Iodine and Potassium Iodide

Christine said:
Je vais suivre vos conseilles et arrêter 1 semaine et voir ce que ça donne.

That sounds like a good idea.

The concentration you were using, lugol 12% 3 drops, was too high for beginners and/or if the toxic load is high. You might need to dilute your lugol until it becomes a 2%-5% and do only one single drop of that.

You can burn your tongue if you use a high concentration of lugol as well.

When there is troubleshooting, it is best to try lugol on alternative days instead of 5 consecutive days. That gives time to detox in between doses.
 
Is anyone taking their iodine with salt water in the morning? I know some people take the two apart from each other but I've been taking mine together. Are there any negatives to doing this?
 
Hi, I've been encouraged to post about my situation, especially my health situation. As you can see I don't post much, or anywhere else on the Internet.

About me: I've been following and reading most of Lauras books and her work since 2001. I participated in the Paleo gathering in 2010, I was the Swedish guy with a ponytail, for those who were there.

Ok, I don't know where to start. Everybody wants good health, so do I. But that hasn't been the case with me, despite all my efforts the last 30 years.

My health chronology: (You can skip this if you want and go to 2014 and the reason for my post)

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I was born with some breathing problems, horseshoe shaped heart, jugular vein entrapment and some other stuff.
0-20: When I was 2 years old I had volvulus, the year after mom had to send me away to a specialist since I had some lung problems that would never go away (was away for 4-5 months, no memory of that), from then up to 10 I had stomach problems, they called it chronic gastric catarrh. When I was 10 they had to remove my burst appendix, that was painful! After that my back/neck och muscles/joint problems started. I had some child diseases, but seldom having a cold or anything, but I had the "flu" when no one else had it. At 18 I had an inflamed spinal tap, couldn't sit for a few weeks. Got Sun eczema all over my chest in Greece at 19.

I did a lot of different sports, but had to quit after a wile due to muscle/joint problems. Around 20 I started to be interested in health, diet etc. Been educating myself in different therapies and reading and testing different things. Tried vegan 2-3 years and I felt great, but boy I missed hotdogs!

20-47: During these years I was never so sick I couldn't work (well, I'm also stubborn when it comes to work) or anything, but I always had problems, but it started when I was around 23, I had my first burnout. I was like a zombie for 3 months, I did work of course, but slept 16 hours per day, one day it just disappeared. Had strange blisters in my face, not acne, doctors said it looked like Impetigo, but it wasn't he said, had those for 20 years every 2-3 years. Got some serious "Impetigo" in Peru at 30, and 4 ticks in Sweden. since I didn't had any Lyme rash I thought I was immune! After a few days I thought my kidneys was going to explode, it went away after 1-2 months.

After 30 the "episodes" started, I didn't notice that then, but looking back I can see it now. They are always a little bit different, but they are getting more frequent, more severe and longer.

The last 5-6 years I’ve started to do some serious research and take notice of all my health issues (probably forgotten half of them) and problems when I started to go in therapy and work with personal stuff, trying to understand the greater picture.
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2014. Hell began. Just finished our huge house project, been working for 8 months, 12 hours a day. Then one day something snapped in my back.

During the first week I slept with my clothes on and one time I fainted due to the pain. The pain subsided but after a couple of weeks my wife had to drive me to the emergency twice because extreme stiffness and pain started to spread all over, couldn’t breath.

So, first I thought that this will go away like before within a few months, but it hasn’t.

After that I’ve been in bed and eating codeine, valium and paracetamol, and been trying a couple of other meds that didn’t help, been seeing 8-9 doctors. First time ever for everything. Lost 10 kg of muscles, and I was lean before. I have so many symptoms that I match CFS/FMS/Lyme/AFS/Neuropathy etc etc. I feel like a hypochondriac. Been seriously considering suicide, had a scalpel beside my bed during 2 years just to have a way out.

Here is the reason for my post:

I am lost and exhausted. I’ve been trying to so many diets (been eating Paleo more or less for the last 10 years.), supplements, therapies etc for the last 30 years, especially the last 10 years, but despite all the things I’ve done my ”episodes” just gets more frequent, more severe and longer. That last 2-3 years I’ve been most of the time in bed and only barely manage to do basic things. Can’t work, no social life and so on.

