That was a very informative post. It identifies you as an example of a certain form of esoterically inclined individual, one you has learned psychic skills, but is very far from understanding anything about inner truth. Let me elaborate.
awakeningentity said:
I challenged a lot of those people. I told them.. Step up to the plate and lets see how good your other school of teachings is? But it never went anywhere..They failed at that too. Either they were not skilled enough, or just blunt headed and dumb... and lost the fight within a few seconds.
All people are different, and that paths that work for some may not work for others. Instead of realizing this, you made assumptions. The primary assumption is that what works for you must work for others.
That's what schoolteachers say to cover for their own lack of insight, and teaching capability regarding the individual predispositions of their students.
When people fail at a skill, they are obviously not skilled enough. And they are not skilled enough because that path is not right for them. Are you skilled in mathematics, music, architecture or art? Why not? Are you blunt-headed? Or perhaps those skills are unimportant to you. Perhaps they were not worth the trouble.
What these people were trying to tell you was that martial arts did not work for them. You see, the mistake you make here and throughout your post is to confuse inner growth with conditioned skill.
Even in martial arts a master learns discipline in order to eventually transcend it. Otherwise he/she is not a master, but a well-conditioned clever primate.
awakeningentity said:
I feel the same way now about you guys... I want you guys to step up to the plate and show me what you got! Because I had MASSIVE results with Higher Balance and I met other people who had the same. Is it you? The teachings? or both ? I get very personal when my school of teachings gets slammed like this...
First off, if you've read some threads of this forum, such as this one,
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=1093
you will see that people here are constantly "stepping up to the plate", and challenged to apply their understandings of human nature.
Now you claim MASSIVE results, and do kindly elaborate on those further down. What you are describing are SKILLS, not inner transformation. Any master will tell you all these skills are secondary if they are not accompanied by a change in the inner nature.
This change is the growth of the true unconditioned self. Regardless of all the effects you claim that are too deep and personal to describe, your statement that you get very "personal" when your "school" is challenged indicate a profoundly conditioned ego, as well as a strong sense of self-importance.
So right off the bat, I have to say that although you can perform tricks more complex, but still no different than any circus animal, you are clearly not in the same league as the people doing true esoteric work here.
You admit that out of all the people using HB methods only 1-10% have gotten results. This percentage is the number of talented people in any specialized group, IMO. It can easily mean that those who did get results either had some prior experience, such as your-self, or were latent psychics.
In either case, reading a few books and applying oneself could have probably gotten the same results for that 10%, and cost them far less. I want to add that although I am not in any way into martial disciplines, or any kind of structured discipline for that matter, I can do all the psychic stuff you described as a matter of it being second nature to me.
And because I can do such things, I know that it has next to nothing to do with real inner growth and transformation. In fact, a lot of what you described can be duplicated with psychedelic chemicals (shamans have done so through the ages). That does not mean we have to go around pushing drugs on people.
What you describe are brain states. They can accompany inner growth, but you can attain them without any growth. In the first case, they are the result of neural de-conditioning, and in the second they are the result of further conditioning. In the second case, they mark a step backwards because you get stuck on the skill and miss the point of inner work.
I have no problem with disagreements, but your tone indicates you can go through the motions, but nothing more. As such, you are nothing but a mimic of a spiritual person, one who triggered effects in his nervous system because of predisposition.
So you speak of "brilliance". The mark of brilliance is the ability to transmit truth. Otherwise, this brilliance is really cleverness to convince a 10% of all those who try out his methods that it is not their innate predisposition that brought results, but the alleged teaching itself. Again, you statistically find 1-10% good students in ANY class.
The difference between such talent and inner growth is that the latter entails a literal transformation of being. What is called "learning" there is really the trigger-process for an inner mutation. A skill may result in learning, but that is specialized, and only serves to condition an individual even more.
awakeningentity said:
So, if you want the knowledge you gotta fight for it. Are you going to be the top 10 percent in what you do or in the lower?
