and Everything'; Traditional Studies Press)
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--- Quote ---"Since for the explanation of the given case and also perhaps for my following explanations, you must know more in detail concerning being-Hanbledzoin, I find it necessary before speaking further to inform you just now about this cosmic substance.
"Hanbledzoin is nothing else than the 'blood' of the Kesdjan body of the being; just as the cosmic substances called in totality blood serve for nourishing and renewing the planetary body of the being, so also Hanbledzoin serves in the same way for nourishing and perfecting the body Kesdjan." (p. 568)
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--- Quote ---"The substances of that part of the being-blood which is designed by Nature for serving the planetary body of the being, arise by means of the transformation of substances of that planet on which the given beings are formed and exist.
"But the substances which are designed for serving the Kesdjan body of the being, and the totality of which is called Hanbledzoin, are obtained from the transformation of elements of other planets and of the sun itself of that system, where the given three-brained being has the place of his arising and existence.
"Finally, that part of the being-blood which almost everywhere is called being-Hanbledzoin, and only on certain planets is called the 'sacred Aiesakhaldan,' and which part serves the highest part of the being called the soul, is formed from the direct emanations of our Most Holy Sun Absolute." (p.569)
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It seems to me, and I could be off-the-mark, that G is indicating that that substance from which the potency to "do" comes, is in fact, located within the blood of the physical body itself. Of course, he goes on to indicate methods by which this substance Hanbledzoin can be created. It's interesting to me that this substance, as postulated by Mesmer, is identified as being a magnetic 'fluid' which permeates the bodies of living beings. G seems to agree.
On page 570 of Beelzebub's Tales, G goes on to say that "for a fuller elucidation of our present theme it is now necessary to explain a little about the changed form of the actualization in the common presences of your favorites of the 'second-being'food' automatically taken in by them." It is through this 'second-being-food,' or air, that the Hanbledzoin is nourished and the Kesdjan (or astral) body is coated and perfected.
I wonder, could this be that 'truncated fluid' spoken of? I'm very interested to hear some replies on this perspective.
An interesting excerpt from G's early talks in Views from the Real World:
--- Quote ---"To undertake a voluntary aim, and to achieve it, gives magnetism and the ability to "do."
Question: What is magnetism?
Answer: Man has two substances in him, the substance of active elements of the physical body, and the substance made up of the active elements of astral matter. These two form a third substance by mixing. This mixed substance gathers in certain parts of a man and also forms an atmosphere around him, like the atmosphere surrounding a planet. Planetary atmospheres are continually gaining or losing substances because of other planets. Man is surrounded by other men, just as planets are surrounded by other planets. Within certain limits, when two atmospheres meet, and if the atmospheres are "sympathetic," a connection is made between them and lawful results occur. Something flows. The amount of atmosphere remains the same, but the quality changes. Man can control his atmosphere. It is like electricity, having positive and negative parts. One part can be increased and made to flow like a current. Everything has positive and negative electricity. In man, wishes and non-wishes may be positive and negative. Astral material always opposes physical material.
In ancient times priests were able to cure disease by blessing. Some priests had to lay their hands on the sick person. Some could cure at a short distance, some at a great distance. A "priest" was a man who had mixed substances and could cure others. A priest was a magnetizer. Sick persons have not enough mixed substances, not enough magnetism, not enough "life." This "mixed substance" can be seen if it is concentrated. An aura or halo was a real thing and can sometimes be seen at holy places or in churches. Mesmer rediscovered the use of this substance.