I’ve done my best to follow the Autoimmune thread and the Iodine thread, and I have been in contact with Gaby a year ago. I was 2 weeks on the AB protocol (no reaction at all) when the Iodine session came, so I switched. I seem to tolerate Iodine quite well (I’ve done some before but not this one) since I reached AB strength within 4-6 weeks and kept going for 5 months, pulsating 5/2 or 7/2. The only herx was some pimples in my neck and behind my ears, nothing else. I stopped due to money issues and to see what it was like without it.

In december 2015 and met a new doctor who told me, after I told my story, that I have neuropathy. I read about it and it can be triggered by physical trauma and/or a dormant infection. At the same time I finally got to do a MRI that I have been asking for for 2 years and it showed that I had 2 herniated discs, L1/L2 and L4/L5 (had a little accident). Ok, that could make sense, but probably not the whole story. I also did some research about why I was kept 2 weeks in the hospital after being born due to breathing problems, strange heart shape etc, today they would call it diaphragmic herniation. I also came across an article about children being born with a weak or more or less chronically inflamed pancreas, it fit my stomach problems during my childhood.

Anyway, at the same time I got a recommendation to a doctor who is a specialist in chronic pain (who also said I have fine fiber neuropathy) who went to the US in the 70s and his teacher was the one who came up with method called ”blistering”, she treated John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson who both suffered from chronic pain. Then the method faded away when Big Pharma started their opiode campaign.

So, the first doctor put me on Gabapentin and the other one started treating me (local anesthetic and Saroten to put me in deep sleep), Saroten (25-50 mg) helped me feel like I really had been sleeping for the first time in 2 years.

I was feeling some sort of hope, then things started to get worse again. So here I am. Running out of time, energy, money, and hope.

I’m not looking for pity, or even compassion, I just want to get well.

Best regards

Martin
 
Gaby said:
Christine said:
Je vais suivre vos conseilles et arrêter 1 semaine et voir ce que ça donne.

That sounds like a good idea.

The concentration you were using, lugol 12% 3 drops, was too high for beginners and/or if the toxic load is high. You might need to dilute your lugol until it becomes a 2%-5% and do only one single drop of that.

You can burn your tongue if you use a high concentration of lugol as well.

When there is troubleshooting, it is best to try lugol on alternative days instead of 5 consecutive days. That gives time to detox in between doses.


Je pense avoir une charge toxique haute.
J’ai fait enlever mes amalgames il y a un peu plus 15 ans et le dentiste n’avait pris aucune précaution.
En étant enfant, quand ma mère casser un thermomètre, je ramassais le mercure que je mettais sur ma main pour sentir le poids de ce liquide et surtout le mettre en mille petites billes et le rassembler en une seul, ça qui m’intrigué, ensuite je le gardais dans une boite, c’étais mon jouet magique… Eh oui ! Un jouet magique empoisonné + l’aluminium des vaccins…
Après la pause d’une semaine je ferai en alternative.
Merci Gaby, hlat, Lilou et Menrva !

I think I have a high toxic load.
I did take my fillings there's a little more 15 years and the dentist had taken no precautions. As a child, when my mother breaking a thermometer, I was picking up mercury that I put out my hand to feel the weight of the liquid and especially to thousand small balls and collect it into a single, it intrigued me that, then I kept it in a box, it was my magic toy ... yes! A magical toy poisoned + aluminum vaccines ...
After a break of one week I will make alternative.
Thank you Gaby, hlat, Lilou et Menrva !
 
Vince Black said:
Is anyone taking their iodine with salt water in the morning? I know some people take the two apart from each other but I've been taking mine together. Are there any negatives to doing this?

This was discussed much earlier in the thread. The consensus was that the iodine should be taken separately from the salt water and not mixed together. The salt is taken so that any bromine that is displaced by iodine, will then attach to the chloride in the salt, and be excreted from the body. Mixing them may cause the iodine to simply be excreted.
 
worldbridger said:
I am lost and exhausted. I’ve been trying to so many diets (been eating Paleo more or less for the last 10 years.), supplements, therapies etc for the last 30 years, especially the last 10 years, but despite all the things I’ve done my ”episodes” just gets more frequent, more severe and longer. That last 2-3 years I’ve been most of the time in bed and only barely manage to do basic things. Can’t work, no social life and so on.

