Mind Control & HAARP

The following statement was made more than twenty-five years ago in a book by Zbigniew Brzezinski which he wrote while a professor at Columbia University:

"Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behavior. Geophysicist Gordon J.F. MacDonald, a specialist in problems of warfare, says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth ... in this way one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period"

" ... no matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages, to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."

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In 1966, MacDonald was a member of the President's Science Advisory Committee and later a member of the President's Council on Environmental Quality. He published papers on the use of environmental control technologies for military purposes. The most profound comment he made as a geophysicist was,

"the key to geophysical warfare is the identification of environmental instabilities to which the addition of a small amount of energy would release vastly greater amounts of energy."

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Sonic Bloom is a radical plant growth method involving application of a specially developed organic foliar nutrient spray together with an oscillating sound frequency.
The theory behind the technique is that plants open their surface pores or stomata when stimulated by certain sounds. During and after a serenade of pulsed chirps and whistles (for the plants) mixed with various classical musical selections (so that humans can enjoy the music too) the nutrient, c .

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...provide protection for low power density ELF signals. The purpose of the system is to create a situation where the ELF signals cannot "lock" onto biological systems -- like human beings.

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(HAARP) Powerful enough to down a spacecraft as some conspiracists claim? Unlikely.
That honor is reserved for the Large Millimeter Telescope in Mexico.
The LMT is a joint project between the US Military and Mexico. Its primary mission is to use radio waves to probe the origins of the universe, but Phillip Coyle-who was director of operational testing and evaluation-said that officials refused to fund the project unless there was a "strong potential for military use." The radio telescope is designed to find and train in on very small objects in the sky. It's harmless to distant galaxies, but circuitry inside man-made satellites in Earth orbit are vulnerable to such levels of HF radio. If the antenna were trained upon an unhardened satellite, the conductor or semiconductor materials inside would be overloaded, and the circuitry fragged.

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My information only confirms the conclusions I heard on the podcast, but you know enough about it that maybe some of my anecdotes will confirm some things you've guessed for you as well.

You folks are right about HAARP, and that 'chemtrails' are an aspect of that system. What I know about these things is second hand, but not from reading internet sites (simulacra). I witnessed regular and elaborate grids laid out routinely over north New Mexico. I was struck by this as soon as I arrived to live there in March 2000. I lived just west of Santa Fe off of Hwy 599, an open highway but it was public knowledge that 599 is the 'disposal' route from Los Alamos labs for their radioactive waste. The public is advised to avoid if there's an emergency, but the disposal trucks travel the route to Texas with military escort unannounced. Shortly after locating there it happened that the Sandia forest had a serious fire that drove the scientists and personnel living around Los Alamos into Santa Fe. It became public television news that an acre of 'hot' waste had been kept in tents above ground for years, and for several days there was a scare that if the fire reached them that the smoke cloud would become radioactive(we could smell the smoke and see the haze in Santa Fe, so that was pretty 'real' to us). That didn't happen, but I saw many of these disposal trucks for a week speeding with hummer escort south on Hwy 599 past the residence.

At the time I knew nothing of Los Alamos except what all Americans know - that it was where the nuclear weapons had been developed. The entire time I lived in New Mexico, 2000-2004, that's what everyone in town assumed they still do primarily. And I did meet former personnel that spoke of the routine of radiation protective suits and wearing the badges that are used at the end of a shift to measure the daily radiation exposure of an employee and so on. Those guys I'm referring to were the common labor, the machine shops and general janitors who didn't know much.

But I did wonder, how many times do you need to develop nuclear warheads? What else were they working on there?

I only met a handful of technical people, engineers and one retired scientist. Security of the real secrets isn't very dramatic, labs with layers of classified to non-classified to top secret work going on organized such that the personality profiles of each layer behave exactly as they're tested for. And there is a 'Santaroga Barrier' aspect and vibe to career people working in these facilities -- they are controlled communities. The mind control is subtle, and it was that aspect that I was much more interested in comprehending than any kill widgets or deth gizmos they were up to in there.

The retired scientist I met was the type who only cared about his own interest, which was cold fusion. He'd been on the cold fusion team (his terms) for thirty years until, he said, the US government discontinued it. He had his own lab next to his beautiful home on the mountain, off Artist's Road, with a splendid view of the Los Alamos facility. Which, by the way, is a rectangle of titanium which buildings, white being so visible against the brownish lanscape of the high Desert as to be visible from orbit. Due to that I've wondered whether the facility isn't just a low level operation now with mostly what really would amount to 'makework', not the really secret stuff they'd be doing someplace nobody's ever heard of, and no doubt underground.

The only other person I knew who was employed not at Los Alamos, but at the Sandia Labs, is more interesting than Edmund Storms and his energy unimpressive home cold fusion laboratory. A last word about Storms....my intuition is that he and his team were probably set up by personality profile in full knowledge that they would never reach the breakthrough point. Intuition, because my reading of Storms is that he lacked the hubris that I think must be a trait in the scientists who do get the results. He's the type that likes the process of the experimentation -- playing with his test tubes and electron microscope too much. He's perfectly happy to say that cold fusion is decades away from being 'cracked' as a viable free energy source, and he believes that.
It would never occur to him that he may have been set up with a lab to conduct his timid experimentation for a lifetime, never intended to get results but just the opposite.

Have you ever read Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow? If you haven't it's a 'must read', for a novel. Regarding mind control triggers, you may have already suspected that J.D.Salinger, who supposedly wrote Catcher in the Rye was no author who came up with the book all by himself, but was one of the 'composites', a name put certain literature which is really written by teams. No one's figured out exactly what the triggers are in Catcher in the Rye that supposedly set John Hinkley and Mark David Chapman off into their assassin alters. I never have been certain whether to believe that Hinkley ever was under mind control in that sense at all, and that his trial and incarceration wasn't just theater. For all we really know he was CIA all along and went on to other assignments with his birth identity neatly tucked away in a mental institution, a real mind control victim serving as proxy, no doubt believing himself to be Hinkley.

And if you haven't seen the Paddy Chayevsky masterpiece Network in a while....take a freeze frame of the last scene, when the two television studio audience assassins stand up to gun down Howard Beal on national television. Doesn't one of them look a lot like Mark David Chapman would look in 1980? This film was released in 1976. The penultimate predictive programming masterpiece.

Yes, I've been aware of and studying mind control for a very long time. But I didn't realize the extent I was under control of it myself until 2002. But back to 2000-2001, the Santa Fe (chem)Trail , and suspicions of subtle mind control out of Sandia Labs.

Now, in 2000 I was still associating with people who were into the "occult". I'd been corresponding with the head handler of the OTO who lived in Santa Fe for a year before moving up there. His presentation at the time was still the hipster 'hippie', and he had his little circle of followers who met at his pueblo frequently. Sometimes for 'Resh', or Crowley's Gnostic psychodrama for catching the intrigue of the suckers on the outside to get them to want to get in deeper. The one with the silly costumes and incantations and hand signals, at the conclusion of which you get to quaff some wine and kiss a naked girl sitting on the alter....oops, I mean 'altar'. In 2000 they were still passing the bong around at these cozy gatherings. I gathered that the psychadelics which were abundant through the 90's had just been cut off...in Santa Fe...though I learned upon return to Texas that never slowed down in Austin.

