The Pentagon on 911... a cruise missile struck the building!

[Craig Ranke CIT]

Seems Lloyde was trying to basically tell you the truth in his off camera moments - this is much bigger than him and someone in his position has no clue who's behind it.

Actually part of his act from the start was to make him appeal to "conspiracy theorists".

That's why he openly questioned the physical damage in our 2006 interview and what that David Icke book was all about.

He didn't read that book.  If you notice he wasn't able to cite a single thing from it when I asked.

So no, I don't believe Lloyde was trying to tell the truth, I think he was trying to minimize his role by playing up his simple image and nice demeanor and the fact that he is a "small man" who just happened to "come across the highway" with something really big.  But what's clear is that the evidence proves this was not by chance.

Anyway I'm not deluding myself nor did I mention anything about "court" bringing him for questioning.

But I DO believe there are plenty of honest public servants even though the system and the dark powers who run it are corrupt.

And I DO believe that people can reach a point of critical mass and force accountability.

I wouldn't do what I do if I had no hope.

True it won't be easy and yes it will take a mass awakening but honestly, IF just IF we are able to permeate the dumbed down complacent consciousness of the general public then we just might stand a chance.

I think 9/11 is a golden opportunity because it was so sloppy, and we have so much evidence.  We're seeing  more and more cracks in the armor and I feel that exposing this crime could very well be the ticket that finally sparks enough outrage to inspire real action.

Call me idealistic or naive, but I will forever remain hopeful and will forever fight for justice.

[anart]

It's not about 'forever fighting for justice' - or not 'forever fighting for justice'.  It's about seeing things as they are.  Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have all publicly committed war crimes, according to international law - it's all there in the public eye, Cheney has even publicly admitted to it and  - nothing.  No indictment, no prosecution - and this is for something that isn't even contested!

Your comment that you think Lloyde is 'minimizing his role' and not just saying, "look I got paid to play a part and the folks behind this are a lot bigger than me" doesn't make much sense.  Lloyde isn't behind the false flag attacks on 9/11 - if he were we would not know his name.

He played a role, he got caught, his wife works for the FBI, for god's sake, and he's going to play that role or play dumb until the day he dies.  If he were a real threat of revealing anything, he'd be dead already.

Again, I'm not discounting the work you've done - I'm just pointing out that you truly seem to have no idea at what stage of decomposition the US really is.  If any sort of accountability is ever to happen, it will not come from US citizens - it won't - it will come from the foreign government holding the satellite images of exactly what happened that day - and even that is becoming less likely as pathological players are put in positions of power around the globe.

I don't have a 'what to do' for you, I'm just pointing out the current reality of the situation and I do think exposing the truth of the matter (to the extent we can know it at this point) is important, simply to send out a signal that may wake enough people up so that they can act in a way they would not have acted (in the future) if they did not know what complete lies they are fed every single day.  That is important - but accountability for who was really responsible for 9/11?  Not likely at all - if it were, you'd not have gotten this far yourself.

With all that said, I'd love to be wrong.

[Craig Ranke CIT]

You may be right but if I simply accepted your characterization as 100% fact I would probably give up.

Lloyde's exact level of involvement isn't really that important but it's clear that he is the first known individual directly implicated with hard evidence as part of the physical execution of the crime. 

That is significant.

I will admit that I approach this from the mind of a crime investigator, not a conspiracy theorist.

I have no doubt the deception is infinitely deeper but I am working to chip away at it with the resources and abilities that I have.

[anart]

That makes sense and I get where you're coming from.  And - ultimately - you giving up would be a great loss, since what you're doing is important - so continuing on as determinedly as you have been certainly makes sense!  Revealing what we can of the truth is invaluable, as long as the truth is all that matters, and we'll see where it leads - we might all end up being surprised.

You may be right but if I simply accepted your characterization as 100% fact I would probably give up.

Lloyde's exact level of involvement isn't really that important but it's clear that he is the first known individual directly implicated with hard evidence as part of the physical execution of the crime. 

That is significant.

I will admit that I approach this from the mind of a crime investigator, not a conspiracy theorist.

I have no doubt the deception is infinitely deeper but I am working to chip away at it with the resources and abilities that I have.

[Craig Ranke CIT]

 Revealing what we can of the truth is invaluable, as long as the truth is all that matters, and we'll see where it leads - we might all end up being surprised.

Well said!

[the Passenger]

Ok,

Je suis français, quelqu'un peut il mayday ?   

Mon anglais et trop mauvais, mais comme une image vaut milles mots ...

It's not a theory !!

Un missile tomawak avec la livrée América Airlines chargé dans un B-52 :





voilà, qui semble un petit peu ... étrange.

God Bless America, my home, sweet home ...

the Passenger

[mkrnhr]

Passenger,
Peux-tu en dire plus sur la source de ces photos? N'oublie pas qu'il est tres facile de faire des photo-montage.
Can you tell more about the source of these pictures? Do no t forget that it is very easy to work numerical photos.

[the Passenger]

S@lut mkrnhr,

certe c'est très facile, seulement pourquoi faire un tel document truqué ?

Je n'ai jamais eu besoin de ce genre de photos pour être convaincu de ce qui a frapper le pentagonne, il y a déjà beaucoups de clichés de la zone des dégats qui contredisent la version officielle de manière impertinente.

Il faut analyser et comprendre ce que l'on perçoit d'une photos ou vidéo.

Dans l'absolu, je ne connait pas la source directe mais tu peut jeter un "oeil" sur :

_http://theorionconspiracy.com/  [link deactivated by moderator]

Quelques documents vraiments intérréssant à voir ...