I’ve done my best to follow the Autoimmune thread and the Iodine thread, and I have been in contact with Gaby a year ago. I was 2 weeks on the AB protocol (no reaction at all) when the Iodine session came, so I switched. I seem to tolerate Iodine quite well (I’ve done some before but not this one) since I reached AB strength within 4-6 weeks and kept going for 5 months, pulsating 5/2 or 7/2. The only herx was some pimples in my neck and behind my ears, nothing else. I stopped due to money issues and to see what it was like without it.

In december 2015 and met a new doctor who told me, after I told my story, that I have neuropathy. I read about it and it can be triggered by physical trauma and/or a dormant infection. At the same time I finally got to do a MRI that I have been asking for for 2 years and it showed that I had 2 herniated discs, L1/L2 and L4/L5 (had a little accident). Ok, that could make sense, but probably not the whole story. I also did some research about why I was kept 2 weeks in the hospital after being born due to breathing problems, strange heart shape etc, today they would call it diaphragmic herniation. I also came across an article about children being born with a weak or more or less chronically inflamed pancreas, it fit my stomach problems during my childhood.

Anyway, at the same time I got a recommendation to a doctor who is a specialist in chronic pain (who also said I have fine fiber neuropathy) who went to the US in the 70s and his teacher was the one who came up with method called ”blistering”, she treated John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson who both suffered from chronic pain. Then the method faded away when Big Pharma started their opiode campaign.

So, the first doctor put me on Gabapentin and the other one started treating me (local anesthetic and Saroten to put me in deep sleep), Saroten (25-50 mg) helped me feel like I really had been sleeping for the first time in 2 years.

I was feeling some sort of hope, then things started to get worse again. So here I am. Running out of time, energy, money, and hope.

I’m not looking for pity, or even compassion, I just want to get well.

Best regards

Martin

Sorry to hear what you are going through Martin.
Gaby will probably have some good advice to add.

What comes to mind as the first priority would be 1) pain relief 2) reducing inflammation 3) healing the herniated discs.
Are you having daily broth? Chicken broth will be the best for rapid joint healing. It should also help with pain relief.
Cutting out anything that causes inflammation would be helpful, so drop eggs if you eat them, as well as any nuts/seeds (including coconut)/grains. These are the usual culprits.
For pain relief, hot baths with epsom salts, FIR saunas and cold baths should help.
Things for nerve repair/anxiety (sunflower lecithin and lions mane) will probably also be helpful, but optional if money is an issue.

Two other crucial things to consider are keeping all weight off your spine (staying laid down - with proper lumbar support, or using crutches with both arms to support 90% of your weight if you have to move) if things aren't healing, and you have likely learned to amplify the pain (which triggers further inflammation):
RedFox said:
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How your brain can heal itself
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And, crucially, to work hard at their own care. "We have been habituated to a way of thinking," notes Doidge, which derives from what he calls the military metaphor of medicine, "the idea that the patient is merely the passive battleground where the two antagonists, the doctor and the disease, fight it out. The patient's job is to endure until the doctor comes up with something, or, these days, to become involved in a fundraising event that will send money to researchers so they or the drug companies can come up with the answer." But the plastic brain, capable of so much, still needs the help of mind and body to realize its possibilities.

Consider Dr. Michael Moskowitz, who knows pain both professionally and intimately. The co-operator of Bay Area Medical Associates in Sausalito, Calif., Moskowitz is a star in the treatment of pain, the man who sets the exams in pain medicine for aspiring American doctors. His clinic treats intractable cases, patients who have tried everything for their agony—all known drugs, nerve blocks, acupuncture—without result. "We are where people come to die with their pain," he told Doidge. By 2007, 13 years after a waterskiing accident, it looked like Moskowitz would be one of them. The acute pain from his neck injury had morphed into permanent, and growing, chronic pain.

