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FOTCM Statement of Principles
Laura:
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--- Quote from: Serg on March 14, 2012, 09:59:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Laura on March 14, 2012, 09:47:52 PM ---
You might suddenly find yourself in agreement with their beliefs, yes?
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No, and I don't want to. :)
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Maybe Laura was subtly suggesting you to consider taking advantage of these exemptions in the law in order to exchange the military service for something more benign... Or maybe she wasn't. ;)
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Or maybe she was. As Gurdjieff said, sincerity with everyone is weakness.
Serg:
--- Quote from: Laura on March 14, 2012, 11:14:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Windmill knight on March 14, 2012, 10:16:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: Serg on March 14, 2012, 09:59:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Laura on March 14, 2012, 09:47:52 PM ---
You might suddenly find yourself in agreement with their beliefs, yes?
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No, and I don't want to. :)
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Maybe Laura was subtly suggesting you to consider taking advantage of these exemptions in the law in order to exchange the military service for something more benign... Or maybe she wasn't. ;)
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Or maybe she was. As Gurdjieff said, sincerity with everyone is weakness.
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Hmm... :evil:
I don't know what is worse. Once I had a chat with a religious man. He said a lot, I listen him. And he said that we all had to repent and to believe in Jesus(to accept him), because he shed his blood for our sins and the only way one can be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ, repent and follow what New Testament said. I asked him so what about the other people who believe in some other religion (Islam, Buddhism, ect) He replied that if they want to be saved they also had to do the same. Then I asked so what about different tribes, aborigines who had never seen the Bible, he said so that they couldn't be saved. It was unbelievable :evil: . However, he seems to be a good man.
On the other hand one of my relatives when he was in army, everybody were drug addicted and they forced other to do the same. He couldn't even write a letter home. But that somehow he did it and his mother moved him to another unit. And such stories there are a lot...
But I don't want to have brainwashing and have a lecture all the time I smoke, neither want to go to army. But there some other choices, for example continue studying.
Bobo08:
Military service is officially compulsory in my country (Vietnam) as well. However, there are many loopholes that you can make use of. One of them is to continue study, as you mentioned. Another frequently used method is just to have good relationship with the guy in charge of enforcing the recruitment so that he conveniently forgets about it. Often the guy is just someone in the neighborhood picked by the local government to manage official affairs in that neighborhood. Of course, he has to have some suitable "qualities" to be picked for that job so some extra "diplomacy" is in order. As the saying goes: Wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove.
Nienna:
--- Quote from: Serg on March 14, 2012, 11:44:18 PM ---Hmm... :evil:
I don't know what is worse. Once I had a chat with a religious man. He said a lot, I listen him. And he said that we all had to repent and to believe in Jesus(to accept him), because he shed his blood for our sins and the only way one can be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ, repent and follow what New Testament said. I asked him so what about the other people who believe in some other religion (Islam, Buddhism, ect) He replied that if they want to be saved they also had to do the same. Then I asked so what about different tribes, aborigines who had never seen the Bible, he said so that they couldn't be saved. It was unbelievable :evil: . However, he seems to be a good man.
On the other hand one of my relatives when he was in army, everybody were drug addicted and they forced other to do the same. He couldn't even write a letter home. But that somehow he did it and his mother moved him to another unit. And such stories there are a lot...
But I don't want to have brainwashing and have a lecture all the time I smoke, neither want to go to army. But there some other choices, for example continue studying.
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Do you have to join the church to say that you have their beliefs? If you don't have to have proof that you belong to the church, you just tell the recruitment officer that you do belong to the church and that it goes against your beliefs to kill another human being and to belong to a military agency, which is pretty much the truth, I think.
Serg:
--- Quote from: Nienna Eluch on March 15, 2012, 01:06:36 PM ---
Do you have to join the church to say that you have their beliefs? If you don't have to have proof that you belong to the church, you just tell the recruitment officer that you do belong to the church and that it goes against your beliefs to kill another human being and to belong to a military agency, which is pretty much the truth, I think.
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It won't work here, it is very strict and it has to be documented.
And the young man has to pass the commission. It's a group of people (different doctors), they look if you have some health problem. We also here have to pass this commission every year at school. I have some heath problem. Not so long ago when I make heart 'check'(heart diagram?). I was a little worried and my heart beats faster, so the diagram showed that I have tachycardia. My heart had 95 beats per minute at that time. A few days ago I got nervous and worried and I checked my heart and it was 124beats/minute. But I don't think that this would be enough for military. :cool2:
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