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FOTCM Statement of Principles
Windmill knight:
--- Quote from: Pashalis on November 21, 2010, 03:40:42 PM ---
--- Quote ---10. Materialism is false.
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How can you say that materialism is false ? As I understand it, it is just another way of existence (STS). without STS, STO could not exist and reverse.
wouldn't it be better to say "Materialism is an illusion" or "Materialism is not our way"?
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I think that the statement "materialism is false" means that it is not true that consciousness is just an accidental product of matter, or that consciousness cannot exist independently from matter, as many of our current scientists would claim.
What we believe is that consciousness is at the heart of creation - or it is at least just as essential as matter itself. Matter can be thought of as consciousness that went to 'sleep', i.e. consciousness that denied itself.
Mrs. Tigersoap:
--- Quote from: Pashalis ---How can you say that materialism is false ? As I understand it, it is just another way of existence (STS). without STS, STO could not exist and reverse.
wouldn't it be better to say "Materialism is an illusion" or "Materialism is not our way"?
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'Materialism is an illusion' is, to me, a typically Buddhist affirmation. It is often uttered by Zen teachers, the Dalai Lama, etc. By that they mean that we tend to get caught in what we perceive to be our reality, but that we are spiritual beings first and foremost. They think that we can become this 'spiritual being' here and now, and that anybody can do it, just as if 3D was a mere detail.
Whereas to me 'materialism is false' means that this idea which has been put forward by scientists that nothing exists except matter, means in fact that there is way more than matter and that in that respect, science is wrong.
So to me, 'materialism is an illusion' is a limited concept whereas 'materialism is false' reflects what we are trying to research on this forum. It is at least how I understand both sentences.
Saša:
Need a little help with:
--- Quote ---3. There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems (also art, etc.).
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Maybe it's nitpicking but what does "also art" refer to?
That there are systematic methods also for the art, that art is one of systematic methods for solving all problems, that there are systematic methods for the solution of art (in which case what would solution of art mean?) or something else?
My understanding is the first one but not sure if it's correct.
obyvatel:
--- Quote from: Sasa on May 20, 2011, 01:27:48 PM ---Need a little help with:
--- Quote ---3. There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems (also art, etc.).
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Maybe it's nitpicking but what does "also art" refer to?
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Maybe Gurdjieff's description of "objective art" could be relevant?
--- Quote from: ISOTM --- "In real art there is nothing accidental. It is mathematics. Everything in it can be calculated, everything can be known beforehand. The artist knows and understands what he wants to convey and his work cannot produce one impression on one man and another impression on another,presuming, of course, people on one level. It will always, and with mathematical certainty, produce one and the same impression.
"At the same time the same work of art will produce different impressions on people of different levels. And people of lower levels will never receive from it what people of higher levels receive. This is real, objective art. Imagine some scientific work—a book on astronomy or chemistry. It is impossible that one person should understand it in one way and another in another way. Everyone who is sufficiently prepared and who is able to read this book will understand what the author means, and precisely as the author means it. An objective work of art is just such a book, except that it affects the emotional and not only the intellectual side of man."
"Do such works of objective art exist at the present day?" I asked.
"Of course they exist," answered G. "The great Sphinx in Egypt is such a work of art, as well as some historically known works of architecture, certain statues of gods, and many other things. There are figures of gods and of various mythological beings that can be read like books, only not with the mind but with the emotions, provided they are sufficiently developed. In the course of our travels in Central Asia we found, in the desert at the foot of the Hindu Kush, a strange figure which we thought at first was some ancient god or devil. At first it produced upon us simply the impression of being a curiosity. But after a while we began to feel that this figure contained many things, a big, complete, and complex system of cosmology. And slowly, step by step, we began to decipher this system. It was in the body of the figure, in its legs, in its arms, in its head, in its eyes, in its ears; everywhere. In the whole statue there was nothing accidental, nothing without meaning. And gradually we understood the aim of the people who built this statue. We began to feel their thoughts, their feelings. Some of us thought that we saw their faces, heard their voices. At all events, we grasped the meaning of what they wanted to convey to us across thousands of years, and not only the meaning, but all the feelings and the emotions connected with it as well. That indeed was art!"
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Serg:
I want to ask one question about FOTCM: 6.7. On PaleoChristian Rights.
the question is: will I be dissmised from obligatory military service in my country(Ukraine)?
In our country every man from 18-25 must complete military service wich lasts 1 year.
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