So I already knew a bit about how formal occult cliques operate. You have your worshipful master, whatever he or she is called depending on the flavor of the draw, and that if that person thinks your fit material for programming pretty soon one of the members of whatever your sexual preference will start talking with you a lot and wanting to get personal. The one he picked for that role with me, or maybe she picked herself, was nice enough but not really my type. But she was working at the Sandia Labs in some classified capacity. The most interesting conversation I had with her, I confided my childhood experiences when I was living near a naval air station, things like having a year of insomnia from things like the bed vibrating each time I'd be on the cusp of sleep, and hums and such. Those phenomena has started abruptly and ended about as abruptly after several months.

She knew all about it, an proceeded to describe the same experiences in her home during he same years when this project was going on. MKDELTA. High band radio waves with a powerful transducer effect, both on things like bedsprings, and cranial bone.

I"ve had a knack....or used to.......for running into people out of heavy mind control histories. Like them all, she could speak of these things with first hand detail and matter of fact, since if you've been a subject it seems normal. But her department was evidently in the bio labs, another 'makework' project probably, she was too flaky to be involved in anything important--or secret--because only the real high functioning sociopaths with real hubris get to work in that stuff.

But I think I did meet one of those after all. In September 2000 I moved into Santa Fe near the Indian School, and my computer got hit by something that knocked out it's ability to download from the internet. I could connect, but not 'surf'. Another flaky woman I'd met who'd seen my ad for making web sites suggested a friend of hers, Cliff, whom she said did computer house calls and was excellent and affordable. I called him. He spend about 5 hours in my OS, and got it working. He removed an army of trojans and suggested I start using a firewall.

He seemed like the typical Santa Fe 50 year old technocrat who'd walked away from a career at Hewlitt Packard in Seattle to be a hippie malcontent. That's the story he told me. He also sounded paranoid to me, talking about 'special research' he was doing that had attracted NSA attention, warning me that the internet is a hand-me-down from DARPA and there's no such thing as privacy if you use it at all.

After he left I went to his web site, and on his page about his computer service, I found a link that took me into his site on chemtrails.
Now you've heard of this guy. It was Clifford Carnicorn...now very widely known as the first and most qualified chemtrail researcher on the internet. He's the one that as far back as 2000 got the 'toxins' story going. It was already on his web site, the story goes like this---

Working out of his house, he made crude weather balloons to send up into the residue of fresh trails. When recovered, he'd examine these, under a microscope, and doing home spectrography to see what was in the sample. So Carnicorn wrote the whole script on chemtrails containing -- aluminum, barium, but also bio hazardous suspicious stuff like red blood cells. And nasty bacteria that causes upper respiratory problems.

However, my maxim is 'don't believe what you read in the papers' ... During the four years I lived in Santa Fe, priveledged to see almost daily massive chemtrail gridding done by squadrons of high flying unmarked tankers of the Boeing 757 class, I heard much about the 'chemtrail people' convinced it was making people sick, reporting upper respiratory illness, flu like symptoms, and chronic fatique syndrome...but I did not experience these myself. And I never saw any of that 'angel hair' or 'matt of fibers' or 'yellow snow' you will find on all the chemtrail sites and Rense and all those people. Even Alan Watt pushes these chemtrail myths, though maybe he believes them as many people do.

But these memes begin with Carnicorn, and his web site was the very first to get this going. All those years I thought that Cliff Carnicorn was a re-tread hippie who'd left (or gotten downsized) from ordinary computer programming with Hewlett Packard, and that he was sincere. I never saw or corresponded with him except that day when he was in my house for 5 hours pretending to be a ne're-do-well PC repair guy.

Now get this. Last year, there was a chemtrails thread on another forum, and the administrator thinks the whole thing is rubbish, that people are imagining it, period. Naturally that fostered a division of posters some violently 'for' chemtrails, and others just a vehemently scoffing. I saw both were all wet in their conclusions, so I posted my experience that I'd witnessed them and mentioned Carnicorn as a reference site to find photos that I could confirm because he took them on dates when I saw those patterns being laid out myself.�

But one of the forum posters who does actually research things, researched Carnicorn, and lo and behold he'd found out that Carnicorn, now by his own admission, was an atmospheric research scientist employed by the Department of Defense for eighteen years, ('retired'), who had top secret security clearance. Carnicorn's upgraded story is that he 'walked' on that career out of beginning to suspect that the DoD might be doing some research that might not be good for people! Same story he told me, except not Hewlett Packard, but DoD and atmospheric engineering to boot.

I felt a chill go up my spine recalling that this guy had been in my pc for half a day, realizing that nothing and nobody I encountered in Santa Fe had been so 'random' as I'd thought.

So Cliff is counterintelligence. That's confirmed, I think, at least for me.

But I'd not taken his site's word for it that chemtrails are for making us sick. They never made me sick. My own growing hypothesis from observing between 2000 and 2004 was that the operation was connected to Los Alamos research. And it had been Teller of Los Alamos who'd suggested high altitude spraying of aluminum particles, he said, to reflect solar radiation to counteract the 'greenhouse effect', which nowadays dovetails nicely with 'global warming' nonsense. Teller is the perfect example of a scientist who does have that maniacal ambition and hubris to go straight to the director's chair of the most evil projects and actually feed off that sense of power of millions of innocent lives. A deth dealer. So anything that Teller said publicly--you know it was lies and deception to throw anyone in the wrong direction.

What I did experience, and see everybody else experience, both in Santa Fe where there were chemtrails, and on my trips around the country, isn't people coughing but people lacking the basic emotional reaction to crisis. And lacking empathy to horror committed against innocents. And when I go into the city environs here, lack of facial and emotional affect.

It's like 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' and you obviously know what I mean, since you and your friends speak of precisely that on the 'POD' cast.

When I was in Florida for a couple of weeks in 2003, I didn't see chemtrails. When I moved here, haven't seen them except very rarely. I saw them for a few weeks before the Nov 2006 elections, that's about it.

So I've considered, 'why did people go numb, between 2003-2004, and stay that way since? The chemtrails aren't all there is to it. HAARP probably isn't all their is to it either.

What we have blanketing parts of Texas--the whole north Gulf Coast really--and Austin is microwave towers. And now everybody has a phone glued to their head anywhere they go, even have those 'blue tooth' things stuck in the ear.

I used a microwave phone for a few months in 1999, and didn't like it, so I haven't used anything by a land line since. If somebody wants to reach me when I'm out, they can leave a message on my machine. I grew up before this stuff, so I still find it creepy to hear somebody in a store say, 'hi' and start talking and there's 'nobody there'.