To be able to use this substance, you must first acquire it. It is the same with attention. It is gained only through conscious labor and intentional suffering, through doing small things voluntarily. Make some small aim your God, and you will be going toward acquiring magnetism. Like electricity, magnetism can be concentrated and made to flow. In a real group, a real answer could be given to this question." (p. 92-93)
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Xman:
--- Quote from: Nightmajic on December 11, 2008, 11:33:29 PM ---I'm just going to throw this out there as another possible interpretation on this 'truncated flow of liquid.' It comes from the chapter 'Hypnotism' in Beelzebub's Tales:
--- Quote ---"During the era of the Tikliamishian civilization, when learned beings from the country of Maralpleicie first discovered the possibility of such combinations in their common psyche and tried to put on another at will into that special state, they began to understand its use, and soon found a way of summoning it to the aid of the being-hanbledzoin, that cosmic substance whose essence the three-brained beings of contemporary civilization came close to understanding, and which they named animal magnetism." (p.568, missing paragraph. Found in the 'Guide and Index to All and Everything'; Traditional Studies Press)
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--- Quote ---"Since for the explanation of the given case and also perhaps for my following explanations, you must know more in detail concerning being-Hanbledzoin, I find it necessary before speaking further to inform you just now about this cosmic substance.
"Hanbledzoin is nothing else than the 'blood' of the Kesdjan body of the being; just as the cosmic substances called in totality blood serve for nourishing and renewing the planetary body of the being, so also Hanbledzoin serves in the same way for nourishing and perfecting the body Kesdjan." (p. 568)
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--- Quote ---"The substances of that part of the being-blood which is designed by Nature for serving the planetary body of the being, arise by means of the transformation of substances of that planet on which the given beings are formed and exist.
"But the substances which are designed for serving the Kesdjan body of the being, and the totality of which is called Hanbledzoin, are obtained from the transformation of elements of other planets and of the sun itself of that system, where the given three-brained being has the place of his arising and existence.
"Finally, that part of the being-blood which almost everywhere is called being-Hanbledzoin, and only on certain planets is called the 'sacred Aiesakhaldan,' and which part serves the highest part of the being called the soul, is formed from the direct emanations of our Most Holy Sun Absolute." (p.569)
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It seems to me, and I could be off-the-mark, that G is indicating that that substance from which the potency to "do" comes, is in fact, located within the blood of the physical body itself. Of course, he goes on to indicate methods by which this substance Hanbledzoin can be created. It's interesting to me that this substance, as postulated by Mesmer, is identified as being a magnetic 'fluid' which permeates the bodies of living beings. G seems to agree.
On page 570 of Beelzebub's Tales, G goes on to say that "for a fuller elucidation of our present theme it is now necessary to explain a little about the changed form of the actualization in the common presences of your favorites of the 'second-being'food' automatically taken in by them." It is through this 'second-being-food,' or air, that the Hanbledzoin is nourished and the Kesdjan (or astral) body is coated and perfected.
I wonder, could this be that 'truncated fluid' spoken of? I'm very interested to hear some replies on this perspective.
An interesting excerpt from G's early talks in Views from the Real World:
--- Quote ---"To undertake a voluntary aim, and to achieve it, gives magnetism and the ability to "do."
Question: What is magnetism?
Answer: Man has two substances in him, the substance of active elements of the physical body, and the substance made up of the active elements of astral matter. These two form a third substance by mixing. This mixed substance gathers in certain parts of a man and also forms an atmosphere around him, like the atmosphere surrounding a planet. Planetary atmospheres are continually gaining or losing substances because of other planets. Man is surrounded by other men, just as planets are surrounded by other planets. Within certain limits, when two atmospheres meet, and if the atmospheres are "sympathetic," a connection is made between them and lawful results occur. Something flows. The amount of atmosphere remains the same, but the quality changes. Man can control his atmosphere. It is like electricity, having positive and negative parts. One part can be increased and made to flow like a current. Everything has positive and negative electricity. In man, wishes and non-wishes may be positive and negative. Astral material always opposes physical material.
In ancient times priests were able to cure disease by blessing. Some priests had to lay their hands on the sick person. Some could cure at a short distance, some at a great distance. A "priest" was a man who had mixed substances and could cure others. A priest was a magnetizer. Sick persons have not enough mixed substances, not enough magnetism, not enough "life." This "mixed substance" can be seen if it is concentrated. An aura or halo was a real thing and can sometimes be seen at holy places or in churches. Mesmer rediscovered the use of this substance.
To be able to use this substance, you must first acquire it. It is the same with attention. It is gained only through conscious labor and intentional suffering, through doing small things voluntarily. Make some small aim your God, and you will be going toward acquiring magnetism. Like electricity, magnetism can be concentrated and made to flow. In a real group, a real answer could be given to this question." (p. 92-93)
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I always had trouble with much of G's work. I spent a few years really digging into it when I was younger but just became a myna bird of the information without much understanding of its true meaning.
