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Jedi
Hi all, just wondering if anyone would like to comment on the various affects of music on various aspects of the physical, mental, or spiritual state. i find that when i
 
I went to a Gurdjieff talk some years ago and the old guy holding it was describing how he felt "good" when a particular piece of Bach was playing. His teacher asked him why the music made him feel that way and he summed it up by feeling as if it had "balanced his centres" (chakras).

So perhaps there is some music that appeals to certain centres and in some cases balances them. Who knows.

At the moment I'm listening to a lot of Brian Eno and Explosions in the Sky, it seems to appeal to the thinking centre.
 
Johnno said:
I went to a Gurdjieff talk some years ago and the old guy holding it was describing how he felt "good" when a particular piece of Bach was playing. His teacher asked him why the music made him feel that way and he summed it up by feeling as if it had "balanced his centres" (chakras).

So perhaps there is some music that appeals to certain centres and in some cases balances them. Who knows.

At the moment I'm listening to a lot of Brian Eno and Explosions in the Sky, it seems to appeal to the thinking centre.
I agree with you.

I like very much the music of Robert Gass (especially the Aum and the Alleluia. In fact, the Alleluia make me travel in the universe) and some pieces of Robert Haig Coxon.

And as far as Bach is concerned, i apprceaite very much the Mass in si major.

I think bach was an "franc-ma
 
Music affects the centres in different ways, osit. The overlay of harmonies create an overtone - though it's long-standing impact isn't very clear.

It may be pertinent to the frequency -- being a longitudinal wave -- though it is curious how moods, thoughts etc. can be affected by different pitch or rhythms. Think it could possibly enhance neural pathways in some instance...

Very interesting topic. When I has reading Castaneda's "The Fire from Within", his mention of the duality of the rolling force/tumbler, or "rings" made me start thinking about waves - how some travel at right-angles [or perpendicular] whilst other's travel parallel. I may be far from anything of substance or thinking linearly however it's what visually popped into mind.

"The tumbling aspect relates exclusively to death & destruction. The circular aspect, on the other hand, is what maintains life & awareness, fulfilment & purpose."

"The reason it's called the circular force is that it comes in rings, threadlike hoops of iridescence-a very delicate affair indeed. And just like the tumbling force, it strikes all living beings ceaselessly, but for a different purpose. It strikes them to give them strength, direction, awareness; to give them life..."

"...if at any given time an individual feels that the tumbling force strikes harder than the circular one, that means the balance is upset; the tumbling force strikes harder and harder from then on, until it cracks the living being's gap [assemblage point on cocoon] and makes it die."

Perhaps it's the other way around..the forces resulting in representation of/as waves? In any case the book has a body of work in very interesting concepts, if just for thought.
At the right frequency [& loud enough], loss of bowel control or even death is possible by sound.
 
I have always wondered where my rather particular taste for music came from. But since I have started on 4th way work the distinctions have become clearer to me.

For me I believe some of it has to do with the various centres. Music can appeal (or not) in various ways to the moving, the emotional and the intellectual centre. There may also be a connection with the state one's centres are in and how well they work.
 
sarek said:
For me I believe some of it has to do with the various centres. Music can appeal (or not) in various ways to the moving, the emotional and the intellectual centre. There may also be a connection with the state one's centres are in and how well they work.

I agree. Also notice how music tastes change with time. And how some music is more "mature" than other. As for the connection between the centers, here is an article that I read not long ago:

Why Music Moves Us
Tia Ghose, LiveScience Staff Writer

Universal emotions like anger, sadness and happiness are expressed nearly the same in both music and movement across cultures, according to new research.

The researchers found that when Dartmouth undergraduates and members of a remote Cambodian hill tribe were asked to use sliding bars to adjust traits such as the speed, pitch, or regularity of music, they used the same types of characteristics to express primal emotions. What's more, the same types of patterns were used to express the same emotions in animations of movement in both cultures.

"The kinds of dynamics you find in movement, you find also in music and they're used in the same way to provide the same kind of meaning," said study co-author Thalia Wheatley, a neuroscientist at Dartmouth University.

The findings suggest music's intense power may lie in the fact it is processed by ancient brain circuitry used to read emotion in our movement.

"The study suggests why music is so fundamental and engaging for us," said Jonathan Schooler, a professor of brain and psychological sciences at the University of California at Santa Barbara, who was not involved in the study. "It takes advantage of some very, very basic and, in some sense, primitive systems that understand how motion relates to emotion."

Universal emotions

Why people love music has been an enduring mystery. Scientists have found that animals like different music than humans and that brain regions stimulated by food, sex and love also light up when we listen to music. Musicians even read emotions better than nonmusicians.

Past studies showed that the same brain areas were activated when people read emotion in both music and movement. That made Wheatley wonder how the two were connected.

To find out, Wheatley and her colleagues asked 50 Dartmouth undergraduates to manipulate five slider bars to change characteristics of an animated bouncy ball to make it look happy, sad, angry, peaceful or scared.