The mind control of the phones runs on mutliple levels ranging from behavior modification like that just from using the medium, to deeperlayers of altering brain structures. Now the towers are all over the place, you'd have to drive an hour or two away from a high population area to get out of their long range. I think that for those weak zones in the grid, that may be where the chemtrails and HAARP come in. They want FULL PLANETARY COVERAGE, 24/7, whether one has a phone glued to their skull or not. They're gonna 'reach out and touch someone', everyone. From the Amazon jungle to the Artic Circle.

So we're dumbed and numbed down now. But having studied the 'neurophone' and acoustical physics, and biofeedback brainwave technology back in the seventies when my techtronophile friends liked to play with this stuff, I know that they can make masses of people behave any way they want, just by adjusting the Hz.

When the Miami and LA riots happened in the early 90's, I knew that this is what they were experimenting with. At that time there was no microwave tower grid of the scope it's been since 1997, but cities could have concealed the technologies while it was still secret and figured the DIA was testing it on live populations. The 'rage' was triggered, and not just in those cities but in all cities during the 90's. Remember 'road rage'? People losing their tempers easily with clerks or people in stores during the 90's? I remember that during the Waco massacre, it was the first time I saw everyone go blank in Austin. And then from 1996 on everybody just seemed to go berserk. 1998 I saw needless auto wrecks every single day on the 183 semi-loop were I was working for a subidiary of Trilogy. That's where all the IT stuff was, all along that highway. I had lost my own business in 1998 and had to do temp work for a year. First job I got was delivery driver, so I was in and out of all the IT complexes loading docks and check points. DELL, Motorola, and a host of others. That 'culture' had come out of thin air in Austin between 1990-1996. They are definitely security conscious. Motorola for instance, uses military police at their checkpoints. I know the profile. And they had the heaviest security of all the complexes. Something going on there that was very secret. Going in and out of there wasn't just being flipped through a gate by saying 'Candy Gram', they detained you while they called in to a central office. Took a few minutes. Someone on the other end was checking out the car, driver's licence.

Well, that's my experience with this stuff. The world has completely changed since the mid 1990's, and they've 'done it' now. I wish I could just go back to the 70's...or better yet the 1870's and just stay there!

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CarpeDiem said:

i was persuing completely unrelated (or not?) subject, and suddenly stubbed into this article from whale.
Actually it spans whale - theforbiddenknowledge - rense - educate yourself.
How you guys wave through all this incredible maze?


Strangely people on the list use aviary birds names though...

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Mind Control, HAARP, and the Coming Catastrophe


Announcer: This is radio free Signs of the Times...broadcasting into the heart of occupied America.


Henry

* Welcome to this week's Signs-of-the-Time Podcast.

Henry

* I'm Henry.

Scott

* And I'm Scott.

Joe

* I'm Joe.

Henry

* And we have with us, once again, Laura.

Laura

* Hi.

Henry

* This week we are going into the mail bag. On the Signs-of-the-Times Forum, we have a topic where readers can write in and can ask us to discuss certain topics. I don't think we've actually gone in and discussed any of those topics. So this week we felt that we would...

Joe

* <Interjected> It was high time that we did.

Henry

* It was high time, yes.

Laura

* So dig into the mail bag, Henry, and pull out the first one. What do people want us to talk about?

Scott

* Let's see...

Henry

* Well...

Joe

* You read it Henry...

Henry

* Well, we took a number of the requests that we had and a number of them are... are similar. There're quite a few people who wanted us to say something about the Greenbaum lecture and mind control and also the HAARP system, so we'll touch on that. And another set of questions revolved around the issue of cyclic cataclysms, the economic problems that we'll be facing, the multi-millennial control structure that's in place, secret societies, and... we know all of this relates to the pathocracy which is the, in fact, the underlying multi-millennial control structure and the basis for any real secret society. So we are going to be seeing how Greenbaum'ing, mind control, the HAARP system, which is not about weather control, but is definitely about mind control, fits in with cyclic catastrophes, the multi-millennial control structure and we're gonna take a look tonight at how all these things fit together.

Henry

* When we look at, say, the United States, where these symptoms are probably the most extreme, we see a population

Laura

* What symptoms?

Henry

* These symptoms of horror that we see going on in the World and a lack of reaction on the parts of the population, for example: the massive crimes that are being committed by Israel in Lebanon, in the occupied territories...

Laura

* Funded by the U.S.

Henry

* ...and it's not only the United States, the U.S. people, that are doing nothing, but it's the entire World that's standing by and allowing this to happen.

Laura

* Well, this is fairly typical because it's exactly the same thing that happened prior to World War Two when Nazi Germany was taken over by a pathocracy and I just want to kind of emphasize that a pathocracy is when the government has been taken over completely and has been turned into an evil system run by deviant personalities, psychopaths, etc., and although there is always an element in human society that consists of these kinds of deviant persons and they're always vying for position and vying to take control, and most often in history they do, but generally they don't last long, because not that many of them are very smart. They get assassinated or their people rise up against them eventually because greed is such a sickness, that they cannot contain themselves, so they get deposed and then somebody less deviant comes to power... Over and over again throughout history this kind of situation has transpired, but in the times leading up the takeover of Germany by a truly pathocratic system, the World was equally silent. There were many people, in many countries, who were hearing rumours or outright reports of what the Nazis were doing and were ignoring it or excusing it or saying "we can make nice" or...

Henry

* Or even supporting it.

Laura

* ...or even supporting it, yes. I don't know if anybody has seen the movie "The Remains of the Day", but this is an interesting little drama about a British aristocrat who truly believed because of his love of Germany and German culture and German opera, and Wagner, and the whole nine yards, Guerta (SP?), etc, that Germany was finally going to be raised up from the ashes from the Treaty of Versailles which had so diminished Germany and had been really been quite unfair.

Henry

* So unfair that, in fact, Germany is still paying reparations

Laura

* (Incredulous laugh) Yeah.

Henry

* You know, this is, what, 90, almost 90 years later, and they're still paying reparations for the Treaty of Versailles.

Laura

* Yeah. So... Anyhow, this British aristocrat was quite fond of Germany and German culture and he supported the Nazis and of course the Nazis themselves sent out the best representatives to present their philosophy, their ideology, in the most attractive way possible, and a lot of people bought it. Well, in a certain sense, this is part of what happens with a pathocracy. They adopt an ideology and then they take over the group that promotes this ideology and everything changes because the words remain the same but none of the actions are still the same.

Henry

* One of the things that Lobaczewski remarks in his book is that the people that get sent out, out of the country that has been ponerized, that the pathocracy has taken over, they know that they have to send out representatives who are not...

Laura

* Terribly abnormal.

Henry

* Yeah, because then the rest of the World would see through them. So that the representatives that get sent out, are the ones who are as, have the greatest ability of putting on a facade,

Laura + Henry

* 1: A mask of sanity.
2: A mask of sanity, yes.