That being said I cannot even say whether the being-hanbledzoin is animal magnetism, whether animal magnetism is a physical magnetism as in ferromagnetic or is more like a concept as in magnetic center of Boris Mouravieff, whether the 'blood of the Kesdjan body' is the 'blood of the astral body', whether 'part of the being-blood' is 'being-Hanbledzoin', whether any of this is the same thing as what Mesmer was talking about as you seem to understand it or if Mesmer was speaking about something else and it was just that many pieces seemed to overlap of two separate things.
I dunno.
In regards to 'truncated flow of liquid', from the sessions, I think it helps to read the surrounding content so as not to miss additional information that was given.
--- Quote from: Session Sep 23, 2000 ---Q: What does the rest of the DNA code for that is not coding for structural genes. What else can it be doing?
A: Truncated flow.
Q: Truncated flow of what?
A: Liquids.
Q: Liquids from where to where?
A: What is your sense?
Q: Well, what liquids?
A: Time for your input.
Q: Do some of these...
A: No. Not alright: we asked you a question!
Q: Okay. Truncated flow of liquids. I'm not even sure what that means. (A) Maybe something was flowing and something cut it off and stopped it and it cannot be developed. It means that something was cut. (L) Does truncated flow mean a flow of liquid that has been stopped?
A: Yes. Because of design alteration!
Q: Is this liquid that has been truncated a chemical transmitter?
A: Yes.
Q: And would this chemical transmitter, if it were allowed to flow, cause significant alterations in other segments of the DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: So, there is a segment of code that is in there, that is deliberately inserted, to truncate this flow of liquid, which is a chemical transmitter, or neuropeptide, which would unlock significant portions of our DNA?
A: Close Biogenetic engineering.
Q: I assume that this was truncated by the Lizzies and cohorts?
A: Close, but more likely Orion STS designers.
Q: Okay, can you tell us what this specific liquid or transmitter was truncated?
A: Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
Q: (A) Well, gold is one... (L) Acetylcholine?
A: No.
Q: (L) Water?
A: No.
Q: Saline?
A: Closer. It is a naturally bonding combination.
Q: (L) Well, I'll have to research it. The fact is, we've got 3 billion base pairs... do some of these so-called segments of "junk DNA," if they were activated, would they instruct chromosomal replication to take place with more than 23 pairs as a result?
A: In part.
Q: Is there anything we can do in terms of activities or...
A: No. Biogenetic engineering.
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It seems to me that the session is talking about a physical naturally occurring compound here on earth.
The C's even say close to 'Sodium Chloride' (Saline).
The biggest clue I think they provide in this session is:
Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
At one point I thought perhaps that 'low wave frequency charge' may be sound. I am not sure, but with all that has arisen recently over the last year or so in regards to FAR infrared I am thinking it may be FAR infrared. FAR infrared is indeed 'low wave frequency' as opposed to high frequency electromagnetic wave (ultraviolet, xray, gammaray). Not only is FAR infrared used in chlorophyll/photosynthesis, but we as warm blooded animals use FAR infrared apparently within the little power centers of each and every cell (mitochondria). So maybe this naturally bonding combination (compound) is a very efficient thermal conductor. And probably not just a thermal (infrared) conductor, but maybe a good conductor of FAR infrared, which would facilitate the mitochondrial work of all kinds, cellular growth and repair, transcription of proteins, antibodies, removal of toxins.
Anyway, I am not sure but the best thermal conductors elementally seem to be carbon (diamond), silver, gold, copper, aluminum, magnesium. As far as FAR infrared conductors I am not sure and it being a compound it may be an oxide or probably a salt of one of these. I know silver chloride is used as an infrared conductor (as a lens) in IR detection devices and silver chloride does indeed get blocked in us. It also might be magnesium chloride as I think it also has bands in the infrared and FAR infrared at which it is basically transparent ( passes the wavelengths through - conducts ).
