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j0da:
Dear forum members,

I am reading Laura's "Amazing Grace" and when I got to Lama Sing channeling part (and Laura's lifetime of being a teacher of teachers) a sudden question popped up in my mind. The question regarding past lives experiences and obvious lack of memory of those.

What is the purpose of not remembering past lives, if this forgetfullness is INTENDED in the universe mechanics? If it's benevolent  mechanizm, what is that for? Or...if it is a BUG in the system, how is it implemented, how is it done to the souls, that they forget? Or, another possibility, if souls CHOOSE to forget, isn't it...well, not entirely reasonable? Or..am I not in position to grok our 5th density reasoning?

From what I've read in Cass material - transfer to 5th density is invulnerable to intrusion, a soul is protected from any hijack attempts. In 5th density one makes a review of last incarnation/previous incarnations and intends another incarnation to carry on the learning process. But..if one is being born and DOESN'T REMEMBER previous lessons, or his PURPOSE, isn't it a terrible waste? Isn't one subjected to learning the very same things again and again? Running to and fro, in pain and desperation, lost, disoriented...If all is lessons, why forget lessons already learned?

Here is the short excerpt from the work of free zone scientology researcher, Ken Ogger:


--- Quote from: Ken Ogger ---I have seen and heard of times when some young child originated
some snippet from a past life in Scientology.  I know of one
case where a toddler saw somebody else's clear bracelet and
distintly said "my number is ...." and it was looked up and
confirmed as having been the clear number of one of only
a handful of clears who had died at by that time (this was
years ago).
And yet the few reborn Scientology OTs do not have a consecutive
conscious recall of their previous lifetime.  They have vague
recalls and slight snippets of things which are in a few cases
just barely good enough to be confirmed.  If these people had
come through with solid recall and consciousness, the orgs
would be promoting it, at least among the upper level public.
They act like they have been mindwiped.  They seem to come
through better than most, but they are a shadow of their
former selves and coming back up from scratch.
--- End quote ---
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small explanations:
*clear - supposedly a state of being considered by scios a breaking point in self-discovery, after that point very advanced work follows
*OT - state of being, higher than 'clear'
*org - abbreviation for organization
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Similar is the case with buddists - it can be read in many places how they look for the new incarnation of Dalai Lama, or any other master. Very often those persons have some snippets of information, which allow to confirm their previous existence and identity, and usually they are far more better prepared for spiritual quest than other individuals with no past life recall, yet, they still have to read all those huge scriptures, learn skills and gain knowledge they obviously had in their former life. So, even if they have some techniques to navigate through the Bardo (as described in Tibetan Book of the Dead,  and I presume most developed individuals of buddist denomination know these techniques and are able to use them) they still are subjected to huge loss of already gained knowledge.

Why is that? What is all this loss of information previously acquired intended for? I know the scios explanation, the Between Life Area, implants, and so on - their stance is that forgetfullness is just another part of the control system, prison warders just can't allow humans to remember, for they would be prisoners no more.  But..I'm very curious for other explanations. It's one of the most precious things I've learned here - never to stop asking. Even if I have some working theory, I'm always ready to dump previous considerations, if new information explains universe mechanics in more consistent, more workable way.

So, again - WHY AND HOW DO WE FORGET?

anart:
Just a quick thought, since I obviously have no definitive answers on questions such as these - what lessons could possibly be learned from being incarnated here if, upon incarnation, you remembered all the answers to all the upcoming tests?  It seems to me that in order to truly gain anything from the experiences we have while inhabiting these odd little human bodies, we have to come in with little to no conscious recollection of what has transpired before.  Whether this is by design of those 'needing' to keep us here asleep, or by design of the architechs of the school (us), this gives us a chance to learn - to really learn - based on our own growing understanding of who and what we are. I do believe that each of us carries volumes of information inside that we use as reference material, as it were, for our current lives.  We don't consciously remember the details of why we understand certain concepts or dynamics but we have built, throughout our lifetimes of experience, a type of subconscious groundwork for understanding all that we see/feel/think/experience - a groundwork that we are very likely constantly referencing - the extent to which we are able to utilize this reference material probably depends on whether or not we are able to understand/communicate with out real 'I' - making the Work absolutely integral to whether or not we will pass the tests that appear this time around.  Perhaps the necessity for so many lifetimes (and so many tests) comes from the fact that one human lifetime could never give you the opportunity to learn all there is to learn about being human.  Also, could the conscious recollection of a past life really just be conscious recollection of the personality of the past life, and, perhaps not really a recollection of the aspect of oneself that is eternal?  I don't really know, but it is an interesting question.  Ultimately, if you come here to live a life without conscious recollection of your past lives, then you get a chance to 'be' based on accumulated soul learning, as opposed to accumulated personalities and the baggage they carry.  That sounds overly simplified, so I'm sure that it is, but maybe my point isn't lost in the simplicity.

Chris:
I, for sure, don't have the explanation, but it's certainly interesting to work our hypothesises, I'll throw some ideas.


If we would be to remember everything, what would be the use of changing-recycling bodies?  Does not remembering enables us to have an other view, to be in variable circumstances with less prejudice?  It could also act as a regulator, since remembering could give a general direction, whatever negative or positive, that would be unstable, (think about a parabolic curve of development / time, which gets an almost infinite slope after a while, compared to cycles).  Maybe I'm stretching a bit...

If we suppose that the universe is the result of the facing of creation/destruction forces, would remembering everything mean a complete win of one side?