Laura

* Yes. So an any event this is exactly what happened then and it's kind of a curious parallel to think about it, because in the United Stated, for example, there was plenty of information available for what was being done in Germany: about the concentration camps, about the destruction of society, or the polarization of society against the Jews, and how they were being arrested in mass or being deprived of their rights, being forced to wear identifying marks on their clothing, how they were not allowed to keep their businesses, their possessions were being taken away from them, they were being killed. Many, many things were happening, and nobody in the World was listening, nobody was paying attention, or if they were, they were shoving it under the rug, they were turning their eyes away, it was somebody else's problem, you know, let somebody else do something about it and of course, you know, Germany then invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland, and then, you know, finally when they invaded Poland, Great Britain got involved in the War because, of course, they had a Treaty, a defense Treaty with Poland, and that was pretty much all she wrote at that point.

Joe

* Although leading up to the start of the Second World War, the mainstream media, at the time, in the U.K. and America was playing a very definite role in covering up the reality of the Nazi regime because as late as 1938, Hitler was appearing in the British popular monthly magazine called Home and Garden, or something like that, and he was being presented, either a picture of him at his

Laura

* [Overlapping] [Laura] At his Estate, you know, as a gentleman [Henry] Burgess(?) garden [Joe] at his estate in the country

Joe

* ..being presented as this dapper gentleman at his country Estate with his dogs and children. And this was 1938, you know, so, I mean...

Laura

* 1938, yeah...

Joe

* There's a lot to be said for [garbled], even back then, for the control of, the control exerted by the main stream media, [garbled - more than a lot] of people understood. Obviously all of it was going on behind the scenes, [garbled - or a lot of it].

Laura

* So the question, of course, is since we see a certain condition prevailing in the World today where there is outrageous injustice and violence, and nobody is really putting their finger on the real issue and it's like Norman Finkelstein wrote in his book "Beyond Chutzpah", that at this point in time nobody disagrees with the facts of where, when and how Israel was formed, that there were 700 or 800 thousand Palestinians living in the Country, it was not empty, it was not void of population, and Great Britain had promised the Arabic population their own government in the Sikes-Picot agreement and then they turned around and made the Balfour declaration and this was, what?, 1917?

Henry

* Hmm-hmm.

Laura

* And essentially gave the land that they had already promised the Arabs to have their own government and gave it to someone else, out from under them. I mean, just think the enormous unfairness of this. This was so outrageous an act that it's hardly comprehensible. And getting into the why and wherefores, about that, of course at the time there was plenty of media manipulation and there was even an interesting event that took place right at that time that included Howard Carter who was the discoverer of the tomb of Tutankhamun and apparently there were several scrolls, manuscripts discovered in the tomb, and this was widely reported in the media for about a period of two weeks, and then it disappeared and all of a sudden it was covered up and it was said "Oh no, they mistook some rolls of linen" and it wasn't until several months later that apparently Howard Carter, in a... and this was after, of course, after Lord Carnarvon had died, mysteriously, I should add, that Howard Carter threatened the British officials with revealing the contents of the scrolls which were the true story of the Exodus, which is apparently found written on scrolls and papyrus in the tomb of Tutankhamun. And this was covered up, hushed up, by the British government.

Henry

* We can only assume that if it was covered up and hushed up, it's because the story of the Exodus that was given in these papyri did not match the story that was, came down in the Bible.

Laura

* Exactly. That it would undoubtedly, completely undermine the claim of the Zionists that they had a right to Israel, that there was an exodus, as it had been described. But in any event, during the course of this court battle that Howard Carter was waging with the Egyptian government, which was going on at that time, there was an enormous amount of media manipulation which was clear and evident, which was a form of mind control. And then later, the same type of media management took place prior to World War Two, which was a curious thing because, on the one hand, there were many, many Jews who owned these media organs who covered up and suppressed the reports of their own people being brutally treated, even murdered, and at the same time, there were other groups that were pressing for the United States to get into the War, it was as though... you know, if you looked at it from the outside without having any knowledge of an intention you would think that the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. But once you come to the understanding, which Norman Finkelstein has documented, that they very much intended to create a terrible catastrophe, a genocidal event that would engender sympathy for a group of people in order to give them the right to take over over this piece of real estate which belonged, at the time, to the Palestinians. So, in a certain sense, it's very easy to see that the thing was being manipulated by British and American interests. British imperialism, of course, at the time, was very interested in having someone who was beholden to them and who they thought they could control, occupying Palestine.

Henry

* It was a way to keep the Arabs divided.

Laura

* Right. And, so there was that, but still there's... it's still hard to explain the silence of the whole rest of the World. For example, France was quite nonchalant about the whole Hitler issue, I mean, Hitler was right next door, he was doing what he was doing, he was invading Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, every place, and they basically did nothing, you know, they were so interested in their own internal affairs and their own internal arguments, you know, the divisiveness going on in their own Country, that it wasn't until the Nazis arrived on the doorstep of Paris that they realized that it was a real danger. And so it is through history again and again and again, people try to sweep it under the rug and they do not realize until it is upon them that it's real and it can happen to them right there on their doorstep. And this is a curious feature of human nature. It's almost as though it's not even necessary to use mind control or brainwashing techniques.

Joe

* Part of the problem, I think, is that people obviously believe government leaders when they say that they are going to wage war or going to invade another country for a specific reason. And obviously, its reasons that they give [that] are always associated with some ideal that, if not the whole World can identify with, and the people in the specific country can identify with, but generally they're honourable and noble ideals. The people aren't told why, the real reasons that a country or an army is invading a country or doing what they're doing when we see this in Israel at the minute, the official story from the Israeli government is that they're invading Lebanon and the bombing that they're carrying out, are to defend Israel, to defend Israeli people. So that's a noble idea, Right? Everybody can agree that defending yourself is a noble idea. So everybody, the people in ordinary countries, the ordinary people of any [garbled - certain] country, when they hear this will just believe it, because they can't really believe any government leader or group of leaders, would invade another country just simply for self-interest and that they would engage in mass murder of ordinary, innocent civilians for their own political gain. They never, never, never believe that or able to go there.

Laura

* And the reason for this is, it seems to me, what Joe just said, is that they can't believe it. And why they can't believe it, why the average person cannot believe that there are evil people who would do evil things like this for their own self-interest is because the majority of human beings aren't like that.

Joe

* They wouldn't do it themselves.

Laura

* [Emphasis] They wouldn't do it themselves.

Laura

* And because they wouldn't do it themselves, and all of us tend to think that other people are like us.

Henry

* [Henry or Joe] Hmm-hmm.

Laura

* And when somebody does something aggressive towards us, we tend to assume that they are stressed, or they are unhappy, or they... some sort of pressure is on them, that makes them behave in an unkind way. And even with people who repeatedly, historically throughout their entire lives are constantly aggressive and mean to other people, their families may defend them as being "oh well, he's just, he just has an artistic temperament" or "he's just a rogue" or "he's just eccentric" or they make excuses for them, "he's just that way", you know, "Uncle Charlie, you have to put up with him."

Henry

* "He's under a lot of stress these days".

