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Mr. Premise:
Here is a picture of U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert switching from a small hybrid he drove to a gas station publicity event in to his usual big fat SUV just a couple of blocks from the publicity event:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060427/480/dcpm10904272019

rs:
Even worse, it was a hydrogen powered car.  Now I have nothing against hydrogen, it is a fine element, it is just that there is no natural source for it, so the whole idea of a hydrogen powered vehicle is a big giant red herring.

The way you make hydrogen is either take fossile fuels (Um, isn't that what we were supposed to get away from...) and refine it into Hydrogen by wasting the energy stored in the carbon bonds.

Or, you can take energy from some other mystical place (like maybe your local "eco-friendly nucular plant") and electrolyse water into hydrogen and oxygen.

So he gets out of a car that uses hydrocarbons in an inefficient way and gets into a car that uses hydrocarbons in an inefficient way.

It is a distinction without a difference...

Chris:
But the point is to produce hydrogen so far away that you don't know, don't care; polluting like hell there, but only "sub-human savages" live there anyway.  You then make money by bringing it here, which then justifies higher energy costs (being green isn't free you know), then congratulate yourself because now, you are using pollution free cars!  Look, only water gets out!  Isn't it a proof for you!  A nice example of how technology improves your everyday life!

After that, if you feel like it when some green hyppie talks again about pollution, you may point as responsible and impose sanctions to the country producing the hydrogen because it pollutes too much.  Those savages (or terrorists, call them as you please) never respect our nice little earth and the environment...

(salespitch tone) As you can see, everybody wins from using pollution-free hydrogen!


Anyway, as for the picture, it shows that in politics, it's PR all the way.  RS, you're right, there's another layer of deception there, hydrogen in itself is a bs solution, but it shuts up some naive groups.

rs:
I know!  The Sun has lots of hydrogen.  We will build a fleet of space ships to harvest hydrogen from the sun and bring it back to earth.

But won't the space ships melt, your naive perspective asks?  Why but of course not, we will do the harvesting at night...

:)

Mr. Premise:
Or we could go there in the Winter!


--- Quote from: rs ---I know!  The Sun has lots of hydrogen.  We will build a fleet of space ships to harvest hydrogen from the sun and bring it back to earth.

But won't the space ships melt, your naive perspective asks?  Why but of course not, we will do the harvesting at night...

:)
--- End quote ---

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