Thoughts regarding 4d STS

[anart]

anart,

I don't think it's accurate to say that 5D is 'not deemed STS' - 5D is a completely different realm, utilized 'between' incarnations, so to my understanding, it is all encompassing, which means it necessarily includes STS.  I think that you might be equating 5D with the experience in other densities and I don't think that's applicable since it's an entirely different 'mode', as it were.

yes, i see what you're saying.
5th is utilized by all 1-4th in between incarnations, so, naturally, every type of being would be utilizing it.

yet we do know that 4th is the last density for the full manifestation of STS.

what do you think happens then to a strongly polarized STS entity when it utilizes 5th ?
how does the mere utilizing of 5th exclude the full manifestation of STS ?

that's the part i seem not to be able to wrap my brain around..

I think you can't wrap your brain around it because you are thinking of it linearly, as if 5th is 'above' 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th - it's not - it just 'is' 5th.  It's not necessarily a linear thing, so linear thinking is going to block your understanding of it.

[transientP]

anart,

i understand.
that allows my understanding of "between incarnations" to be much more fluid and dynamic.

thanks !

[bozadi]

Other interesting references to 5D in the sessions:

June 3, 1995:

Q: (L) ...what, exactly, is a chakra?
A: An energy field that merges density one, two, three or four with five.

Q: (T) A focus point that merges densities to fifth density contemplation level?
A: Close.

Q: (T) What purpose do we merge to the contemplation level through the chakras?
A: You are all connected with level five on a short wave cycle, reference text.


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November 9, 1994

Q: (L) What is this thing we call hypnosis?
A: The 2nd step to open consciousness union with level 5.

These also indicate I think that 5D has a profound centrality and definiteness in terms one's individual existence.

A point that merges the subject of 4D STS with 5D is the contemplation experiences of 4D STS, of course. Let's take Lizzies as an example. This is something I really wonder about. How are the 5D experiences of Lizzies like? Lizzies are 4D strict STS beings. When they disincarnate and go to 5D for contemplation, how is it like and what are the possible differences between the contemplation experiences and conditions of Lizzies and those of 4D STO beings?

I have really difficulty imagining that 4D STS and 4D STO beings have their contemplations side by side or in face to face awareness of each other! 5D must have many levels in itself. There are most probably different levels for the contemplation experiences of 1D, 2D, 3D and 4D beings. But when it comes to 4D STO and 4D STS, it is somewhat weird to try to magine their situation in 5D. Especially, try to imagine the contemplation experiences of Lizard beings. So they are probably still strictly STS but now they know that they need to stop and think about their progressional situations. Most of us must have read something about the afterlife experiences of terran human beings. But now, how about Lizzies? Do they, just like us, need to contact with 6D beings as guides? Ra says that the higher selves of Lizzies are also, very understandably, 6D STO beings. So do specific higher selves and other general 6D STO beings help the contemplation experiences of strict 4D STS beings? How does this be? Do Lizzies become more a bit more docile against them? Or are there some "higher STS guides" that help them? Sorry for so many questions, I can even put much more like these. But I think you understand what I generally wonder about in these questions. What do you think? Is not this worthwhile to ask and think?

[SeekinTruth]

Being connected on short wave cycle with 5thD implies that half our existence is physical (in a physical body -- incarnated -- paraphysical for 4thD) and half in purely ethereal existence, right?

Also, there's the possibility that 4th Density STS could sincerely ask for guidance from 6th Density when they're contemplating their life plans in 5thD? We are STS and the C's help us when sincerely asked. I don't know, just wondering.

[transientP]

bozadi,

what anart has pointed out is that linear concepts are inadequat for grasping realms that are outside of time.

i was also thinking about the concept of fifth in a linear sense, and that's why i "couldn't get it".

her quote;

I think you can't wrap your brain around it because you are thinking of it linearly, as if 5th is 'above' 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th - it's not - it just 'is' 5th.  It's not necessarily a linear thing, so linear thinking is going to block your understanding of it.

if you allow yourself to view 5th in non-linear fashions, things can become much more clear.

this has also helped me to grasp 4th a little bit better. time-space is simply much more flexible. i.e. "variability of physicality".

there is a plane in which all of the contemplations occur (5th), but that plane is OUTSIDE of space time, and so viewing it as part of a linear progression "through" densities just doesn't work.

[Graalsword]

Speculating a bit more, another thing that occurs to me, is that there must be some kind of 5D STS beings/thought forms/energies/or "something" and that either they are inactive as it was already said or some of them might be related to some of those cases of demonic possession? Such entities would seek to gather (and enslave) souls from lower densities to acquire power and energy or whatever aim it has.

