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Petit's Aurora and meteorites
Charles:
I have been pleasantly surprised to hear Jean-Pierre Petit speaking in last weeks podcasts. I have known about him since 15 years maybe. A French guy recommended me a book, which I still have at home and that is titled. "Les Ummites, ou, les extraterrestres qui sont deja parmi nous." It's a small world at times.
For some bizarre reason, this title got stuck in my mind for years, like a meme, but distorted in meaning and like this: "Les Ummites, ou comment une cellule devient cancereuse."
Needles to say that I have been reading a lot of those Ummite's letters when I found out that they were published on the internet. Absolutely bizarre. I can't wait to hear Petit's recent take on those letters. It's something that hasn't been cleared out for me.
And than there is also this
From the sott_podcast_43_20060401 :
--- Quote --- Aurora can be satellized, and it than follows a ballistic path, without any propulsion, during which observations can be made. But for the re-entry, you don�t need a shield, like on the shuttle, that has a blunt nose and has to withstand a tremendous temperature. The question that arises: �How does Aurora stand temperature at the nose?� There is a gadget. This MHD generator has special capacity to produce very high voltage because it works in what we call, very high (whole?) number conditions. So it produces very high electric field, and this electric field, is used to produce a discharge, a glow discharge and so in front of the machine you have a cushion of ionized gas that protects the leading edge from heating due to the shock waves. It produces sort of a cocoon around the plane and it becomes stealth because this glow discharge also absorbs radar waves.
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The thing that sits with me some week by now is this. If an artificially produced, very high voltage glow discharge can protect a plane from shock waves during re-entry, is it not possible than that certain meteorites are better protected than others from burning up by a similar glow discharge. Such would depend upon the voltage difference that they would carry in comparison with the earth's atmosphere, and maybe also upon the inherent capacity with which such high voltage can be stored within the rock or other material.
If such were to be true, than it would be more interesting to classify meteorites according to these parameters in stead of just 'bigness', no?
Any further ideas on this?
Guest:
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Charles wrote:
If such were to be true, than it would be more interesting to classify meteorites according to these parameters in stead of just 'bigness', no?
Any further ideas on this?
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There is evidence that comets and meteorites are electrically charged objects, of course, and the evidence supports the electric universe model.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/synopsis.htm
--- Quote ---Comets are electrically charged bodies moving on elliptical orbits through the Sun's electric field. This movement is the reason why comets discharge as they approach the Sun, producing visible tails.
Many comets are solid rocks with dry surfaces. The sharply defined features of comet nuclei make clear that they are not "dirty snowballs" sublimating in the Sun.
Due to the electric force, a comet can entrain a mass of hydrogen from the Sun greater than the mass of the comet's nucleus. The unexpected x-rays of a cometary discharge can reach 2 million degrees.
Cometary nuclei reveal deeply cratered surfaces due to electric arcing. Since comet nuclei are eroded electrically, they could not survive across eons of solar system history.
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So what determines the cometary charge capacity? Probably, like any other object the surface to volume ratio, material, inner geometry, size. Proximity to the Sun causes discharging of plasma in comets. The more elliptical the orbit, the closer the comet passes to the sun the greater, the plasma discharge.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm
--- Quote ---A comet is simply an electrical display and was recognized as such by scientists in the 19th century. So an 'asteroid' on a sufficiently elliptical orbit will do precisely what a comet does it will discharge electrically. What distinguishes the cometary 'asteroids', observed by the University of Hawaii astronomers, are the paths they follow, moving them through the radial electric field of the Sun to a greater extent than is typical of other bodies in the 'asteroid belt' (See chart above). Cometary effects may also be expected from an asteroid if it passes through the huge electric comet tail [called the magnetosphere] of a giant planet.
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Meteors and asteroids differ in size, and comets and asteroids according to the link above differ in orbit path geometries. A very interesting example of the electrical effects of a cometary impact is the Tunguska Event of 1908.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/ … guska2.htm
--- Quote ---The extraordinary power of the high-energy explosion above ground.