Laura

* Yeah. And people make excuses for these things because they are projecting onto this person their own ability to have empathy and to feel for other human beings. They cannot believe that somebody would do something so mean and so cruel because they wouldn't do it themselves. THAT is the CHIEF tool that is used against normal people in terms of brainwashing and mind control. They use their own minds against them.

Joe

* So, brainwashing isn't really as bizarre or "out there", or the concept of brainwashing isn't as "far out there" as a lot of people believe. I mean, they think it's got to do with waves being beamed into people's heads and turned into zombies or assassins. But it's much more mundane than that or it's much more widespread, obviously, for a reason.

Laura

* Well, that leads us, of course, to the subject of this so-called "Greenbauming", this Greenbaum procedure for creating a split personalities or dissociative states. We did a discussion on dissociative states some time ago, and it would probably be useful to review that particular broadcast to understand what we mean by a dissociative state. But the thing is that everybody that goes into dissociative states, at one time or another in their lives, and some people do it quite frequently, and some people do it a lot during any given day, some people do it more than others. When you go to a movie and you forget your own life and you are completely involved in the characters of the movie, the drama of the movie, the action of the movie, you are in a dissociative state. The same thing happens when you are watching television, playing video games... any numbers of situations can bring on a dissociative state. People learn to disassociate when something unpleasant happens because then they don't have to necessarily deal with it. Children disassociate very easily. Now, the idea of the Greenbaum mind-programming project was brought to the public by a Doctor Corydon Hammond, and I believe we have a copy of this lecture that he gave to a... let's see, who did he give this thing to?

Henry

* We should say for a good introduction to dissociative states, the book "The Myth of Sanity" by Martha Stout is excellent.

Laura

* Excellent, yes. Ok, the Greenbaum Speech was a lecture given D. C. Hammond and it was originally entitled "Hypnosis in Multiple Personality Disorder: Ritual Abuse". It was delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, on June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. The conference was sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. Now tapes and transcripts of this lecture were once available from Audio Transcripts of Alexandria, Virginia. From what I understand, tapes and transcripts of other sessions from the conference are still being sold but for some reason, not this particular lecture. The reason we have a copy of it is because there was a private tape made of the lecture and it was privately transcribed. Now, this Dr. Hammond talks about this particular mind-control program as being an off-shoot of projects that Nazi scientists, doctors, psychiatrists, etc were working on when they were imported into the United States at the end of World War Two. Now the thing that happened was, was that at the end of World War Two, of course, the United States military was quite convinced that the German scientists had made some extraordinary advances in technology and they very much wanted to have that technology for themselves at the Yalta conference where Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill met. It seems there was a little bit of unhappiness at the fact that Churchill and Roosevelt had to cede a great deal of control of European real estate to Stalin. They didn't like him and they trust him rightfully so. But nevertheless, they wanted to make sure that they had better firepower than he did to keep him under control. Now, it could also have been that they just simply met and agreed that "this is how we're going to divide up the World and then we will create a cold war just to keep everybody nervous, keep people from getting together" because the most important thing for pathocrats, for evil people in control of large populations, is to keep their populations in the dark about what they are doing. And to not ever let the populations wise-up to what they're doing because if the normal people ever really, really understood how evil they were they would rise up in masse against them and take them from power. So, the real enemy is the masses of people. That is the enemy of governments. That's who they are really trying to control under any and all circumstances. So, the United States wanted to get control of any and all German technology and scientific developments. And they decided to import all of these scientists. Of course, they were instructed to only being those who were able to pass a security clearance, that is, who were not guilty of war crimes. As it happened, the "Allan Dulles" and the people who were in charge with the task of bringing these scientists to the United States realized that there was almost none of them who were not guilty of war crimes. And so, they covered it up. They created falsified documentation for them, falsified records, brought them over under a program called Operation Paperclip, and installed them in laboratories, on military bases, and gave them funds and operational facilities, and put them to work. Apparently, among this group of scientists, there were psychologists, psychiatrists, medical doctors who were doing experiments in what can only be called mind-control, or controlling people's state of mind. So, without going into all the details, because you can get most of this by reading this Greenbaum lecture, the thing was, was that they learned how to deliberately disassociate the human being starting at a very early age and to create what could actually be the perfect spy or the perfect agent. And the reason that this was important to them is fairly obvious because if you're engaged in warfare against an enemy which heads of state are continuously engaged in warfare against enemies is as old as time. They want real estate, they want money, they want goods, they want resources, slaves, women, whatever. so having perfect spies who can either carry out your instructions, for example assassinating someone that you want to get out of the way or gathering information without ever being revealed as a spy that nobody can connect back to you, so you can always look like you're completely innocent "I don't have any spies in your country", so the way to do this is to create the perfect spy, the disassociated spy.

Henry

* One of the other aspects of it, was that the spy him or herself wasn't even aware that they were a spy so that if they were caught and if they were tortured, interrogated because it was a disassociated part of themselves that was the spy, the rest of the personality wasn't aware of it. So, under torture there was nothing they could say because...

Laura

* They would never reveal because they didn't know.

Henry

* Exactly.

Laura

* So this is what they were interested in doing was creating these kinds of spies and agents. So, this is the background of it. Apparently, what happened was, once they figured out that they could do this, they figured out that there were all kinds of interesting uses for such types of agents. They didn't necessarily have to be created to send to a foreign country to gather intelligence, nor did they have to be assigned to commit an assassination. Those things were, of course, important, but there was also so many other things they could do in terms of putting such individuals into the normal population. And to have them be vectors of attention, or vectors of direction to create nodal points around which certain ideas could be propagated. This is one of the elements of mind-control which is to have individuals who are so convinced, so full of belief about an ideology or something that is being presented or promoted by the government that they want other people to get behind and have ordinary members of society supporting it and believing it and promoting it and encouraging their neighbours by their example or by their words, or whatever, to do this. So, that's one thing. That can even be called a form of counter-intelligence, but then of course there's other things in which we see happening today which is, for example, serial killers.

Henry

* There was the example of the Washington sniper a few years ago and the very curious messages that the police were asked to read over the television to the sniper and they said these were messages that, I think, the sniper wanted, or the sniper asked them to read, but it could very well be that if the sniper was a "Greenbaum" victim that this was a controller that was putting out these messages and it was something, trigger words that would indicate to the guy to "Ok, forget about it, give up" or something like that.