Another possibility is that at the 5th density soul (those who graduated from 4D STO), don't need to recycle but they choose to go back often to physical densities to teach and help others which would at the same time help them graduate to total ethereal life in 6D. Whereas 5D STS wouldn't do that as they are not interested in helping others at all remaining inactive or doing what I wrote above.

[domwatts23]

What an interesting phrase...get your head 'around'

[dannybananny]

One interesting thing about the 5D is that "some part of your soul" remains in the 5D when you reincarnate to the 3D (There were several instances that this fact was given in the sessions, I will try to find them).

Not just in 5D, but in every other density if there is no time but only now.

yet we do know that 4th is the last density for the full manifestation of STS.

what do you think happens then to a strongly polarized STS entity when it utilizes 5th ?
how does the mere utilizing of 5th exclude the full manifestation of STS ?

There is a difference between polarity and full manifestation. Being on 5 D has higher polarity then on 4d but it doesn t mean it has full manifestation, and how can it if we take the C's statement that there's no matter on 5D which is I think connected with it because matter can give some selfish experiences and feelings that are not available in spirit, like sex, etc... But it must have to be connected also with collectivity on 4D because you can t fully manifest STS if there are not other beings you can command, have pleasure with it, etc... This is why I think 4D doesn t wants to go to spirit on 5D because it losses full manifestation which is connected to matter and collective hierarchy, and that s why they try to extend their lives and create new bodies and hybrids to escape inevitable because they can "hear" the call of Black hole calling them. Demons are 5D and they are like said lone wolfs that prey 3D and 2D for life force, and about question of 5D STO and STS, there could be different astral planes there like there are here on 3D.

Whereas 5D STS wouldn't do that as they are not interested in helping others at all remaining inactive or doing what I wrote above.

Ra said they can incarnate in 3D but the consequence is loss of knowledge they had in 5D. They do it because they feel the pressure of Black Hole I think, but the risk is also of losing polarity.

So do specific higher selves and other general 6D STO beings help the contemplation experiences of strict 4D STS beings? How does this be? Do Lizzies become more a bit more docile against them? Or are there some "higher STS guides" that help them? Sorry for so many questions, I can even put much more like these. But I think you understand what I generally wonder about in these questions. What do you think? Is not this worthwhile to ask and think?

I think there s no help, they don t learn nothing, just go through life experiences, there s no 6D STS higher self, only thoughts, so it would sound logical if we can apply it here. It isn t they want to learn anything creative and if there is teaching by STS being on 5D then it isn t STS, STS is opposite of STO so on 5D if the being tries to go to STO path there is help, but if it tries to go to STS pat it is all alone, it gets what it gives - nothing, it isn t logical to have any help because it is selfless.

[Denis]

While I must admit that I don't know anything (experience wise) about higher densities and 4d STS beings- for the time being, that is- and I am not and will not claim that they are a fantasy, I would advise everyone here to take all this info with a grain of salt. Remember, suspicion is the precipice of enlightenment.

Now, what I do know is that every action has an equal and opposite reaction (what goes around comes around, what you give is what you get & so on & so forth), so for every bad deed there are repercussions and my choice is to help others who need (within the limits of my ability of course) help and I am the one who needs help and guidance on my journey as well, because I can't do this alone (no man is an island). I guess this is why I registered here, cos I have recognized respectful and honest two-way communication between members of this network/forum- this kind of positive and well-meaning interaction is very inspiring to me.

Always be yourself along the way, living through the spirit of your dreams.

Thank you for taking your precious time to read this.

P.S. Before anyone accuses me that I am giving a lecture here of how one should think I must say that this is certainly not my intention. I am writing this not only addressing you as readers, but myself as well- to remind myself what is truly important in life.

Cheers! 

[bozadi]

One interesting thing about the 5D is that "some part of your soul" remains in the 5D when you reincarnate to the 3D (There were several instances that this fact was given in the sessions, I will try to find them).

Not just in 5D, but in every other density if there is no time but only now.

But there is time. Time does not exist only as we 3D STS Terran humanity generally understand it. Existence of different density levels is of time, of the great clock; God when in 2D illusion, God when in 3D illusion, etc. Real time must be about curricular progression, I think. But Universe does not seem to like too harsh compartmentalizations. The great balance of Universe enables the experience or interactions of different times (past and future) of existence. I think this is especially true for STO beings.