The Real World > Religion

The Origin and Significance of the Magen David

<< < (2/6) > >>

Vulcan59:

--- Quote from: rs on May 16, 2010, 07:26:43 AM ---Just thought it might help.  As I said, if it is pointless, I can fully accept that and "give it up".

--- End quote ---

No worries.  :) Let's use the time usefully. Maybe we'll learn something, OSIT. I'll start with the word "Saturn".


--- Quote from: Online Etymology ---Saturn = O.E. Sætern "Italic god," also "most remote planet" (then known), from L. Saturnus, Italic god of agriculture, possibly from Etruscan. Derivation from L. serere (pp. satus) "to sow" is said to be folk-etymology. Identified with Gk. Kronos, father of Zeus.  Also the alchemical name for lead (late 14c.). In Akkadian, the planet was kaiamanu, lit. "constant, enduring," hence Heb. kiyyun, Arabic and Pers. kaiwan "Saturn."
--- End quote ---


--- Quote from: Dictionary ---Saturn
–noun
1.
an ancient Roman god of agriculture, the consort of Ops, believed to have ruled the earth during an age of happiness and virtue, identified with the Greek god Cronus.
2.
Astronomy-the planet sixth in order from the sun, having an equatorial diameter of 74,600 mi. (120,000 km), a mean distance from the sun of 886.7 million mi. (1427 million km), a period of revolution of 29.46 years, and 21 known moons. It is the second largest planet in the solar system, encompassed by a series of thin, flat rings composed of small particles of ice.
3.
Alchemy-the metal lead.
4.
a U.S. space-vehicle booster developing from 2 million to 9 million lb. (900,000 to 4 million kg) of thrust for launching satellites, probes, and spaceships.
--- End quote ---


--- Quote from: Science Dictionary ---The sixth planet from the Sun and the second largest, with a diameter about ten times that of Earth. Saturn is a gas giant that is almost as large as Jupiter in diameter but with only about 30 percent of Jupiter's mass. Its mainly gaseous composition together with its rapid axial rotation (it rotates once every 10.5 hours) cause a noticeable flattening at the poles and a prominent equatorial bulge. Saturn is encircled by a large, flat system of rings made up of rock fragments and tiny ice crystals, first observed by Galileo in 1610. The rings are believed to be unstable and therefore likely of recent origin; they may have been formed from bodies such as asteroids or moons that were shattered as they approached closer than the Roche limit. Saturn has numerous moons, of which the largest is Titan, the second largest moon in the solar system after Jupiter's Ganymede and larger than both Mercury and Pluto.
--- End quote ---


--- Quote from: Cultural Dictionary ---The Roman name for one of the Titans, the father of Zeus. In Roman mythology, Saturn fled from Mount Olympus after Zeus defeated the Titans. He settled in Italy and established a golden age, in which all people were equal and harvests were plentiful. Note_1: Saturday (“Saturn's day”) is named after Saturn. Note_2: Saturn, often called the most beautiful planet, is known for the rings that encircle it.
--- End quote ---

Laura:
Now, what we need is Clube's "The Cosmic Serpent" and "The Cosmic Winter" in scanned/text format because his findings about the names of planets that were originally the names of threatening comets, put together with what is in this paper, is quite revelatory.

Shijing:
So the main idea is that worship of a recovered comet fragment, representative of the perceived power of one or more comets that had been involved in cataclysms in this part of the world, was transferred to Saturn (represented by the "Star of David"), and this worship entailed, among other things, human sacrifice for appeasement to ensure that future cataclysms did not occur.  This worship of Saturn then found itself in tension with and was ultimately grafted onto the Jewish worship of Yahweh, and finally manifested variously in Judaism and Islam (the latter of which preserved the worship of the comet fragment) -- do I have that right?

Nomad:
fascinating.

God threw a stone (comet 'Saturn') at the earth to quell the rising floodwaters, which then subsided so rapidly that the earth was menaced by a drought.

Jews as inadvertant comet worshippers?  :lol:

Laura:

--- Quote from: Shijing on May 16, 2010, 09:49:23 AM ---So the main idea is that worship of a recovered comet fragment, representative of the perceived power of one or more comets that had been involved in cataclysms in this part of the world, was transferred to Saturn (represented by the "Star of David"), and this worship entailed, among other things, human sacrifice for appeasement to ensure that future cataclysms did not occur.  This worship of Saturn then found itself in tension with and was ultimately grafted onto the Jewish worship of Yahweh, and finally manifested variously in Judaism and Islam (the latter of which preserved the worship of the comet fragment) -- do I have that right?

--- End quote ---

That pretty much nails it.

It could also be speculated that a whole lot of so-called religious beliefs and activity was similarly generated.  For example, a landing site of a comet/meteorite body could become either demonic or a place of the "gods."   Or a place where someone was standing when witnessing a distant atmospheric explosion.  Myths would be built up around it such as the story of the transfiguration on the mount with Jesus and the prophets.

A very good way to get a handle on how all this comes about is to read "Man and Impact in the Americas" by Grondine and "The Diluvian Impact" by Heinrich P. Koch.  

Then it is also useful to have read Firestone, West and Warwick-Smith 's "The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophe" as well as the various works on the topic by dendrochronologist Mike Baillie.  

Once a very good scientific picture is formed of what likely took place at VARIOUS times in the past, the facts on the ground, so to say, then the mythical elements can be sorted out and understood as how either normal people tried to understand things beyond their ken, or how pathologicals took those events and used them to service their own agendas, or both, as is most likely the case.

Of course, knowing how the natural world works in a truly scientific way does not exclude elements of hyperdimensional interactions and/or manipulation, but one needs to be careful about interpreting these things.

In other words, looking for the scientific facts does not mean we are not also looking for the hidden elements, the pattern, that may reveal a larger context.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page