I think the people in this forum are confronting a lot of challenges to acquire knowledge. But what you are saying is that to get knowledge you have to TRAIN, which implies more conditioning. You see, to transform you also have to have an inner predisposition. The difference between that and the one leading to talent in a skill is fundamental.
When you are not talented you can still try your luck at a skill, and will only feel discouraged when you get no results. When you do not have predisposition to inner growth,
you cannot even attempt it, nor even begin to understand it. You can only approach and address it as just another skill.
To ten percent means competition. That means working against others. In the path promoted here the attitude is the opposite, where one works for others and not to distinguish themselves in relation to them.
In other words, comparisons of skill (and skill itself in the conditioned sense) are meaningless. That may be difficult to understand to a competitive person, and maybe the HB methods do not work for people seeking to serve others.
awakeningentity said:
I am not trying to tell you guys that you are not top able to be top 10 percenters.. I think anyone can be in the top 10 in whatever they apply themselves in. They just have to work for it a lot harder to compete for them.
Again, you are speaking as a trainer, and therefore have missed the point of true inner growth, which is a de-training, a de-conditioning and purification from set neural pathways. In other words, people here do not relate to the "top 10" mentality. Apparently the hearts of these people and your own are in DIFFERENT places.
Now to the details. The robber thing is nothing more than an application of learning to discern. That, however, is learned through seeing the unseen. Many people are trying to boil this down to a list of specifics. There are a few references, but you cannot just go through the motions of seeing the unseen, because there are none.
You have to change your inner state to one of unconditional objectivity. If you focus on techniques, you just end of specializing. Sure you might be able to see "robbers" or detect a certain frequency range of deviant energies, but at some point you will be blind-sided if you try to challenge the status quo beyond your limits.
And what is done here is just that: falsehood is challenged. Discernment as skill, is a good defence if you stay out of trouble. That may have worked to a degree in the past, but these days trouble will eventually find you if all you know are skills in dealing with it.
awakeningentity said:
Yes.. the sixth sense is a robber.. it is very elusive to you.. Hard to find when you have not stumbled across it accidentally. But if you see the logic that Eric points out you can study it. Find ways to find it.
The 6th sense is elusive, and there are two ways to bring it up: By chasing it down as you do, or by making space for it to emerge through dissolving conditionings and inner limitations.
These two ways are mutually exclusive. An individual whose soul cries for freedom will resist the development of psychic abilities by using techniques of conditioned learning. The last thing that soul wants is more bondage. That is what HB provides, as I see it, again only to those willing to condition themselves, and are predisposed to that way.
That's why it gives me some hope that at most 10% trying these methods have any predisposition toward them.
awakeningentity said:
I know my post is a bit unorganized and I am all-emotional about this.. because I had tons of experiences.. and I respect Eric so much that I feel he does not deserve the smack. I met him in person.. and he is true to his heart.. he is really sincere.. And he does this to actually heal the world.
Actually, you are quite clear, and seem to be sincere in your beliefs. However, your emotional defensiveness, and belief that your teacher got a "smack" just shows a lack of objectivity when you read the posts above. People were voicing their opinions based on their own experience.
It is no coincidence, furthermore, that the ones who are drawn to this site will not get results from HB methods, for the reasons I stated previously.
awakeningentity said:
how come I have all those experiences? its a puzzle to me.. I am still wondering if it would happen if I did another system.. but I guess I will never know. Erics stuff always made sense to me and thats why I chose to go with that.
For one you really don't know if the HB methods were a cause or a trigger (meaning you were on the threshold of learning these skills anyway). So you have not given any proof that HB methods really make much difference.
If it makes sense for you, and you think it works, then that is fine. But to react in defensive anger to the fact that MOST other people find this method ineffective (and hence not worth the money) shows that nothing you accomplished has changed you where it counts, at the core of your being.
