opiate withdrawal

[davey72]

Very true,Truth seeker. That is the best revelation i have had i think, ever. Maya, i know a lot about self destruction,but the only reason i didn't commit suicide (for real) is because i made a deal with myself that i wouldn't when i was about 20. Just the opposite, i have always felt alone in every aspect of my life. The one thing that kept me going was the thought that i was here for a reason, and i felt that if i left that i would just have to do it again,and that scared me more than anything. It's funny looking back, but this is why the c's material has resonated with me right from the very first paragraph i had read. I guess deep down i knew a lot of these things, but it was everyone else trying to convince me different.

[davey72]

When i asked this question, and laura actually answered me, i was so overcome with emotion.i was balling with joy, and that's not like me. Ireally dont know what made me stay away from this forum, but i'm so glad i finally checked it out. I honestly didn't think laura was so accessible.

[Buddy]

When i asked this question, and laura actually answered me, i was so overcome with emotion.i was balling with joy, and that's not like me. Ireally dont know what made me stay away from this forum, but i'm so glad i finally checked it out.

[Jason (ocean59)]

When i asked this question, and laura actually answered me, i was so overcome with emotion.i was balling with joy, and that's not like me. Ireally dont know what made me stay away from this forum, but i'm so glad i finally checked it out. I honestly didn't think laura was so accessible.

I'm glad you've decided to stay awhile and contribute. The issues you describe are ones that I have watched many a life destroyed over, and have tried to help friends with over the years, but have only had limited successes - I too am curious what the C's would have to say. It is definitely no small issue, what with the war in Afghanistan and so many millions of addicted individuals both legally and otherwise. I've learned a lot of 'free-will' lessons in attempting to help addicted individuals, to say the least!

You can do it Davey, never give up, no matter how 'bad' it gets!

[Nienna]

Yes, that's also why I was a "lurker" for so long on this forum.  I won't let it keep me down, though.  For some reason, throughout my whole life, I have been carried along by something inside of me that won't let me quit, no matter how thin my self-esteem is spread.  Despite the struggle, I have a sense of having been protected in a profound way -spiritually protected, that is.  I suspect that on some level this "thorn in my side" is an attempt to separate me from others (by who?  by me?  outside of me? both?) and keep me in isolation.  And things can get kind of fuzzy when I start to try to separate "what has been done to me" from "what I do to myself".  My search for understanding has gone a long way to lift me to a vantage point where I can kind of observe myself from above, if that makes sense.  So things are better than they once were.  Consistent application of knowledge is where I get tripped up!  Can I get an "Amen!"?

P.S.) Journaling - along with EE, study, and prayer, helps trememdously.  I'm about ready to add the "diet" component now.

Amen!

MayaDawn, I'm very glad to see you have that inner voice inside of you that won't let you give up.  This is a very important component to have, or so I think.  And I am equally glad to see that you are doing EE and journaling.   Both of which will help davey72 if he would like to give it a try, if he isn't already doing so.

As far as low self-esteem, I am quite familiar with it.  And was able to, through much searching my various programs, to find many different sources that have caused this program to be.  Finding and getting these various programs under control is no easy matter, but the more you are aware of them, the easier it becomes to see them and shut them down to where they no longer have control over you.

Have you read any of the Narcissism Big 5 books yet?  These books really help to get us to be able to locate and understand the programs that are running us which then helps us to get them under control.

I'm hoping that your "I won't let it keep me down" attitude keeps on keeping on.  This inner fire to succeed and not be thwarted is a great friend to have.

[davey72]

Thank you all,especially Maya for joining my voice, and letting me feel better about my question.

[davey72]

I am feeling very off lately. Especially with my hearing. My ears are ringing constantly,and certain pitches make my ears vibrate, or something. I'm not quite sure how to explain it. It almost hurts. I am also very emotional lately, which is not like me at all. Along with other strange changes in my body that i notice,  It seems strange that all of this would be from withdrawal?

[Jason (ocean59)]

I am feeling very off lately. Especially with my hearing. My ears are ringing constantly,and certain pitches make my ears vibrate, or something. I'm not quite sure how to explain it. It almost hurts. I am also very emotional lately, which is not like me at all. Along with other strange changes in my body that i notice,  It seems strange that all of this would be from withdrawal?

I believe this is all quite normal. You may wish to do a Google search on opiate withdrawal for a more complete list symptoms. My understanding is that the effects can last for some months, it is indeed a long road back to 'normality.' A lot of rewiring is going on in your brain during this time.

I would second the recommendations of journaling and Eiriu Eolas breathing (minus the Beatha at first) as beneficial tools available to you during this difficult time.

[Trencavel]

Hello davey72.

I've been through a similar situation. I was a heroin user some years ago, and from personal experience, there's no easy way out.

It also depends on your dosage and how your body is accustomed to the substance. You may be at high risk to if you're not treated by a professional in the area. Believe me, I've seen horrible cases.

I highly recommend you to seek help in a rehab clinic, maybe smartrecovery can help you.

There are clinics who might treat you with a opiate substitute, but again, your body gets used to this substance and there's no end to the chain.

So my recommendation is to go out, seek help and learn from this experience in your life.

[aaron r]

Hi Davey, sounds like you are experiencing things you have not felt before in withdrawal. Are you still decreasing 2mg per week from 25mg daily. I would not expect you to get significant physical withdrawal from those numbers initially. A good guide is if you are getting really strong cravings to use you are decreasing to quickly. Slow down and resume when you feel ready.

If you are doing EE as recommended and changing your diet some of these experiences could be from that. You sound a little distressed to me and may need to slow things down a little.  aaron

[Al Today]

I don't have time to search right now, but I do believe to remember about some flushing therapy. I do not know what has happend about the procedure though. If it does work, TPTB probably buried it to keep us suffering needlessly. Kinda like dialysis where they flush out the system and toxins are removed. I had to throw this out while it's on my mind...

[crazycharlie]

I too would be interested in what the C's have too say  about this topic !
Got old X friends that could still be users .... ( I know where they are )
also how too quit  medical  *arijuana  ( there are nearly 100 dispensaries
in Colorado Springs ) at least thats what they say, I count around 40.
( but now the TAXES taken in are too good too put a stop to it . )

[davey72]

Thanks again all. I can only plug along,as i have figured out that nothing else will work for any extended amount of time.as far as what the c's have to say about this,i beleive they have already answered me through laura. I too was hoping for more, but this is wishful thinking. I guess the path of least resistance, i am learning, just doesnt work. One thing i would also mlike to ask laura is if the c's say i should get some help somehow, As in a treatment cntr, or should i continue doing it the hard way. I have impressed myself quite a bit, In turning things down, etc.as far as the cravings, i don't ever have cravings to get high anymore. I just crave being able to feel normal, whatever that is. At least not sick, as i have been very sick lately.ty again.

[Gimpy]

Thank you Maya. Beleive me, i don't have to imagine the angst, as i have been living through the same thing. It was one of the things that kept me away from this forum, as i didnt think i was even worthy until i actually was clean. I hope to see yer posts again,as it is nice to know that i am not alone.

Hi davey72!

Going through some links today I found one that might be helpful for you here: http://theroadback.org/JNK-Drug-Withdrawal.aspx

It has to do with stopping opiates, and I'm hoping it will provide some answers for you. 

[davey72]

Thanks Gimpy. Ya know, It makes me think about what i had said at the beginning of this thread that was moderator edited. If there was one more question i would like to hear from the c's about; It would be to know if if it is as effective as i have come to beleive it to be,as it apparently creates a neuron in your brain that isn't there to begin with.  ?