It did so via the same mechanisms that create that transformation in anyone. "Chronic pain is plasticity gone wild," Doidge says. The injury to Moskowitz's neck had also affected his body's pain system, specifically the neurons in the brain associated with the neck area, causing them to fire repeated false alarms long after the neck had healed. What happened next illustrates core laws of neuroplasticity. Neurons that fire together, wire together: the more Moskowitz's pain signals flared, the better and quicker they became at it. Use it or lose it: the fight for brain territory is competitive. The more Moskowitz favoured his neck because of the pain, the less the neurons involved with it had to do, and the more vulnerable they become to hijacking by nearby areas, including the pain sensors now working overtime. Moskowitz was caught in a vicious circle. His pain, 3/10 on the standard scale at the best of times, and spiking frequently to 8/10, was only getting worse. "Plasticity is a blessing when you're listening to classical music and developing an appreciation for it," Doidge wryly notes, "but it's a curse when you are reinforcing pain."

As his quality of life inexorably eroded, Moskowitz sat down to read 15,000 pages of cutting-edge neurological research, seeking a way to make plasticity work for him. Moskowitz concentrated on two areas of the brain among the dozen that do at least some pain processing, the posterior cingulate and the posterior parietal lobe, areas whose primary purpose is to deal with visual information.

He knew already that when a brain area is processing pain it uses about five per cent of the neurons in the area, but the reinforcement involved in chronic pain means about 15 to 20 per cent of the neurons become involved. By concentrating on an image of his brain—an image in which it changed from being lit up by pain activity to being calm and pain-free—Moskowitz thought he could quiet the original pain receptors and force the hijacked neurons back to their day jobs as visual processors.

It required relentless dedication at first, a conscious response to every twinge. In three weeks, Moskowitz thought he detected slight improvement, enough to spur him on; by six weeks the pain that had spread to his back was gone; within a year he was almost always pain-free everywhere.
He had turned the vicious circle virtuous. "Relentlessness was the most important factor, absolutely," Doidge agrees. "As a psychiatrist, I know that if you reframe a symptom attack as an opportunity, if instead of becoming crestfallen and pulling back, you treat every pain, anxiety or inhibition—reframe it as your moment—that's the route to altering that circuitry. That's what Moskowitz did. He didn't let a single twinge of pain go by."

Intense dedication is a hallmark of those who, all on their own, accomplish large-scale change in their brains. John Pepper, a South African now in his late seventies, was diagnosed in his thirties with the incurable, chronic, progressive neurodegenerative disease known as Parkinson's. By all odds he should be immobile, if not dead, by now, but Pepper has fought his symptoms to a standstill by vigorous exercise carried out with ferocious determination and conscientious attention to detail. "Even as his unconscious ability to walk unravelled," Doidge explains, "Pepper realized that if he analyzed how he walked and used his conscious mind to guide him, he could still do it. So he used a different part of his brain, the frontal lobes, and—like a child learning to walk—thought himself into efficient walking."

Pepper's case has fascinated everyone who has encountered it, partly because of his admirable bloody-mindedness, and partly for the way it demonstrates the importance, in recalibrating brain activity, of walking, the king of exercise. "It's our evolutionary history at work," Doidge argues. "When do animals do a lot a walking? When the environment they are in is being swarmed by predators or falls short of food. Moving to a new territory means entering a place where they have to do a lot of learning. When the brain takes note of a lot of walking, it and the body together secrete growth factors which put the brain into a super-plastic state, primed to learn."

People with Parkinson's have six times the dementia rate of those who do not, and Pepper is reaching what are the danger years for anyone, yet his mind is sharp. That, together with his mode of exercise and the first-the-right-heel-then-the-left-knee precision with which he pursues it, raise a question about Alzheimer's, a disease where both exercise and conscientiousness are proven factors in delaying onset. Is Alzheimer's a disease of plasticity, or rather of its absence? Doidge is cautious in response. "There are so many ways of looking at Alzheimer's. Most researchers analyze it chemically, because of the proteins involved, in hopes of finding alleviating drugs, but to look at Alzheimer's that way is to put it under the microscope at very high power—it is more holistic to think of an Alzheimer's brain as one that is losing plasticity."

Whether walking battles the onset of dementia through its link to plasticity or by its more general health benefits, it's one of the most potent anti-dementia forces known. "Now we have the Cardiff study looking at the British men over 30 years and it shows that if you did five things, including walking at least three kilometres a day," Doidge says, "the risk of dementia falls a staggering 60 per cent. If any medication did that, it would be the most talked-about drug in history."