The most likely origin of the object that caused the Tunguska event is the short-period comet Encke, the acknowledged source of the Beta Taurid meteor shower. On June 30, the shower was at its peak. In the electric model of comets, the energy released when a comet fragment encounters the Earth is not limited by the mass and kinetic energy of the fragment, but includes the electrical energy due to the charge differential between it and the Earth. This stored electrical energy also accounts for the 'astonishing' explosion that occurred when the Deep Impact probe met up with Comet Tempel 1. Calculations of the mass and size of the Tunguska bolide, based solely on mechanical considerations, will be exaggerated. This, of course, has implications when searching for fragments that survived the fall.
Repeated testimony of strange sounds before the event.
In terms of the speed of sound in Earth's atmosphere, the reports of weird sounds in advance appear absurd. But they are entirely plausible as "electrophonic sounds" heard either before, or simultaneous with, the sighting of brilliant meteor fireballs up to 100km distant. Electrophonic sounds signify the direct conversion, by transduction, of very low frequency electromagnetic energy into audible sounds (through a medium that can be as simple as a gold tooth filling or a pair of glasses). Abundant reports of peculiar sounds in connection with meteors, auroras, earthquakes and even nuclear bomb tests are sufficient to substantiate the effect. The cause is most easily understood as a natural resonance of an extensive plasma discharge in the Earth's atmosphere (or underground in the case of earthquakes). In the case of an approaching comet, the incoming body is electrified with respect to the Earth.
The glowing of the sky before the event.
In the electric solar system, the planets and all comets have plasma sheaths that isolate them electrically from the solar plasma. When two plasma sheaths "touch", the two bodies "see" each other electrically for the first time. Comets have plasma sheaths that are millions of kilometers in diameter. So even at their high speed their electrical effect could be felt days in advance of a physical encounter. In such instances, the electrical effect upon the Earth may take the form of unusual auroral displays. The prior 'sky glows' associated with Tunguska could also be due to cometary fragments, lying along the comet's orbit in advance of the comet nucleus, entering the stratosphere and reflecting sunlight long after sunset. Of course, a simple 'asteroidal' explanation of Tunguska cannot address either this phenomenon, or any of the other advanced signs of the intruder's approach (noted below).
Reports of strange weather before the event.
In an electric solar system electric currents flowing between the solar plasma and the planets are the primary factors driving Earth's weather patterns. In fact, the most violent winds occur on planets most distant from the Sun, where solar heating is negligible. Ice-cold Neptune, the gas giant farthest from Earth, has 2,000 km/h winds! When seen in these terms, it becomes clear that an electrical disturbance might be evident in the form of unusual weather days before the arrival of a comet.
Reports of strange seismic activity before the event.
New evidence links earthquakes to the occurrence of "underground lightning." A minor electrical disturbance of the Earth, due to the intrusion of a charged body, could indeed trigger earthquakes, in the same way that electrical sunspot activity influences earthquakes.
Geomagnetic effects before the event.
Professor Weber of Kiel University observed unusual regular periodic deviations of the compass needle. This effect was repeated each evening from 27 June through 30 June 1908. The recordings looked like geomagnetic storms, usually associated with solar electrical activity. This time the approaching comet was the most likely source of the electrical disturbance. The duration of the storms indicates that comets are a copious source of electrons. That is, comets are highly negatively charged with respect to the inner solar system. Their influence can be vastly greater than mere gravitational and inertial considerations would suggest.
Global atmospheric pressure pulse.
The Earth's atmosphere forms the dielectric of a capacitor with the two "plates" of the capacitor being the Earth and the ionosphere. The comet's electrical disturbance will cause pressure pulses in the atmosphere before the comet arrives as well as upon arrival. It is noteworthy in this respect that a giant ionospheric disturbance accompanied the magnitude 9.3 Sumatra earthquake of 26 December 2004. The ionosphere moved up and down by about 40 km! And changes in the ionosphere have been registered 5 to 10 days before an earthquake.