[translated by moderator]

Certainly it is very easy, only why would someone make such a faked document?

I never needed this type of photo to be convinced of what hit the Pentagon. There are a lot of photos of the strike zone that contradict the official version in an impertinent way.

We must analyze and understand what we perceive in a photo or video.

I don't know the direct source of the photos, but you can take a look on:

_http://theorionconspiracy.com/

Several documents that are interesting to look at.

[Galahad]

There are many reasons why someone would want to fake a photo such as this. If people began using the photo as proof, then it could be shown to be a fake to discredit the hypothesis -- specially if the hypothesis was correct.

You say we need to analyze photos and videos. Well, to my thinking, part of that analysis includes finding out where they come from, who produced them, how were they made public.

When you post a link to a site and tell us that there are some interesting documents, it is courteous to tell us which documents you find interesting and why. It is part of the etiquette of this site.

Also, even if you English is not too good, please make an effort to post here in English. If yo have questions on how to phrase something, you can post them in our French section.

[Gandalf]

S@lut mkrnhr,

certe c'est très facile, seulement pourquoi faire un tel document truqué ?

Je n'ai jamais eu besoin de ce genre de photos pour être convaincu de ce qui a frapper le pentagonne, il y a déjà beaucoups de clichés de la zone des dégats qui contredisent la version officielle de manière impertinente.

Il faut analyser et comprendre ce que l'on perçoit d'une photos ou vidéo.

Dans l'absolu, je ne connait pas la source directe mais tu peut jeter un "oeil" sur :

_http://theorionconspiracy.com/  [link deactivated by moderator]

Quelques documents vraiments intérréssant à voir ...

Bonjour the passenger,

Ce forum est un forum anglais et tous les échanges se font en anglais. Cependant nous comprenons que certains membres ont de la difficulté à s'exprimer en anglais et c'est pourquoi nous avons crée une section spéciale ou les membres peuvent demander de l'aide pour formuler leurs questions ou réponses.

Je t'invite également à lire le message d'accueil de cette section.

Voilà le lien: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13247.0


Hi the passenger,

This forum is an english forum and all the discussions are in english. However, we do understand that cetains members have some difficulties to write in english so a special section of this forum has been created where members can ask for help in formulating their questions or answers.

I also invite you to read the welcome post of that section.

Here's the link: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13247.0

[Approaching Infinity]

The link posted is for a short film called The Orion Conspiracy. All the "documents" are PR, i.e. fictional. Interesting stuff, some of it, but not "real".

[c.a.]

There was never any doubt that a Boeing 757 airliner, Length, 155 ft 3 in (47.32 m), Wingspan, 124 ft 10 in (38.05 m), Tail height, 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m), Wheelbase 11.6 ft (3.54 m), Empty Weight, 127,520 lb, (57,840 kg), and Maximum takeoff weight (MTOW), 255,000 lb (115,680 kg), is going to leave a foot print, if it should come down hard.

The Original Pentagon Strike Flash Video
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/214988-The-Original-Pentagon-Strike-Flash-Video

CNN reporter at Pentagon 9/11 No plane ? Missle?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPxI4XUx2LE

Sept. 21, 2011
LEAKED 9/11 ANNIVERSARY PENTAGON CRUISE MISSILE FOOTAGE WITH ANALYSIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1PVqXbo7U&feature=player_embedded

[Pashalis]

Sept. 21, 2011
LEAKED 9/11 ANNIVERSARY PENTAGON CRUISE MISSILE FOOTAGE WITH ANALYSIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1PVqXbo7U&feature=player_embedded

interesting, what is the orginal source of that video ?
is there a better quality footage out there (better resolution)?

[c.a.]

Sept. 21, 2011
LEAKED 9/11 ANNIVERSARY PENTAGON CRUISE MISSILE FOOTAGE WITH ANALYSIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1PVqXbo7U&feature=player_embedded

interesting, what is the orginal source of that video ?
is there a better quality footage out there (better resolution)?

Hard to say Pashalisas, it is called a leaked item, ( by who, and for what proposes ) but looking at the vantage point that it was recorded at, it appears that it maybe ( and i say maybe) it was possibly being recorded by the perpetrators, or documented, ( but that is just a wild hunch, or worse speculation with no way too account for that being true ).   

It seems to be from very high vantage point, or altitude that does not seem equal to the surround, building height's

I saw another video similar to this one, but different, indicating the same information, but i was soon deleted when i went back to look for it, the week of 9/11.

Go figure, like the C's said, they want revolution, and this would fit the bill to help promote that agenda, if the American public knew the "Truth".

"Even a worm will turn."

Everybody will revolt if driven too far. Even the lowest of people, or animals, will revolt and hit back at some stage. Even a worm, the simplest of animals, will defend itself.

[Kaigen]

Sept. 21, 2011
LEAKED 9/11 ANNIVERSARY PENTAGON CRUISE MISSILE FOOTAGE WITH ANALYSIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1PVqXbo7U&feature=player_embedded

interesting, what is the orginal source of that video ?
is there a better quality footage out there (better resolution)?

Seams like there is no better resolution of this video, but the original channel on You tube is "dodgydodds productions"

http://www.youtube.com/user/dodgydodds

They have also facebook side _http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002911717257#!/profile.php?id=100002911717257
called "Dodgydodds Pro"

Sorry it looks to me like another dis info artist, people who inspiring him among others is Alex Jones. So there is probably the source of that video.