Not that drugs have any role in the story Doidge tells. Moskowitz, who has switched the goal of his clinic from pain management to pain eradication, recognizes that he himself (and the likes of Pepper) is an outlier set apart by his iron determination. Not all his patients can follow him down his own relentless road. Even so, Moskowitz does not always seek to aid them with drug therapy—instead devoting considerable effort to weaning them from painkillers—but with touch, sound and vibration. It's a pattern Doidge sees everywhere. "Almost all the success stories involve a combination of mind and energy."
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So if chronic pain can be learned, and unlearned[..]

Comfrey compresses will probably help with healing too.
 
Lilou said:
Vince Black said:
Is anyone taking their iodine with salt water in the morning? I know some people take the two apart from each other but I've been taking mine together. Are there any negatives to doing this?

This was discussed much earlier in the thread. The consensus was that the iodine should be taken separately from the salt water and not mixed together. The salt is taken so that any bromine that is displaced by iodine, will then attach to the chloride in the salt, and be excreted from the body. Mixing them may cause the iodine to simply be excreted.


Thanks Lilou, I'll start separating them. Do you think an hour separation would suffice? Are people generally taking the selenium with the iodine?
 
worldbridger said:
I am lost and exhausted. I’ve been trying to so many diets (been eating Paleo more or less for the last 10 years.), supplements, therapies etc for the last 30 years, especially the last 10 years, but despite all the things I’ve done my ”episodes” just gets more frequent, more severe and longer. That last 2-3 years I’ve been most of the time in bed and only barely manage to do basic things. Can’t work, no social life and so on.

I’ve done my best to follow the Autoimmune thread and the Iodine thread, and I have been in contact with Gaby a year ago. I was 2 weeks on the AB protocol (no reaction at all) when the Iodine session came, so I switched. I seem to tolerate Iodine quite well (I’ve done some before but not this one) since I reached AB strength within 4-6 weeks and kept going for 5 months, pulsating 5/2 or 7/2. The only herx was some pimples in my neck and behind my ears, nothing else. I stopped due to money issues and to see what it was like without it.

I'm also sorry to hear about your story worldbridger and I can imagine that it can be despairing when nothing seems to work.

Maybe your body needs more time until you can heal? For example following the diet very strict and also the iodine protocol step by step could be a solution and if sticking to it over a very long period. For example you wrote that you followed the paleo diet 10 years more or less, what do you mean with more or less, some minor slips for example? And just generally asking how does your diet look at the moment?
 
Hi Redfox and thanks for your comments. Funny, I just came back from the woods picking mushrooms...slow pace. It's been over 2 years ago since I took a walk in the woods, I've always loved it. Interesting article, that's also one of the reasons I'm so tired of "my story", been repeating it over and over again during the last 2-3 years, talk about mind job.

Daily broth - no. They are in the freezer! Will do them tomorrow. I'm pretty aware of what kind of foods I tolerate and not, but I can try avoiding some just to see what happens. Just ordered sunflower lecithin and Lions Mane and been using FIR sauna and DMSO/MgCl, it helps. Cold baths.....I think it have to wait - even as a child I couldn't tolerate the same low temperatures as other children, couldn't breath and got anxiety, maybe some day.

Hi Gawan, what I meant was that 10 years ago I started excluding all kinds of dairy, grains (not oat, I did a intolerance test and I've never experienced any problems, but I don't eat that often), night shades and other things I just didn't tolerate, it wasn't Paleo per definition, but almost. The last 5-6 years I've been more strict and have been reading more about inflammatory foods.

Martin
 
worldbridger said:
I was feeling some sort of hope, then things started to get worse again. So here I am. Running out of time, energy, money, and hope.

I’m not looking for pity, or even compassion, I just want to get well.

worldbridger said:
Cold baths.....I think it have to wait - even as a child I couldn't tolerate the same low temperatures as other children, couldn't breath and got anxiety, maybe some day.