Missing crater.
At a comet's closest approach, a plasma discharge takes place between the Earth and the comet. The comet is fragmented explosively by internal electrical stresses, and all of the fragments may be melted or vaporized in a plasma discharge so that no impact crater is formed. An interesting fact is that the Tunguska epicenter almost exactly coincides with the muzzle of a Triassic volcano. Volcanoes are the focus of electric discharge activity and may retain an electrical conductivity different from that of the surrounding crust. This fact can only accentuate the argument that the blast was electrical.
Absence of meteoric fragments.
If we had to rely on the fireball and air friction alone to heat the bolide or to break it apart, we should expect to find stony remnants. However, as noted above, most or all of the comet fragments will be melted and vaporized in the plasma discharge. Also, "ground zero" is the focus of the plasma discharge between the Earth and the comet. It is not the site of any impact and we should not expect to find cometary fragments there.
Instantaneous eruption of fire across hundreds of square kilometers.
The plasma discharge between the comet and the Earth would have had many strange effects in the atmosphere and at ground level unlike anything ever experienced by the inhabitants. In addition to fires started by radiation from the fireball, electrically ignited fires would have been started at the same instant over a wide area.
Frightful lightning and thunder in the midst of the firestorm.
Unusual lightning, such as St. Elmo's fire and ball lightning would have been generated at the Earth's surface. Lightning would have struck from a clear blue sky. (See addendum to this discussion below.)
Blast of heat along with a shock wave many kilometers away from the explosion.
Wherever the discharges touch down there will be sudden heating of the air and a blast. Touchdown points may be a considerable distance from the bolide's track and the explosion center.
Presence of microscopic glassy spherules over a large area.
The final result of the explosive fragmentation, melting and vaporization of the bolide will be a spray of glassy spherules beyond the point where the main plasma discharge and explosion took place. The creation of spherules by electric discharge and electrical fusing, a common effect of lightning, is now well demonstrated in the laboratory.
Almost 100 years after the event, the specialists are still debating whether the exploding object was a comet or an asteroid. Conventional proponents of the comet explanation note the presence of cometary material in the ground over a wide area. Proponents of the asteroid or meteor hypothesis say that a fragile comet would be destroyed too high in the atmosphere. The debate is entirely irrelevant from an electrical vantage point. Comets, asteroids, and meteors have the same origins and are formed in the same way. It is the contemporary mythology of comets that suggests they are fragile "icy dirtballs." An asteroid large enough to hold its charge while moving on a highly elliptical (comet-like orbit) through the Sun's electric field, would become a comet irrespective of its composition. In fact, we have an instance of this occurring when the asteroid Chiron, on a chaotic orbit between Saturn and Uranus, unexpectedly sported a tail and became classified as a comet.
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Charles:
Thank you EQ for further corroborating the idea with some available data. However, I was not having the idea in mind how an electrical charge could aid in the destruction of incoming comets as is hypothesised with the Tunguska explosion, and wherein additional energy is said to be provided by the electrical charge on top of the kinetic energy. In such case, tghe additional electrical energy must be enormous.
The passed years, I have seen dozens of falling stars (bigger ones). And here is the thing : they are very silent. Only recently, I saw one that came from zenith and fell towards the South. I saw it burning up, and only few seconds later I heard (close to infrasound) and felt (shaking of my body and of the house's roof) the burning up of that meteorite which was spread over more than one second. As the speed of sound is approximately 340 m/sec, that one must have been very close to my location. It is still possible that I have 'noticed' "electrophonic sounds" as you have just mentioned. But I don't were glasses, or a golden tooth or any other devices upon or in my body. At least, not that I am consciously aware of wink
But usually they are very quiet. And that is something I never understood. If they come in at speeds of tens of kilometers a second they'd make sonic booms every time (?), that is if they don't burn up 100 km above the earth's surface of course. Even the one I saw recently and that did make some deep rumbling sound did not create a sonic boom. Is it possible that the electric charge of the Tunguska explosion was of an even entirely different order of magnitude, and that usually, the electric charge doesn't aid in their destruction, but quite the contrary, that it provides a cushion that decreases or eliminates the shock waves, much like with the Aurora, or with the B2 as stated by JP Petit?
