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Keit - to develop ability to sense words - what books to read?

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The Gardener:

--- Quote from: Goodot ---So to 'read' someone who is not present, on the net, for instance, recquires working out their native language background first of all... Then there is their personal vocabulary.
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Today I received a email from a woman that I do not personally know. As I was reading the exposittions on this tread, I was trying to understand the ideas (I totally failed on reading anyone of you guys-except Keit, I sence is a she, and i senced happyness on her soul), when this quote I made on Godot ringed a bell on me: He is right. The email I have got from this woman, is in spanish and she is mexican too. I have little email activity in spanish. Most is in english. But what stricked me almost like a slap on my face (and I cannot do this on english), was her "load" of energy: A imposittion of her personality, as if the plan she courrently has for her life were the priority, beyond the message she was trying to convey. As if she had too much "intencity" on her purpose, so this "intencity" started to pour-out from her message, despite her efforts to try to maintain focus (she failed anyway).
I do not know if this relates to what has been exposed so far, but only on the example I am giving, I have sensed something more than the mere understanding of someone's angerness when, by instance, writes while being angry: I think everybody can tell about this. So the catch is to pick-up something else in the writting of a person who is writting in a angry or happy or whatever state. And this something seems to be more prevalescent that the actual, literal, conceptual message, and to that, one needs to master the languaje in question.
And I gather from all the participations the thing is to try it.


--- Quote from: Keit ---By developing ourselfs, we broaden our awareness and perception. And we do it by creating new thought pathways with something we call outside reality.
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Keit has offered very interesting analisis on FRV and how this integrates the tissue of reality.
See, my problem has been my lack of belief (on reincarnation, on the C's, on... on my self!), thats why, as a first step, the perceptions beyond the norm have been difficult to understand for me. This has been modificating little by little since some time ago (producing extraordinary effects in my life), and I came to understand that, without a belief or a disposittion to consider new stuff, the access is guarantee to be sealed.
Without a exposittion of the self to this atmosphere (to open one's self to the "winds"), no search gives any results.
This is the second step on developing our selfs, as Keit writes: To broad our awareness. And that broads our perception.
With this "gate open" on one, something outside reality has then a way to step in, and this produces new thought pathways --->This is what I meant when I said "to try it".
One then has the work to build all this into sence, by maybe manufacturing our own personal methodology as to get to sence, or to interpret perceptions.
I think this is a more concrete avenue than the one about Tonalk and Nagual, which I find rather... er... autoctonous and ideosincratic -and not as universal as to "create new thought pathways".

Carpe:
Hi!  
Uuuuuhhh!  Just speechless! Thank you, Keit,  Godon, Esoquest, the Gardener, Kenlee for your insights and advices.
There is no other place on the net where  questing for truth and "reality check" go to the very bottom of abyss clouded by interminable layers of lies.  Well maybe somewhere forum(s) like sott do exist, but I'm not going to spend the rest of life looking for the second forum like sott! Where else I could study "what is inside" myself, observe myself and others (the right word would be trying to ...) and share insights and experiences? I don't mean to say this as compliment but as words that resonate deep inside.  I need to digest what you wrote but it seems you rounded the problem from different angles.
Working with other languages to see the pattern of words:  

--- Quote ---Kei wrote:
Everyone of us heard ones some foreign language we are not familiar with. And we always can spot some specific impression this language creates.[...] After we learn the language, we lose this "objective" ability to sense it from outside. So if this is possible, listen to completely foreign language (but without watching a person) and try to feel a meaning, emotion, anything behind it. Just listen to a flow without trying to understand it. It can be done with familial language as well, but foreign is much easier at first.
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I can't but add a bit of personal experience here. First Castaneda book I ever read was in English, second one I picked up was in Spanish. That sounded really terrific: to practice spanish  and to read about Toltecs path - sounded like "all in one package". So, i bought a book, and noticed that spanish text really had a "gut feeling" as Keit put it. It had that authenticity of experience i didn't feel in english version. So, i started looking for Castaneda's books in spanish intentionally and all other  books i read were in spanish. Here to omit that i definitely passed more time embracing Larousse than Castaneda's text but it was ok until I read a series of books on Toltecs path and analysis of Castaneda paradigm by russian Alexei Ksendzyuk. And there i heard micro splash of "worls in collision". It was (and still is) quite a challenge to me to meet the ends of Castaneda in 3 languages (sott forum - Castaneda's books  i read in spanish and Ksendzyuk analysis in russian). There is a path of Fool, but if there were a path of a stupid idiot,  I would follow that one! One of Ksendzyuk's books is "Seeing Nagual".  Actually you can't see (feel study smell ...) nagual as you can't Do anything about tao. If there is any description that isn't nagual. Ksendzyuk wrote in foreword: " The title of the book isn't advisable to percieve literally. It is self-evident that it's impossible to see nagual - neither with common means nor with toltec seeing. In all instances we can only imply maximal approximation of our perceptions to true Reality of nagual. But in the case of Toltec path of knowledge "break" into nagual is so overhelming that author decided to permit such poetic "voluntarism" in giving this book a title."  Book analyses lucid dreaming and "seeing" and proposed special methods and techniques practised by Ksendzyuk. I don't know if any of his books on Castaneda and toltec path were translated in english, I read only Florinda Donner book and didn't get it.  If my spanish were any better may be it would be not so time consuming as it takes quite a bit to clear mind and meet ends.  Last week I bought Castaneda in russian and will re-read both series.
Learning to perceive message behing words will be a challenge to me. I noticed when it comes to speak or write about myself words very often become like clouded and i can't see myself beyond that clouds. Long way to perspire, and I'm really happy (it' not the right word again!) to be here to listen and learn. Thank you for suggestions, I have to perspire them  now!!

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