So I am not sure, but the session itself seems to be talking about an actual chemical compound and that we are bio-genetically altered so that compound no longer flows freely. And if FAR infrared is indeed the light of life within us cellularly/mitochondrially, then some compound that is a conductor of FAR infrared would possibly make sense.
Nightmajic:
--- Quote from: Xman ---I always had trouble with much of G's work. I spent a few years really digging into it when I was younger but just became a myna bird of the information without much understanding of its true meaning.
That being said I cannot even say whether the being-hanbledzoin is animal magnetism, whether animal magnetism is a physical magnetism as in ferromagnetic or is more like a concept as in magnetic center of Boris Mouravieff, whether the 'blood of the Kesdjan body' is the 'blood of the astral body', whether 'part of the being-blood' is 'being-Hanbledzoin', whether any of this is the same thing as what Mesmer was talking about as you seem to understand it or if Mesmer was speaking about something else and it was just that many pieces seemed to overlap of two separate things.
I dunno.
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Well, neither do I! But I do find value in the struggle to understand just what was left us in the work of Beelzebub's Tales. I can't say I understand the "true meaning" of the information, but I do certainly have the experience of a 'substance' in the body which is strengthened by Work. I'm getting the sense this is not really a forum focused on a discussion of those experiences or the theories surrounding them -- which is fine. I'm in the midst of 'groking' as we speak the real focus of this forum (having, yes, read the guidelines).
Just what did G mean by 'implantation of the organ Kundabuffer'? Just what did the Cs mean by 'biogenetic engineering'?
--- Quote from: Xman ---In regards to 'truncated flow of liquid', from the sessions, I think it helps to read the surrounding content so as not to miss additional information that was given.
--- Quote from: Session Sep 23, 2000 ---Q: What does the rest of the DNA code for that is not coding for structural genes. What else can it be doing?
A: Truncated flow.
Q: Truncated flow of what?
A: Liquids.
Q: Liquids from where to where?
A: What is your sense?
Q: Well, what liquids?
A: Time for your input.
Q: Do some of these...
A: No. Not alright: we asked you a question!
Q: Okay. Truncated flow of liquids. I'm not even sure what that means. (A) Maybe something was flowing and something cut it off and stopped it and it cannot be developed. It means that something was cut. (L) Does truncated flow mean a flow of liquid that has been stopped?
A: Yes. Because of design alteration!
Q: Is this liquid that has been truncated a chemical transmitter?
A: Yes.
Q: And would this chemical transmitter, if it were allowed to flow, cause significant alterations in other segments of the DNA?
A: Yes.
Q: So, there is a segment of code that is in there, that is deliberately inserted, to truncate this flow of liquid, which is a chemical transmitter, or neuropeptide, which would unlock significant portions of our DNA?
A: Close Biogenetic engineering.
Q: I assume that this was truncated by the Lizzies and cohorts?
A: Close, but more likely Orion STS designers.
Q: Okay, can you tell us what this specific liquid or transmitter was truncated?
A: Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
Q: (A) Well, gold is one... (L) Acetylcholine?
A: No.
Q: (L) Water?
A: No.
Q: Saline?
A: Closer. It is a naturally bonding combination.
Q: (L) Well, I'll have to research it. The fact is, we've got 3 billion base pairs... do some of these so-called segments of "junk DNA," if they were activated, would they instruct chromosomal replication to take place with more than 23 pairs as a result?
A: In part.
Q: Is there anything we can do in terms of activities or...
A: No. Biogenetic engineering.
--- End quote ---
It seems to me that the session is talking about a physical naturally occurring compound here on earth.
The C's even say close to 'Sodium Chloride' (Saline).
The biggest clue I think they provide in this session is:
Think of the most efficient conductor of chemical compounds for low wave frequency charge.
