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What is God Generically & Actually...
Gertrudes:
Hi Rob,
On the subject of morality, there is a very interesting article: Moral Endo-skeletons and Exo-skeletons: A Perspective on America's Cultural Divide and Current Crisis
which you might like to take a look at.
It explores the concept of morality dividing it into 2 categories, the moral endo-skeleton, and the moral exo-skeleton. It is well worth the read
Oxajil:
Hi Rob, others have been given great replies to you. There is much to learn here for all of us, if we are sincere and open to learn.
--- Quote from: Rob on March 20, 2010, 06:19:39 AM ---I know what you mean, i would never assume to 'consciously' have infinte power & knowledge etc. That may be delusional. ;)
But then again we may simply have that ability turned off by our 'higher' self.
--- End quote ---
Assuming we have infinite ''power'' & knowledge ''unconsciously'' might also be delusional.
Perhaps our state before the Fall of Eden (assuming such thing occured) could be seen as ''Godlike'' and comparing that STO state with our current STS state, you could say that something has been ''turned off'' (by the many changes that have been made; hemispheres, DNA etc.).
--- Quote from: Rob on March 20, 2010, 06:19:39 AM ---To be strictly accurate (IMO) i dont think we can even say we r a 'piece' or part of anything, any more than saying my finger is a piece of me. I know what you mean though. ;)
It IS me. Its not a 'part' of me.
--- End quote ---
I'm not sure anyone can be ''strictly accurate'' in such discussions, do you agree?
I think there are many point of views possible. I see my finger as a part of me, including my body, but I also see that it is me. The question is; who/what is ''me''?
So, many POV's are possible.
And I'm not sure which point of view is ''strictly accurate'', since it is a matter of how you look at it, based on which knowledge and/or awareness.
See what obyvatel writes:
--- Quote ---There is no good and evil from the perspective of God. We are created beings - parts of God as Oxajil wrote. Confusing the perspective of God with the perspective of a created being is rife with problems. At our level of existence, discernment and choice seem to be the main lessons (rather than finding proof) and these are related to a combined function of the emotion and intellect.
--- End quote ---
So you are trying to view the world by trying to use the eyes of God, but you are not God. You can try, but what results has it given you so far? Headaches? or Success in life? Health? Discipline? Self-respect? Awareness? Or are these of no importance?
Maybe everything we see, smell and hear is an illusion, but this is where we are and this is what we got.
If we cannot even grasp the STO point of view, then how are we going to grasp the point of view of God?
--- Quote ---A: The bottom line is this: You are occupying 3rd density. You are by nature, STS. You can be an STO candidate, but you are NOT STO until you are on 4th density. You will NEVER grasp the meaning of these attempted conceptualizations until you are at 4th and above.
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If you think you are ''unconsciously'' God, then... what now? What is your goal in life? Why do you think you are here?
Let's say you are in class 3 and decided to understand everything with the knowledge and awareness of class 7. Since you are in class 3, you lack the knowledge and awareness (that students in class 7 have), of course there might be glimpses, but the whole is not within your reach.
So what then? Do you keep on trying to understand how people in class 7 understand things, or will you continue studying in class 3?
Because that is where you are and perhaps ''should be''.
Windmill knight:
--- Quote from: Oxajil on March 22, 2010, 08:33:16 PM ---
If you think you are ''unconsciously'' God, then... what now? What is your goal in life? Why do you think you are here?
Let's say you are in class 3 and decided to understand everything with the knowledge and awareness of class 7. Since you are in class 3, you lack the knowledge and awareness (that students in class 7 have), of course there might be glimpses, but the whole is not within your reach.
So what then? Do you keep on trying to understand how people in class 7 understand things, or will you continue studying in class 3?
Because that is where you are and perhaps ''should be''.
--- End quote ---
I think this is an excellent point and very well explained too. Theodore Illion said it this way:
--- Quote ---TI: "Life would have no meaning if there was no alternative between light and darkness," I said. "There are two currents of life. One is moving upward and the other downward. The moment one loses one's soul one is precipitated into the downward current."
Dolma:"How can one lose one's soul?"
TI: "By sinning against one's soul."
Dolma: "By a sensual life?"
TI: "Oh no, in most cases that is a sin against one's body. You may suffer for it in this life or in some future incarnation."
Dolma: "By treating other's badly, then?"
TI: "No, as a rule, even this is no sin against your soul. You will get your punishment for treating others badly in this or some future incarnation, although wanton cruelty to defenceless creatures, ratlike ingratitude, or an innate tendency to spy on others already reveal a certain degree of soullessness which may be due to sins committed against one's soul in former incarnations."
Dolma: "Well, then, what is a sin against one's soul?"
TI: "Using spiritual things for selfish purposes. Dragging God down to earth. Trying to put oneself on a level with the Creator."
--- End quote ---
One could say that by trying to put yourself at the level of the Creator (by skipping class 3 and trying to sneak into class 7) you are rejecting the only thing that the Creator asks from you: to be yourself. If you reject your being, what naturally follows is non-being. No wonder then that all those hardcore 'love'n light' newagers seem so soul-less.
This also reminds me of a quote that moderator herondancer has as a signature:
--- Quote ---A fanatic is a man who does what he thinks the Lord would do if He knew the facts of the matter.
--- End quote ---
Laura:
Life is religion.
Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
Cassiopaeans, 28 September 2002
wetroof:
Windmill! :) that quote is really cool I enjoyed it a lot. very good dialogue. This: "Using spiritual things for selfish purposes. Dragging God down to earth. Trying to put oneself on a level with the Creator" makes me think a lot. as I read down the dialogue I am wondering what's a 'sin against the soul'.. then there it is. I will have to check that guy out and maybe find a copy of darkness over Tibet. thanks for the Link to the article too.
Rob, I can't really help you out with "what is god?" at the moment. I have my own ideas mostly shaped here, which a few forum members have echoed closely. interesting discussion, best of luck.
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