"We just say 'Make Mr. Ball look angry or make Mr. Ball look happy,'" she told LiveScience. [See Videos of the Sad and Happy Bouncy Ball]

To create different emotions in "Mr. Ball," the students could use the slider bars to affect how often the ball bounced, how often it made big bounces, whether it went up or down more often and how smoothly it moved.

Another 50 students could use similar slider bars to adjust the pitch trajectory, tempo, consonance (repetition), musical jumps and jitteriness of music to capture those same emotions.

The students tended to put the slider bars in roughly the same positions whether they were creating angry music or angry moving balls.

To see if these trends held across cultures, Wheatley's team traveled to the remote highlands of Cambodia and asked about 85 members of the Kreung tribe to perform the same task. Kreung music sounds radically different from Western music, with gongs and an instrument called a mem that sounds a bit like an insect buzzing, Wheatley said. None of the tribes' people had any exposure to Western music or media, she added.

Interestingly, the Kreung tended to put the slider bars in roughly the same positions as Americans did to capture different emotions, and the position of the sliders was very similar for both music and emotions.

The findings suggest that music taps into the brain networks and regions that we use to understand emotion in people's movements. That may explain why music has such power to move us — it's activating deep-seated brain regions that are used to process emotion, Wheatley said.

"Emotion is the same thing no matter whether it's coming in through our eyes or ears," she said.

The study is detailed today (Dec. 17) in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
 
This topic also reminded me of music and the right hemisphere involvement. I read in "The Scalpel and the Soul" by Allan J. Hamilton, that there are some cases when a person who is not able to speak will still be able to sing when there is an aphasia which is basically the medical term for "an inability to speak".

Aphasia is caused by brain damage, and is produced by left brain hemisphere damage in right-handed people.

It seems that almost 90% of the population is right handed and of this percentage, more than 99% have a strong left hemisphere dominance for the linguistic functions. This is the reason why in right handed people, only left hemisphere brain damage will cause aphasia. Left-handed people will have a different hemispheric brain pattern, so their linguistic functions will be represented in both brain hemispheres. As a result, damage in any hemisphere will produce aphasia which will be less severe than those with the same damage in right-handed people.

The book quotes neurologist Norm Mueller who made the observation that there were cases recorded in the medical literature about people who could not speak, but they could sing. Mueller was struck by the fact that the human central nervous system did not process musical sounds the same way it did the auditory patterns of speech. He had found and described several patients with strokes involving the left hemisphere who were aphasic. They couldn’t utter a word. But… they could still sing!

It seems that singing involves right hemisphere activity, so people with aphasia due to left hemisphere lesions are able to sing the text of a song while they are unable to speak the same words.
 
There's quite lot of research done on how music affects the brain. In study of neuroplasticity researchers found that musicians have more gray matter in motoric, auditive and visual cortex of brain than non-musician control group. These changes are propably due because processing music involves on many different areas of the brain; auditive, visual, motoric and language areas. The corpus callosum is also found bigger in musicians.

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/23/27/9240.full

There's also done research of how music affects recovering in depression, stroke and dementia. In one study the stroke patients listened music during 6 month recovery time. Verbal memory and focused attention areas improved better with the music group and they experienced less anxiety and depression.

http://www.brainlife.org/reprint/2008/s%C3%A4rk%C3%A4m%C3%B6_t080220.pdf

I think this is quite amazing video, where old man with alzheimer listens music from his childhood and the way he reacts to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDXuCE7LeQ
 
I heard about what music therapy can do for some from the book "Musicophilia: Tales of Music and the Brain" by Neurologist Oliver Sacks. It sounded fascinating! Here is more information FWIW:

_http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/books/20kaku.html?_r=0

In his latest book, “Musicophilia,” Dr. Sacks focuses on people afflicted with strange musical disorders or powers — “musical misalignments” that affect their professional and daily lives. A composer of atonal music starts having musical hallucinations that are “tonal” and “corny”: irritating Christmas songs and lullabies that play endlessly in his head. A musical savant with a “phonographic” memory learns the melodies to hundreds of operas, as well as what every instrument plays and what every voice sings. A composer with synesthesia sees specific colors when he hears music in different musical keys: G minor, for instance, is not just “yellow” but “ocher”; D minor is “like flint, graphite”; and F minor is “earthy, ashy.” A virtuosic pianist who for many years bizarrely lost the use of his right hand, finds at the age of 36 that the fourth and fifth fingers of his right hand have started to curl uncontrollably under his palm when he plays.

Dr. Sacks writes not just as a doctor and a scientist but also as a humanist with a philosophical and literary bent, and he’s able in these pages to convey both the fathomless mysteries of the human brain and the equally profound mysteries of music: an art that is “completely abstract and profoundly emotional,” devoid of the power to “represent anything particular or external,” but endowed with the capacity to express powerful, inchoate moods and feelings.