At one point I thought perhaps that 'low wave frequency charge' may be sound. I am not sure, but with all that has arisen recently over the last year or so in regards to FAR infrared I am thinking it may be FAR infrared. FAR infrared is indeed 'low wave frequency' as opposed to high frequency electromagnetic wave (ultraviolet, xray, gammaray). Not only is FAR infrared used in chlorophyll/photosynthesis, but we as warm blooded animals use FAR infrared apparently within the little power centers of each and every cell (mitochondria). So maybe this naturally bonding combination (compound) is a very efficient thermal conductor. And probably not just a thermal (infrared) conductor, but maybe a good conductor of FAR infrared, which would facilitate the mitochondrial work of all kinds, cellular growth and repair, transcription of proteins, antibodies, removal of toxins.
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Very interesting! I'm learning about FIR now. If you have any specific pages you have found to be excellent resources, please let me know.
--- Quote from: Xman ---Anyway, I am not sure but the best thermal conductors elementally seem to be carbon (diamond), silver, gold, copper, aluminum, magnesium. As far as FAR infrared conductors I am not sure and it being a compound it may be an oxide or probably a salt of one of these. I know silver chloride is used as an infrared conductor (as a lens) in IR detection devices and silver chloride does indeed get blocked in us. It also might be magnesium chloride as I think it also has bands in the infrared and FAR infrared at which it is basically transparent ( passes the wavelengths through - conducts ).
So I am not sure, but the session itself seems to be talking about an actual chemical compound and that we are bio-genetically altered so that compound no longer flows freely. And if FAR infrared is indeed the light of life within us cellularly/mitochondrially, then some compound that is a conductor of FAR infrared would possibly make sense.
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Wow ... there's a lot here to ponder. Thanks for the reply, Xman.
Heimdallr:
--- Quote from: Nightmajic on December 12, 2008, 02:03:03 AM --- Just what did G mean by 'implantation of the organ Kundabuffer'? Just what did the Cs mean by 'biogenetic engineering'?
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You may want to spend a little time reading up on the forum or searching for various topics that interest you. A lot of stuff has been discussed already, and kundabuffer has been discussed both on the forum and in the various articles on cass.org.
Referring to the above question, I would say that they are both intertwined and they are meant to describe man's "fall" into 3D. Another way to understand it is to compare Gurdjieff's kundabuffer to Don Juan's Predator' Mind, both foreign installations designed to keep man trapped in sleep and illusions. The C's remark about biogenetic engineering clarifies how this was done.
I'll paste below one excerpt I found by using the forum search engine. It is your friend. ;)
--- Quote ---Gurdjieff's 'organ kundabuffer' approaches the theme from another angle. There, the organ is forcibly installed into man in order to generally anesthetize him against reality and see the insignificant as great and the great as insignificant. This event too is depicted as taking place at the very beginning of man's existence on Earth, in response to a cataclysmic situation. Again, we have radical shift of perception and cataclysm together.'
In Beelzebub's Tales we have the constant theme of vibrations being required of the Earth. When man would not produce the right quality consciously, nature shifted the circumstance to cater for accidental shocks which would provide the required amount of flashes of awareness, or 'higher hydrogens.' The predator feeds man problems and crises upon crisis. {Castaneda] 'Planetary influences arrange for wars and catastrophies simply to obtain required vibrations' [Gurdjieff] Man may also play his role consciously, at least in theory, and thus be free from these arbitrary influences and serve the universe in another manner, suggests Gurdjieff.
Man is born sane and spoiled by contemporary education, inculcated with the 'values' of ego, hypocrisy, self-calming, empty wiseacrings, vanity and self-love. [Gurdjieff] When man reaches adult age, only the fringe of the glowing coat of awareness is left, barely covering the toes. This fringe is the center of self-reflection, the only awareness left to man. [Castaneda]
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PepperFritz:
--- Quote from: Nightmajic on December 12, 2008, 02:03:03 AM ---I do certainly have the experience of a 'substance' in the body which is strengthened by Work.
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What "substance" are you referring to, and how do you believe it is "strengthened by Work"?
--- Quote from: Nightmajic on December 12, 2008, 02:03:03 AM ---I'm getting the sense this is not really a forum focused on a discussion of those experiences or the theories surrounding them....
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Can't comment on whether this is "a forum focused on a discussion of those experiences or the theories surrounding them" until you specify exactly what kind of experiences and theories you are referring to. Intentionally vague and cryptic comments are not very conducive to clear communication.
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