Hi Martin,

If you are interested in learning more about cold therapy, you could look at this Sott webpage and listen to this Sott radio program.
https://www.sott.net/article/314735

There's one part of you saying that you are running out of hope and just want to get well, so perhaps you are willing to learn about possible solutions. Then there's another part of you that says no to trying a cold bath when it is offered as a possible solution to your health issues. If you listen to the radio program, you can learn that there can be baby steps, so that you don't need to jump from zero cold therapy experience to straight into a cold bath.
 
worldbridger said:
Anyway, at the same time I got a recommendation to a doctor who is a specialist in chronic pain (who also said I have fine fiber neuropathy) who went to the US in the 70s and his teacher was the one who came up with method called ”blistering”, she treated John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson who both suffered from chronic pain. Then the method faded away when Big Pharma started their opiode campaign.

So, the first doctor put me on Gabapentin and the other one started treating me (local anesthetic and Saroten to put me in deep sleep), Saroten (25-50 mg) helped me feel like I really had been sleeping for the first time in 2 years.

I was feeling some sort of hope, then things started to get worse again. So here I am. Running out of time, energy, money, and hope.

Today four books arrived in the post and all of them were about the brain and its relationship with all kinds of disorders including autoimmune, lyme's infections, general decline, etc. One thing that came up in TWO of these books (haven't skimmed the other two yet) was enemas. In one, the coffee enema was recommended for sorting out the vagus nerve. In the other, probiotic retention enemas were recommended for straightening out autoimmune conditions usually caused by taking antibiotics early in life.

Here is a site that talks about this:
http://wholehealthchicago.com/2015/05/18/on-good-bacteria-enemas-and-your-health/

And an excerpt.

Microbiome bacterial mix
A poor mix of bacteria in your microbiome can increase your risk for a diverse selection of conditions, including:

Autoimmune disorders such as rheumatoid arthritis, Type 1 diabetes, and multiple sclerosis.

Mood disorders including chronic anxiety and depression. A very readable source of information is GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome).

Susceptibility to intestinal inflammation (irritable bowel syndrome, ulcers, ulcerative colitis, Crohn’s) and colon cancer. Some gastroenterologists are treating these conditions by giving enemas containing stool material from a healthy donor, a process called a fecal transplant. If your doc recommends one, consider a DIY approach to save yourself $10K.

Learning disabilities, including ADD and ADHD. In one recently published article, researchers gave a group of newborns an enema of good bacteria, another group no enema. Thirteen years later, in the group that didn’t receive the probiotic enema, the ADD/Asperger rate was 7%. In the probiotic group: 0%.

Obesity and Type 2 diabetes

Autism. Some lab experiments using mouse models for autism have shown promising results with probiotics, and some nutritional physicians and autism support groups are encouraging this. However, the probiotics suggested are so potent they do require a doctor’s prescription.

Lyme Disease. Our physicians recommend a low-volume retention enema using an extremely high-potency, prescription-only probiotic containing nearly a trillion bacteria.

So, since I'm suffering rather severe pain and disability at the moment from an injury, I thought I'd give it a whirl: double whammy, coffee followed by probiotics.

I watched some video testimonials on youtube about it and it sounds almost too good to be true. We'll see. I've got nothing to lose, and neither do you.
 
Vince Black said:
Lilou said:
Vince Black said:
Is anyone taking their iodine with salt water in the morning? I know some people take the two apart from each other but I've been taking mine together. Are there any negatives to doing this?

This was discussed much earlier in the thread. The consensus was that the iodine should be taken separately from the salt water and not mixed together. The salt is taken so that any bromine that is displaced by iodine, will then attach to the chloride in the salt, and be excreted from the body. Mixing them may cause the iodine to simply be excreted.


Thanks Lilou, I'll start separating them. Do you think an hour separation would suffice? Are people generally taking the selenium with the iodine?
Hello Vince Black. May I suggest to read this whole thread from the start, you question(s) will likely all be answered by taking a little time to research. Happy reading!
 
[quote author= Vince Black]
Thanks Lilou, I'll start separating them. Do you think an hour separation would suffice? Are people generally taking the selenium with the iodine? [/quote]

Yes, an hour or even less would suffice, just don't mix salt and Lugol's together in the same cup. As for selenium, 200 micrograms per day are REQUIRED on the iodine protocol. Selenium protects against the effects of iodine toxicity and prevents the triggering and flaring of autoimmune disease that excess iodine without selenium can cause. Very important to take selenium!!
 