Laura

* Yeah, and in case you're wondering why a government would want to have serial killers or mass murderers who get up in towers and shoot lots of people or, as they say so quaintly in the United States these days, "go postal", just consider, if you've seen this movie "V for Vendetta", the chancellor telling his minions that he wants people to be afraid, and he wants them to be very afraid and that they had even used a manufactured epidemic to make people afraid because when people are in fear THEN they will turn to what seems to be a strong leader to protect and defend them and will hand their will, hand their belief over to the this individual completely and totally. He kept hammering "make them KNOW how much they NEED us" because, of course, the greatest fear of a deviant psychopath in power is that, once again, ordinary people with conscience will figure out who they are, what they are, what they're doing, and will band together and oust them from power. The only way to keep in power is to continuously generate fear among a population and this is the primary usage of these "Greenbaum" victims, to be out and amongst the population, to commit crimes, to commit crimes of great violence, to be serial murderers, to be mass murderers of terrifying proportion, to even be so-called "terrorists". The uses of the Greenbaum method for creating terrorists are probably pretty self-evident. We don't for an instant think that 19 Arab terrorists had anything to do with 9/11, but there are certainly individuals who are being utilized in many other ways to produce terrorist activities throughout the World. Undoubtedly, many of them are mind-control victims, they don't even know what they are doing. They are completely.... Think of Sirhan Sirhan, who shot Bobby Kennedy, think of the individual who shot Martin Luther King...

Henry

* James Earl Ray.

Laura

* James Earl Ray, yeah.

Henry

* Jack Ruby...

Laura

* Jack Ruby, who was also undoubtedly a disassociated mind-control person and it was his job to shoot the patsy for the John Kennedy murder, which was Lee Harvey Oswald, because, of course, if Lee Harvey Oswald had ever been brought to trial and had ever been allowed to tell his side of the story or even possibly give testimony that lead to the production of evidence of what he was saying was true, then their whole lone shooter theory would have collapsed in flames and he had to be gotten rid of immediately.

Joe

* The interesting thing about Jack Ruby is that he, some people suggested that just before he shot Lee Harvey Oswald, a car horn sounded quite loudly

Laura

* In the parking garage

Joe

* Yeah. The building they were in and...

Laura

* And you can hear it quite plainly when you watch the video.

Joe

* And that this was used as the trigger.

Laura + Joe

* 1: This was the prompt... it was a car horn
2: It wasn't a word, it was just a, he was setup to act

Laura

* when the car horn went off...

Joe

* to act on the car horn

Laura

* he dissociated, became an assassin and that was all she wrote. So that's the main thing about the "Greenbaums". According to Dr. Hammond, most Greenbaum victims are children of military personnel or children who have been sent to certain private schools, where there's the possibility to have access to them two or three times a week, for a certain period of time when they're growing up to create these disassociated states, these alternate personalities which can then be utilized later on. For example, the McMartin pre-school scandal, now, this was completely politicized and even covered up but it seems very likely that this was in fact one of these types of operation where very young children were taken early and the process of disassociating them because apparently they start at the age of two and a half, three years old they begin to work on them to begin to produce these dissociative states and this was done through truly horrendous abuse. It's a pretty sick thing but that's apparently what is going on and like I said, the main reason that the majority of the population is subjected or susceptible to this kind of manipulation is because the majority of the population couldn't and wouldn't do it themselves and therefore they cannot believe that there are human looking beings who can, will, and do this sort of thing.

Henry

* OK, we've covered two levels of mind-control. We looked at the use of the press and the media in controlling the way people think. We've looked at the Greenbaum. The third level of mind-control or influence that we want to look at has to do with HAARP. Now, there are people that speculate that the HAARP system is for controlling weather. However, we have a different take on it and it goes back to the 1960s with the beginning of the upper atmosphere nuclear tests. And Laura talks about this in detail in "The Secret History of the World". Maybe she would like to give us a short recap.

Laura

* Yes, well, I don't have all my notes right at hand so I may not have all the names but...

Henry

* People can get that from the book.

Laura

* Yeah, read the book. Read the book, it goes into some details, gives names, footnotes, cites the sources, etc. Apparently, it was discovered that through experimentation, once again with these kinds of things that were offshoots from the Nazi scientists, that... well, obviously, being able to control your alter personality, your "Greenbaum" types by, at a distance, is going to be an important factor. You want to be able to give them messages, you want to be able to trigger them, you want to be able to give them instructions, at a distance, because there may be circumstances where you don't have any other means of control. So being able to communicate with them at a distance without any intermediary system was one of the considerations that these types of researchers were looking at. And that probably was the beginnings of this particular type of research which dealt with putting, using different kinds of carrier waves to transmit information or instructions over the air. Well, of course, during the process they realized that these kinds of things were having affects on other people. For example, look at the so-called "alien abduction" issue, this is very likely a cover story that was created to mask the fact that they were experimenting with these types of things, with sending these types of instructions or learning how to modulate the transmission so that their "Greenbaum" type subjects could pick them up more easily. They were able, at a certain point, I believe in the late sixties, early seventies, to transmit words directly into the brain without any intermediary device, in other words, you didn't have to pick up a telephone, you're just sitting there in the room and it comes into your head. Of course, there's another technology that was used, and I think it was called a neuro-phone, it was very similar to the neuro-phone, where an individual would be taken in and disassociated and taught a certain code system. And this code system could be a series of dots and dashes, so to speak, or "ons" and "offs", or little beep tones, or whatever, and once the individual learned this in a disassociated state and it was embedded in their subconscious, later on, if the signal was sent to them, it could be sent to them at a very, very rapid speed because the subconscious could take it in and more or less unpack it in their brain and decipher what was being transmitted, even if they weren't consciously aware of it. There was a young kid in Australia a few years back who had kind of stumbled on some of this technology and he had a little web site about it, we were reading it with great interest, because he had learned about being able to transmit these kinds of signals through the skin. He was a University student and he got some of his friends to agree to be subjects in his experiments and what he would do is, he would put them under hypnosis, which is a disassociated state, and he would teach them this coded language which... probably a series of beep tones which represented letters and letters could be put together to make words, and words, sentences, etc. and it could all be speeded up very fast by means of technology because he could then take, say, for example, a game scenario from a video game, and run it through his computer program which then converted all of the words, like "joe got up out of bed at 7 O'clock in the morning and he went to the store and he bought a donut and drank some milk and then he got in his car and he drove to the park and went fishing." So, you have a simple little story like that and you'd convert it into this code and then you transmitted it to the recipient through their skin. He would actually put these little electrodes on their skin and by a series of pulses, it would go into their skin and by this tactile organ, it would then go into their subconscious mind, completely bypassing the conscious, the conscious was not aware, I mean, you know, I'm sure they were aware of the electrode and that there was a little buzzy feeling, but had no idea that an entire scenario in a period of five or ten minutes had been transmitted into their subconscious through their skin. And then they would get up, of course, and they would act out the scenario because by it being transmitted into their subconscious directly, they believed it was their own thoughts, they believe that they thought about getting up at 7:30 in the morning and going down to the store to eat a donut. They believed that since it was unpacking in their own subconscious that because they decided then to get into their car and drive to the park and go fishing, that it was their own thoughts that they were thinking about doing this and because they were thinking about doing it, that this is what wanted to do and they had NO idea whatsoever that this entire scenario has been transmitted into their subconscious through a little device, a little electrode that had sent the signals through their skin. Well, needless to say, in a very short period of time, this website disappeared from the Internet and we have never been able to find hide nor hair of this guy since. We suspect that he is probably working in an underground laboratory or somewhere because he had made this most interesting discovery pretty much on his own, so he was a pretty clever guy. He did, at the time, write about the fact that he experimented with this with several of his friends and that he stopped because some of these friends started going a little whacko on him. And they were not able to control, you know, what had been, something had been opened up inside them and they were not able to control what was going on. So, the thing is that it's very possible that when you put someone in a disassociated state and make them accessible to this kind of coded activity, God knows what's floating around out there in the atmosphere. They can get...