He muses upon the unequal distribution of musical gifts among the human population: Che Guevara, he tells us, was “rhythm deaf,” capable of dancing a mambo while an orchestra was playing a tango, whereas Freud and Nabokov seemed incapable of receiving any pleasure from music at all. He writes about the “narrative or mnemonic power of music,” its ability to help a person follow intricate sequences or retain great volumes of information — a power that explains why music can help someone with autism perform procedures he or she might otherwise be incapable of.

And he writes about the power of rhythm to help coordinate and energize basic locomotive movement, a power that explains why music can help push athletes to new levels and why the right sort of music (generally, legato with a well-defined rhythm) can help liberate some parkinsonian patients from “their frozenness.”

Indeed, this volume makes a powerful case for the benefits of music therapy. In Dr. Sacks’ view, music can aid aphasics and patients with parkinsonism, and it can help orient and anchor patients with advanced dementia because “musical perception, musical sensibility, musical emotion and musical memory can survive long after other forms of memory have disappeared.”

Music, he says, can act as a “Proustian mnemonic, eliciting emotions and associations that had been long forgotten, giving the patient access once again to mood and memories, thoughts and worlds that had seemingly been completely lost.”

As he’s done in his earlier books, Dr. Sacks underscores the resilience of the human mind, the capacity of some people to find art in affliction, and to adapt to loss and deprivation. Among the people who appear in this book are children with Williams syndrome, who have low I.Q.’s and extraordinary musical and narrative gifts (one young woman learns to sing operatic arias in more than 30 languages), and elderly dementia patients who develop unexpected musical talents.

Dr. Sacks notes that there are stories in medical literature about people who develop artistic gifts after left-hemisphere strokes, and he suggests that “there may be a variety of inhibitions — psychological, neurological and social — which may, for one reason or another, relax in one’s later years and allow a creativity as surprising to oneself as to others.”

The composer Tobias Picker, who has Tourette’s, tells Dr. Sacks that the syndrome has shaped his imagination: “I live my life controlled by Tourette’s but use music to control it. I have harnessed its energy — I play with it, manipulate it, trick it, mimic it, taunt it, explore it, exploit it, in every possible way.”

Dr. Sacks notes that while the composer’s newest piano concerto “is full of turbulent, agitated whirls and twirls” in sections, Mr. Picker is able to write in every mode — “the dreamy and tranquil no less than the violent and stormy” — and can move “from one mood to another with consummate ease.”

Although this book could have benefited from some heavy-duty editing that would have removed repetitions and occasional patches of technical jargon, these lapses are easily overlooked by the reader, so powerful and compassionate are Dr. Sacks’ accounts of his patients’ dilemmas. He has written a book that not only contributes to our understanding of the elusive magic of music but also illuminates the strange workings, and misfirings, of the human mind.

Musicophilia

_http://www.oliversacks.com/books/musicophilia/

Music can move us to the heights or depths of emotion. It can persuade us to buy something, or remind us of our first date. It can lift us out of depression when nothing else can. It can get us dancing to its beat. But the power of music goes much, much further. Indeed, music occupies more areas of our brain than language does–humans are a musical species.

Oliver Sacks’s compassionate, compelling tales of people struggling to adapt to different neurological conditions have fundamentally changed the way we think of our own brains, and of the human experience. In Musicophilia, he examines the powers of music through the individual experiences of patients, musicians, and everyday people–from a man who is struck by lightning and suddenly inspired to become a pianist at the age of forty-two, to an entire group of children with Williams syndrome who are hypermusical from birth; from people with “amusia,” to whom a symphony sounds like the clattering of pots and pans, to a man whose memory spans only seven seconds–for everything but music.

Our exquisite sensitivity to music can sometimes go wrong: Sacks explores how catchy tunes can subject us to hours of mental replay, and how a surprising number of people acquire nonstop musical hallucinations that assault them night and day. Yet far more frequently, music goes right: Sacks describes how music can animate people with Parkinson’s disease who cannot otherwise move, give words to stroke patients who cannot otherwise speak, and calm and organize people whose memories are ravaged by Alzheimer’s or amnesia.
 
Yes interesting subject.

There's one key thing that people frequently misunderstand about music.

Digital processing/recording strips a lot out of music. There are many
subtleties and nuances in sound recordings that are simply removed
by digital processing. Most people I know can't hear it, but even if you
can't hear it you certainly can "feel it".

Most of the newer generation has no idea that analog music is vastly
superior to digital except for one thing, convenience.

One of the reasons I believe that people fail to understand this is because
they have no experience with "high quality" analog music. Most peoples
experience with Analog was some low grade tape decks/turn tables and
what not.
 
Maybe certains tones and melodies opens some centers in us (as said above) i think the subconscious reacts to these melodies and let some kind of memories to revive in some way (emotionally, as imagination etc) the scientific explanation would be about how the sound and the differents vibrations works on our brain and our cells.. In a way like seppo ilmarinen said in his post!
I remember the Cs saying in many ocassions that the use of sound was key in olders civilizations! Sometímes To connect to higher dimensions, to build amazing structures, to levitate etc
 
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