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opiate withdrawal
RyanX:
Just as a disclaimer, I have no experience dealing with substance abuse, so this is just idol opinion:
At AA meetings, isn't the basic idea that one has to take full responsibility for one's actions and and the effects they've had on others? If one is still under the spell that the alcohol or the _______ decides one's actions, then there is no acknowledgment of responsibility, which implies that one has no control over the addiction itself.
Martha Stout says in the Myth of Sanity that those who recovered from DID by and large were patients who took responsibility for their actions, even those made outside of the awareness of their own personality. Maybe there is a parallel here between DID and other substance abuse addictions?
FWIW.
anart:
--- Quote from: RyanX on September 07, 2010, 10:37:24 PM ---Just as a disclaimer, I have no experience dealing with substance abuse, so this is just idol opinion:
At AA meetings, isn't the basic idea that one has to take full responsibility for one's actions and and the effects they've had on others? If one is still under the spell that the alcohol or the _______ decides one's actions, then there is no acknowledgment of responsibility, which implies that one has no control over the addiction itself.
Martha Stout says in the Myth of Sanity that those who recovered from DID by and large were patients who took responsibility for their actions, even those made outside of the awareness of their own personality. Maybe there is a parallel here between DID and other substance abuse addictions?
FWIW.
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Hi RyanX, it's my understanding that DID and substance abuse are two very different things. It's also my understanding that one doesn't recover from DID, though there are increasing levels of functionality.
I'm also quite interested in what the C's have to say about this.
RyanX:
--- Quote from: anart on September 07, 2010, 10:42:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: RyanX on September 07, 2010, 10:37:24 PM ---Just as a disclaimer, I have no experience dealing with substance abuse, so this is just idol opinion:
At AA meetings, isn't the basic idea that one has to take full responsibility for one's actions and and the effects they've had on others? If one is still under the spell that the alcohol or the _______ decides one's actions, then there is no acknowledgment of responsibility, which implies that one has no control over the addiction itself.
Martha Stout says in the Myth of Sanity that those who recovered from DID by and large were patients who took responsibility for their actions, even those made outside of the awareness of their own personality. Maybe there is a parallel here between DID and other substance abuse addictions?
FWIW.
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Hi RyanX, it's my understanding that DID and substance abuse are two very different things. It's also my understanding that one doesn't recover from DID, though there are increasing levels of functionality.
I'm also quite interested in what the C's have to say about this.
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Yes, that is correct Anart, one doesn't recover from DID. It's been awhile since I read Myth of Sanity, but I recall Martha Stout describing how some patients were able to better deal with this disorder after taking responsibility for their condition; my memory could have betrayed me though. Whether this is the case with substance abuse or not I don't know, it just struck me that AA groups were essentially trying to do the same thing, that is, encourage one to take responsibility for one's condition and behavior. They could just be apples and oranges though, even though the concepts are similar.
I'll be very interested in what the C's have to say about this as well.
Alana:
--- Quote from: ScottD on September 07, 2010, 10:21:56 PM ---Working within a substance facility I would definitely be interested in what answers comes out of this. I've always found it odd that detox treatment is always countered with more drugs, only "legal" ones, especially concerning methodone which is just as addictive as heroin.
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I worked with addictions myself, and it just made me so angry that big farma would get richer on people's suffering (and their families) on this issue too. And not many of the professionals i worked with (psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, etc) were willing to look into alternatives. It was easier for them this way i suppose. Same with mental illness: medication is the number one treatment and all other types of therapy are offered sometimes because the centers are required to offer them. In any event, i am too looking forward to see what the C's answer would be.
--- Quote from: ScottD on September 07, 2010, 10:21:56 PM ---Of course, the system thrives on people staying addicted.
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A reason more to find a way that truly helps anyone battling with opiate addiction in a healthy way. Thank you for asking your question, davey72 :flowers:
Buddy:
--- Quote from: Alana on September 07, 2010, 11:09:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: ScottD on September 07, 2010, 10:21:56 PM ---Of course, the system thrives on people staying addicted.
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A reason more to find a way that truly helps anyone battling with opiate addiction in a healthy way. Thank you for asking your question, davey72 :flowers:
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I'm very glad to see this! I second Alana with the thanks for asking the question! :)
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