Henry

* So this brings us back to HARRP.

Laura

* And this brings us back to HAARP because, yes, once they had worked on these kinds of projects, then the idea was, of course, as I said, to get the information to your recipient, your designated agent, no matter where they are. Well, there's a problem with sending signals on the planet because the planet, as it happens, is round. And when you send certain types of waves, these waves, more or less travel in straight lines. And when you have a wave that is traveling in a straight line around a round planet, it doesn't really go around the round planet, it goes off into space. So, if you want to be able...

Henry

* So the aliens on other planets are picking these up, going crazy.

Laura

* Yeah... [Chuckling]

Joe

* A bunch of aliens going down to the store for donuts. [general laughter]

Laura

* Yeah, going down to the park and going fishing. So the thing was, was to... the idea came to create what they call a neutral cavity in the atmosphere which was to create a... basically, an enclosed cavity-type space for the use of these waves, so that when you send the wave out from, say, New York, or wherever, it will get to your agent in San Francisco or your series of agents. So, say you have ten or fifteen people that you've got programmed to go out and commit murders because you want to keep a certain population terrified because maybe they're getting too close to figuring out that their leaders are not what they are cracked up to be, they might be starting to band together and looking like they're going to be a little rowdy so you want to put them in a state of fear because as soon as they're in a state of fear, they're going to get back in line again. So, you create this neutral cavity for the purpose of being able to bounce your signals, so that it can hit your target and obviously with computer technology that can be pretty specific, they can cover a very specific area, they can target particular parameters, or perimeters, very specifically and precisely. So then, of course, then we get into the issue of HAARP because in order to produce other kinds of signals that actually affect, and here we're getting into another layer of so-called mind-control, controlling people's emotions. The Navy was doing some research, I believe, in the thirties or forties, and they discovered that extremely low frequency waves can produce changes in emotion or an emotional state, that they affect the body in a very particular way and it can cause the stimulation of secretions of a particular hormones and neuro-chemicals. So, experimenting with all these different types of waves, naturally, you want to have a facility where you can produce any or all of them and you want to have to ability to cover as large an area as possible, say, all of North America, maybe even Central America. And to be able to send out any group of signals or combinations of signals to any numbers of places at any given time. You know, you've got a problem here and you want to target that particular area, you've got a problem over there, so you want to have a different signal, a different message going there. So, you've got to have a very large facility to produce all of these things and they have to be string enough, of course, to do the job, and so voila!, you build something like HAARP, which is a transmitting station and then you make a cover story saying that it's for weather control or it's for dabbling with the weather which, you know, I mean, people would say [in voce] "Well, why would they say that they're, you know, that they're trying to mess with our weather because that's an evil thing and people are gonna after 'em". Well, the thing is, is that they know that people are going to think they're up to something so they want them to think that they're up to wrong thing, the different thing, and then you have things like so-called "chemtrails", clearly there is some amount of chemtrail activity that is designed to produce sickness in people because that keeps them believing that it is just designed to produce sickness in them and then they don't realize that what chemtrails are really for is to put certain particulate matter into the upper levels of the atmosphere to create the neutral cavity for the facilitation of the waves, from such a facility as HAARP. And there you have it. You have the most complete technological mind-control system that has ever been dreamed of, I mean, the Atlanteans couldn't have done better with their so-called "crystal mind-control" and here you have, they're doing this, they don't have to implant anything into you, there doesn't even have to be aliens for this to work.

Joe

* Well, the other thing about HAARP being... the story that HAARP is a myth to do with weather control is that controlling the weather is a lot more innocuous than controlling human beings.

Laura

* Well, you can always say, "Yes, we've doing experiments with weather control because we knew global warming was coming and we were just trying, we were just doing it for YOU. We were just trying to find out save YOU from suffering, all you poor, pitiful people who are going hungry now because there's famines, there's drought, and there's floods in other places, and you're without electricity. We were just doing for YOU."

Henry

* Well, that gives us a nice lead in to what may be the final part of the discussion tonight which had to do with cyclic catastrophes and how mind-control relates to cyclic catatrophes.

Joe

* Well, the obvious way that mind-control relates to cyclic catastrophes, is that cyclic catastrophes are real, and just about nobody on the planet believes they're real. Well then that's a good argument for stating that this is more mind-control.

Laura

* It distracts people. Mind-control distracts.

Henry

* It distracts people and it's also if you know that there is a cyclic catastrophe coming you need to prepare the population. One way of preparing them would be to let everybody know that it's coming, so that everybody is aware of it and can take whatever precautions that are necessary.

Laura

* To work together...

Henry

* To work together, exactly.

Laura

* And spend money on preparations and research and so on and so forth. But...

Henry

* This is obviously NOT the scenario that they've chosen. What they've chosen is keep everybody in the dark, the "mushroom" scenario and not only keep them in the dark but render people as passive and as susceptible to becoming victims as possible.

Laura

* And there's a reason for that. Because once again when you begin to think about psychologically deviant human beings who stay in power by virtue of their ability to dupe and deceive the majority of the population, that means that when the majority starts getting to be a little bit big, they want to reduce that number. And this has been, historically speaking, this has been what has happened throughout history. For example, the situation in World War Two when they were committing genocide on the Jews. There's sufficient evidence to show that it was the psychologically deviant Jews who were the ones who were working with the Nazis because, of course, the normal people, people with conscience, people with feeling, would not do that, they would not betray their own kind. Here you almost can't even talk about in terms of religion or ethnicity, just betraying another human being. Normal people are not going to do it. However, deviants do it because they don't see normal people as being their own kind. For them it's every man for himself, dog eat dog World.

Joe

* More than that, they don't feel any empathy.