Since few years there is an increased frequency of Sonic Booms and there are several theories put forward to explain them. I think that any explanation that would point at a different quality of meteorites can be discarded. Such would result in a scattered pattern all over our globe, but this rise of sonic booms is primarily noticed in the US (also some in UK and Australia).
I know that the C's replied with '4D bleed through has many fun possibilities.' But still, could anything have changed in the atmosphere above the US, something to do with HAARP maybe, or chemtrails with Barium that would discharge incoming meteorites much faster so that their cushions would be stripped away, and thus are no longer silent?
Guest:
I don't know how much credence I place in the details here regarding the author's explanation of sacred sites and such, but here are three forum posts, but the same person, that may (or may not) shed some light on the matter:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=822
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=841
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1109
I believe they are in chronological order (of posting), and although not all may be directly relevant, but they do have a continuous theme. The last post is probably the most relevant.
Basically, one has to wonder what is the physical result of "4D bleedthrough" in terms of fields and forces, and how does that effect the Schumann resonance and surface/ionosphere potential of the Earth.
I would think regarding the issue of booms that charge does play a role here, and there may be a critical limit where charge induces a stealth effect on falling bodies, and a critical limit past that where it facilitates energy conversion to sound waves (but not sonic booms). It obviously stands to reason that sonic booms would occur with a complete stripping of charge from the falling or passing body as nothing would stand between the body and the atmosphere.
While the solar wind and terrestrial ionosphere are positively charged, solid bodies in the solar system such as rocky planets and asteroids are negatively charged on their surfaces. Do you think these bodies are targeted by HAARP-like microwave sources? Superheating them with microwaves might have such an effect, although I am not sure, and would have to research the subject a bit. Or perhaps passing through superheated atmospheric layers might generate premature discharge, since high intensity microwaves tend to generate bulges in the ionosphere to much higher altitudes. I don't think it's Barium, since chemtrails tend to be heavier than air and leave a residue on the ground after a while. Anything remaining in the atmosphere would circle the planet and the effect would be more generalized.
Charles:
--- Quote from: EsoQuest ---I don't know how much credence I place in the details here regarding the author's explanation of sacred sites and such, but here are three forum posts, but the same person, that may (or may not) shed some light on the matter:
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I agree. There is not much light going up here when I went to the sites referred to. Only pictures? And via the links provided, I've been led down paths that are ... hmm, rubbish maybe?
--- Quote from: EsoQuest ---I believe they are in chronological order (of posting), and although not all may be directly relevant, but they do have a continuous theme. The last post is probably the most relevant.
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It took me some time to see something about that latest post. But maybe there is something. If those pictures are truthful than it is kind of bizarre that those three Doppler radar images show identical (or very close to identical) geographical patterns all over the States. The gif-images are showing phenomena that were spread over time (April 27 2001, April 29 2002, September 10,11 2002). It seems as if something (very stationary) gets activated when there is an incoming, which seems to be the true "anomaly" within those patterns. I wonder whether there aren't any more recent views available.
I had this wild speculation going through my mind that it could be some scattered Holy Hand Grenades, hehe.
Of course it could also be something entirely different.
--- Quote from: EsoQuest ---I would think regarding the issue of booms that charge does play a role here, and there may be a critical limit where charge induces a stealth effect on falling bodies, and a critical limit past that where it facilitates energy conversion to sound waves (but not sonic booms). It obviously stands to reason that sonic booms would occur with a complete stripping of charge from the falling or passing body as nothing would stand between the body and the atmosphere.
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JP Petit's statement about the glow discharge "cushion" for sure has opened certain perspectives.
I agree on the Barium, it would make "sonic booms" a world wide phenomenon.
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