Laura said:
worldbridger said:
Anyway, at the same time I got a recommendation to a doctor who is a specialist in chronic pain (who also said I have fine fiber neuropathy) who went to the US in the 70s and his teacher was the one who came up with method called ”blistering”, she treated John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson who both suffered from chronic pain. Then the method faded away when Big Pharma started their opiode campaign.

So, the first doctor put me on Gabapentin and the other one started treating me (local anesthetic and Saroten to put me in deep sleep), Saroten (25-50 mg) helped me feel like I really had been sleeping for the first time in 2 years.

I was feeling some sort of hope, then things started to get worse again. So here I am. Running out of time, energy, money, and hope.

Today four books arrived in the post and all of them were about the brain and its relationship with all kinds of disorders including autoimmune, lyme's infections, general decline, etc. One thing that came up in TWO of these books (haven't skimmed the other two yet) was enemas. In one, the coffee enema was recommended for sorting out the vagus nerve. In the other, probiotic retention enemas were recommended for straightening out autoimmune conditions usually caused by taking antibiotics early in life.

Here is a site that talks about this:
http://wholehealthchicago.com/2015/05/18/on-good-bacteria-enemas-and-your-health/

And an excerpt.

Microbiome bacterial mix
A poor mix of bacteria in your microbiome can increase your risk for a diverse selection of conditions, including:

Autoimmune disorders such as rheumatoid arthritis, Type 1 diabetes, and multiple sclerosis.

Mood disorders including chronic anxiety and depression. A very readable source of information is GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome).

Susceptibility to intestinal inflammation (irritable bowel syndrome, ulcers, ulcerative colitis, Crohn’s) and colon cancer. Some gastroenterologists are treating these conditions by giving enemas containing stool material from a healthy donor, a process called a fecal transplant. If your doc recommends one, consider a DIY approach to save yourself $10K.

Learning disabilities, including ADD and ADHD. In one recently published article, researchers gave a group of newborns an enema of good bacteria, another group no enema. Thirteen years later, in the group that didn’t receive the probiotic enema, the ADD/Asperger rate was 7%. In the probiotic group: 0%.

Obesity and Type 2 diabetes

Autism. Some lab experiments using mouse models for autism have shown promising results with probiotics, and some nutritional physicians and autism support groups are encouraging this. However, the probiotics suggested are so potent they do require a doctor’s prescription.

Lyme Disease. Our physicians recommend a low-volume retention enema using an extremely high-potency, prescription-only probiotic containing nearly a trillion bacteria.

So, since I'm suffering rather severe pain and disability at the moment from an injury, I thought I'd give it a whirl: double whammy, coffee followed by probiotics.

I watched some video testimonials on youtube about it and it sounds almost too good to be true. We'll see. I've got nothing to lose, and neither do you.
I had trouble with the probiotics powder from the capsule either floating on the top of the water and sticking to the sides of the bucket when the level of the water dropped or just sinking to the bottom under the line of the funnel. Do you think I just need to give it a longer stir?
 
Lilou said:
[quote author= Vince Black]
Thanks Lilou, I'll start separating them. Do you think an hour separation would suffice? Are people generally taking the selenium with the iodine?

Yes, an hour or even less would suffice, just don't mix salt and Lugol's together in the same cup. As for selenium, 200 micrograms per day are REQUIRED on the iodine protocol. Selenium protects against the effects of iodine toxicity and prevents the triggering and flaring of autoimmune disease that excess iodine without selenium can cause. Very important to take selenium!!
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Definitely doing the 200micrograms of selenium with the iodine. I wanted to report a possible detox symptom that a few people have been experiencing. About 2 weeks ago, before I started my iodine protocol, I was using a drop of Lugol's on a finger wart (I heard it could help get rid of it). After about 4-5 days of this, I began to have light pains in my neck/salivary glands with slight enlargement on one side and increased sinus pressure. Realizing that it could possibly be from the iodine entering through the skin, I stopped because I wasn't taking selenium or chlorella at the time (only salt water and B vitamins). This has continued since I started the full iodine protocol last Saturday (using full cofactors, 4 drops of Lugol's 5%). The slight pain has lessened, but the glands are still mildly enlarged and I feel some pressure in my ears/sinuses. I'm not experiencing any dry mouth with this; quite the opposite in fact. I seem to be salivating more than usual. This is getting extremely annoying and of course I'm thinking about it 24/7 which probably makes it worse.
 
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