Laura

* They don't feel any connection. So, of course, there's sufficient evidence to suggest that it was the psychologically deviant Jews who were working with the Nazis selecting who did and who did not get exterminated or eliminated, which meant that they were able to select their own kind for preservation and to make sure that the normal people, the people who would not betray other human beings were the ones who went to their deaths, which means that a vast majority of Jews that survived the Holocaust were the psychologically deviant and not the normal ones. Which is a whole other problem itself, because now you have a large population of deviants running an entire country in Israel and you have as many more of those deviants in dominant positions in the media and banking and in other businesses throughout the World, corporations and so forth. Because the fact is, is that these particular types of deviants, psychopaths and related pathologies do very well in business, they do very well in any kind of thing where betraying a friend or betraying the trust of other human beings or using other human beings is the thing that gets you on top, climbing on the backs of other people to get to the top, so they do very well in that kind of a World, the capitalistic World, in fact. So, you have quite a number of these deviants who realize that if the rest of the population of the World, the normal people, ever wake up to who they are and what they are doing, and what they have DONE already within recorded history, that they will be removed from power and very likely exterminated themselves. This is, for them, not an acceptable option. So what are they going to do? They are disparately working to keep as many people ignorant of what is happening to this planet as possible so that as many normal people will be kept in the dark so that they will DIE, while the pathologically deviant individuals, and I don't want to call them human beings, even, will survive. They will survive in their bunkers, they will survive with all their oil intact, they will survive with their piles of gold and there probably will be five, ten million normal people who actually do survive. I mean, we're talking about global cataclysms that could easily wipe out 90 to 96% of the planet's population in a very short period of time. Once this happens then there will be just enough of those other people, those normal people, to be the slaves to the pathologically deviant who will still be in power, which is their plan. That is the ultimate, the ultimate reason for the use of mind-control and the ultimate reason for why things are the way they are on this planet today and it has nothing to do with races or ethnicities or even religions, except that those things are used to control and divide people. It has to do with two type of human beings. It has to do with normal people who are the majority, people who have feelings, emotions, people who care about other people and individuals that are born without that organ of caring, who are born lacking something significant that normal human beings have and take for granted, the evolutionary substratum that helps us to identify with one another and to support one another, to take care of one another, so that when one mother who is Arabic sees another mother who is Jewish who has a sick baby, she will help her and the same thing for the Jewish mother who sees the Arabic mother with the sick baby, because they are mothers and they care for each other, for other human beings, they will help each other. And these are the things that are lacking and these are the things that are being manipulated out of us, that are being mind-controlled out of us, this ability to say "this is wrong, somebody is being hurt and it is my job, my duty to stand up and to help them".

Joe

* First and foremost, I am a human being. Before I am an Arab, before I'm a Jew, before I have any religious affiliation, before I have any racial affiliation, that I am a human being. And we notice that this is one of the things that has really not existed among Humanity for millennia, since the introduction of organized religion

Laura

* Yeah.

Joe

* and other deliberately created divisions...

Laura

* ...being able to see this kind of division.

Joe

* These artificial concepts that have been foisted on people of being Christian or Muslim or seeing themselves as being from one racial division, first and foremost, rather than their own Humanity.

Laura

* It seems that in some of the more ancient teachings you can see traces of this idea that there were two different types of human looking beings, there were human beings who cared about other human beings, who did their duty, who were honourable and noble and sacrificing themselves for other people and then there were the other kind, and you find the traces of this in some of the most ancient teachings. So, even from one of the more, the most ancient of all, which is the Bible says that the sons of God looked on the daughters of men and say that they were fair, and took wives of them and that was the mixing of the genetics. So now, any given family, be it by, due to the laws of genetic recombination can produce, a normal family can produce a psychopath or a psychopathic couple can produce a normal child, a child who has emotions, a child who has the normal substratum of the human being. This is really kind of tragedy when you think about it because we are all mind-controlled or brainwashed to believe that everyone has a soul, everyone is the same, and they're all like us. But they're not. and that's the real difference between human beings, it has nothing to do with race, religion, colour, ethnicity, or union affiliation.

Joe

* Just getting back to question, which was from a reader, which was the cyclical catastrophes, what the reader wanted us to talk about was the natural cyclical catastrophes but what you just said brings up an interesting idea, in that there, certainly there are natural cyclical catastrophes and there's lots of evidence, well, there's a certain amount of evidence for that, but we could also say that cyclical catastrophes have another source, a man made source, or as you said you didn't want to call them human beings, but certainly there can be catastrophes brought on by the actions that this bloody minded inhuman view of the World that psychopaths have and certainly if such people rise to positions of almost complete power that they could very easily introduce a catastrophe, a World-wide catastrophe, and may have done in the past. Who's to say that certain events in the long distant past were not precipitated by such people.

Laura

* Well, in a certain sense, you could think about this in term of ecological studies of animal populations, for example, taking a particular eco-system that is inhabited by foxes and rabbits, for example, and studying the population of rabbits relative to the population of foxes over a long period of time and you'll notice that for a period of time, the rabbits will multiply exponentially and then the foxes will begin to kill and eat the rabbits and because there are plenty of rabbits, there is plenty of food for the foxes, so the foxes will get fat and sassy and will produce more offspring and then there will be more and more foxes, eating more and more rabbits, until the point comes when all the rabbits are gone, or nearly all the rabbits, except for the very smart ones. And then the foxes begin to starve to death or to eat each other because there are not enough rabbits to feed them. And as soon as the population of foxes have been reduced, then, once again the population of rabbits begins to grow, and then the whole thing cycles over and over again. Well, this is probably what is very similar to what happens to these two types of human beings. Whenever the pathological minority begins to grow in number exponentially, as it seems to have been doing for, oh, probably the past forty, fifty years, with the whole free love thing of the sixties, it was very easy for psychopaths to travel around the country and propagate offspring in mass, because any given psychopath can impregnate hundreds of women in his lifetime because he goes along impregnates one, he disappears, abandons her, goes and impregnates another, has multiple wives, or whatever. While the normal human beings, they form committed relationships and one couple will produce a limited number of children of the normal ilk, so they don't have the possibility of producing as many offspring as psychopaths have, so when you have a society such as we had in the sixties and seventies, where the theme of the time was free love, free sex, you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with, etc, there was undoubtedly a whole generation of many, many, many psychopaths being born because of this particular attitude, this... And we see now the whole idea of the Christian Right to deny a woman an obortion if she's been raped, or morning after pills, or whatever, and that is just something that facilitates the expansion of the numbers of psychopaths of psychologically deviant human beings in the human population. Stepping back from it coldly, just look at it, it's just like rabbits and foxes, and there are many, many foxes right now and only the smart rabbits are gonna survive.

Henry

* We'll end it there for this week. If you'd like to discuss any of the ideas that we have raised, you can come to the Signs of the Times forum, there is a link off of the Signs of the time page at www.Signs-of-the-Times.org. This week we're going to leave you with a little music that came out of France following the Zidane head-butt incident. It is a song that was written the following day that has...

Joe

* Caught on.

Laura

* Taken the World by storm.

Henry

* Taken the World by storm, yeah, it's caught on like wildfire.

Joe

* It's the top of the charts in France, at least.

Laura

* And they're even going to create a new dance out of it, where you just go and head-butt your partner.

Henry

* Make sure it's a psychopath. [Laughter] So thank you and we'll see you next time.

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henry said:

What we have blanketing parts of Texas--the whole north Gulf Coast really--and Austin is microwave towers. And now everybody has a phone glued to their head anywhere they go, even have those 'blue tooth' things stuck in the ear.

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the rabbit said:

In the past ive been involved with a number of online music sites which have been quite vibrant , and now there like ghost towns.

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SAO said:

Anyway, this intense focus on getting people to listen to music all the time and everywhere they are stinks to high heaven. They don't even need to put programming in the music itself, people are too busy listening to music to have any time to think or pay any attention.

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