If there is no time, and that we are, in this incarnation, one of many parts of a larger "soul, being", then, it's normal not to remember past lifes because there is no past, except in our illusion.  Maybe then, we don't "remember" future lives because, in our conditioning in linear time, it could be filtered by the brain as impossible or irrelevant, since we rarely hear about future life memory :).  This hypothesis would still allow to catch glimpses of other lives through the "hub", the main being that lives all these lives at once, if we could connect to it...  

The C's often refer to cycles, that everything is cyclical, short to long lenght.  And by looking at nature, it seems so.  Therefore, if cycles are present everywhere, including us; by nature, without any interference (constructive or destructive), the next cycle should be the same as the last one, which seems quite probable.  Maybe it's there that our conscience, and the influence of others, may act to change the attributes or our cycle.



j0da writes:

What is the purpose of not remembering past lives, if this forgetfullness is INTENDED in the universe mechanics? If it's benevolent  mechanizm, what is that for? Or...if it is a BUG in the system, how is it implemented, how is it done to the souls, that they forget? Or, another possibility, if souls CHOOSE to forget, isn't it...well, not entirely reasonable? Or..am I not in position to grok our 5th density reasoning?



In my opinion, BUGs don't exist, there is just misinterpretation due to lack of knowledge.  Laws of nature can't be broken, just misunderstood.


Anyway, just a few ideas, feel free to comment, add.

Johnno:
This assumes all re-incarnations occur in linear time. There may be future incarnations already lived and past incarnations not yet experienced! Added to this there, is a big asumption there IS reincarnation.

From my personal perspective, what use would it be to remember past lives, when I can't remember what I had for lunch ten days ago?
There's a smattering of lessons learnt in my brief time here but on the whole a lot of data is forgotten.

There again I have a *feeling* that activities where one is naturally gifted..... may be a result of skills and lessons from either

1) previous lifetimes
2) previous playing of the film
3) a connection to the "higher self"/real I/big man etc

which play out in the real world via our subconscious.

Similarly rare instances of deja-vu may just be a case of "remembering the future."

This is from THE VEIL OF FORGETFULNESS in the Ra channelling sessino carried out by Elkins, Rueckert and McCarty, which offers another perspective.


--- Quote ---THE VEIL OF FORGETFULNESS

THE VEIL MAKES YOU FORGET YOUR TRUE IDENTITY AND PURPOSE
 
RA:  This is the only place of forgetting. It is necessary for the 3rd density entity to forget what it really is so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex. (B1, 193)

RA: The veiling process is a space/time phenomenon; it is not present in the metaphysical realm (time/space). (B4, 73)

RA: Without the veil the mind was not caught in your illusory time. (B4, 94)

QUESTION:   Why must an entity come into an incarnation and lose conscious memory of what he wants to do? Why can't he accomplish the same thing in between incarnations when the entity is aware of what he wants to do? (B2, 132)

RA:  WERE THERE NO POTENTIALS FOR MISUNDERSTANDING..., THERE WOULD BE NO EXPERIENCE. (B3, 24)


QUESTION: The first change made for the extension of free will was to make the communication between the conscious mind and unconscious mind relatively unavailable one to the other during the incarnation. Is this correct? (B4, 40)

RA: We would perhaps rather term the condition as relatively more mystery-filled than relatively unavailable. (B4, 41)

B.  THE VEIL SPLITS THE MIND INTO CONSCIOUS AND UNCONSCIOUS PARTS

QUESTION: The idea was then to create some type of veil between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind. Is this correct? (B4, 41)

RA: This is correct.

QUESTION: It was probably the design of the logos to allow the conscious mind greater freedom under the first distortion by partitioning it from the unconscious mind which had a greater communication with the total mind, therefore allowing for the birth of "uneducated" portions of consciousness. Is this correct? (B4, 41)

RA: This is roughly correct. (B4, 41)
--- End quote ---

j0da:
Anart and Chris, thanks for interesting answers!


--- Quote from: Anart ---Ultimately, if you come here to live a life without conscious recollection of your past lives, then you get a chance to 'be' based on accumulated soul learning, as opposed to accumulated personalities and the baggage they carry.
--- End quote ---
I like that formulation, because it takes into consideration the attachment to identity. If I understand it correctly, some...let's say James Smith upon incarnating without past life recall has the opportunity to suffer enough to be prompted to look for real answers, look really inside him and find some real answer to the question 'who am I?', instead of clinging to identity of James Smith, dragging his ego for eons, which by some time would have grown to enormous proportions.

But, on the other hand, we don't know what possible tasks or trials would the universe prepare for an individual with smooth past life recall. I don't think, that reality would run short of surprises for such a being :) And, of course, I don't see the reason why would such an individual be restricted from honest search for truth. Is death and forgetfullness the only method of making one to drop his miserable and worthless pursuits and start stiving for a worthy goal of awareness?

I remember reading somewhere that not remembering past lives has something to do with responsibility. When we perceive vast lack of this trait among fellow humans, to the extent that they bury deep within their misdeeds in this lifetime and seem not to remember them, how could we expect them remembering even worse things done in previous lives? So maybe the lack of responsibility and being unable to confront what terrible things we have done to others/ourselves is one of the causes of forgetfullness? But, it still doesn't explain the cases of highly advanced individuals (like buddist masters for example), who don't have smooth past life recall.


--- Quote from: Chris ---If we suppose that the universe is the result of the facing of creation/destruction forces, would remembering everything mean a complete win of one side?
--- End quote ---
I don't think so. If we can imagine evil person and good person, both having full past time recall, we can suspect that their interaction is brought to higher level, as they would be both more powerfull. The interaction of crative and destructive force would gain in intensity, but I don't see any reason for complete win of one side only due to their perfect memory.

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