How to Deal with the Government

Hi,

I just like to say HI to everyone first since I'm just here to learn & listen! I would like to express what's been on my mind lately. When I listen to "Governments" on TV.. when I watch it, is all about where "OUR" tax dollars are going. Now when they talk about leaving those poor soldiers still in those countries when that's not what the people want, I question exactly who is paying for something we don't want. I hear the "GOVERNMENT" talking through both sides of there mouths. I hear our tax dollars are going to support this war. Now if the majority wants peace then my question is, why are we paying for this war via tax dollars. Isn't time we take back what we are paying for. Seems to me it's only logical. Why do we continue paying taxes for things we don't want? Why shouldn't we just start demanding that are tax dollars go to what "WE" the "PEOPLE" want? In the real world the money we earn is to buy things and pay things that WE want, so why not do the same thing with the "Government?" If we all got together and just demanded where "OUR" tax dollars go, then maybe we would regain control. Why do we keep paying taxes if it's for things we don't want? Yes, I can see if one person tries that they would get their butts thrown in jail, but if we all got together and stopped paying taxes until we gain control again that could work! This has really been on my mind. It doesn't make sense to me that we're paying for shit we don't want. That would be one way we finally would be able to get the so-called-government to work for the people like their supposed to! What do you think? :/

Hi Wildizes - it is customary on this Forum to post a bit about yourself in the Newbies section. No need for personal information, just how you found us, your interests, etc.

Wildizes said:

If we all got together and just demanded where "OUR" tax dollars go, then maybe we would regain control. Why do we keep paying taxes if it's for things we don't want? Yes, I can see if one person tries that they would get their butts thrown in jail, but if we all got together and stopped paying taxes until we gain control again that could work! This has really been on my mind. It doesn't make sense to me that we're paying for -shite- we don't want. That would be one way we finally would be able to get the so-called-government to work for the people like their supposed to! What do you think? :/

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Hi Wildizes. I can only assume that someone who can lay out a problem the way you just did already knows the answer?
Perhaps it is because this "sum of all people who pay taxes" is the only group of people who already resist organizing themselves? And the only group of people who are NOT a special-interest group that can be catered to?

I look forward to your introduction and would you please mention what material you have read, if any, from the Cassiopaea website? Thanks. :)

Hi to you too! :)

I would just like to add. Your exactly right Bud about me knowing the answer, I kind of figured the same about the people that do pay taxes don't want to rally together to have a say on where it goes! I really just needed to hear it, to believe it. I appreciate your input. Thanks!

Wildizes :)

I would say that the thing that needs to be done is that people should withdraw all support from the psychopathic governments and force them out, take them into custody, try them in court, and met out sentences. But the only way that can be done is if the MAJORITY agree. And the only way the majority will agree - since they are under the influence of the propaganda of the psychopaths - is if they wake up and realize what is really going on. The only way to get that to happen is via education in ways they can understand AND, at the same time, help them to get to the point where they can break through in understanding by clearing out their old emotional programs and restore their health so that their brains work properly. That's why we focus on education, emotional, mental and spiritual detox via the EE program and diet. A not insignificant side effect of stimulation of the vagus nerve is the stimulating of those parts of the brain that are concerned with empathy and conscience.

It seems like a slow and inefficient way to get there, but history shows us that nothing else has ever really worked so we need to try a new way or the human race is going to perish. We think that when a certain critical mass of individuals do get cleared and aware, it can then multiply exponentially. Getting to that critical mass is the big question: what IS critical mass and how long will it take us if we devote ourselves to the task?

I for my part see it like a dam.

If you cut the supply of water to the dam, it's turbine will cease to work. So if we ALL stop paying all and I mean all the taxes, everything will crumble and then we will be able to have a fresh start.

It is a simple answer yes, I agree but also it is the only one I can see to make the change happen.

Nice day to all,

Wattsup

wattsup said:

So if we ALL stop paying all and I mean all the taxes, everything will crumble and then we will be able to have a fresh start.

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And maybe without the psychopaths, to boot? I was reminded of how those in power have to hock our children's children's future and the country's resources in order to continue borrowing money. If everyone withheld taxes, which currently pays the leech class's deficits, then the 'loan sharks' would take care of the "borrowers". THAT could be one reason for the desperate push for total control by the 'psychopathic elites'. I know that's a bit simplistic, but maybe not completely without merit. :)

No offense to any anarchists, but I don't have a problem paying sales and use taxes. It's the 'income tax' that is completely irrational, in my view, as the government seems to consider it "extra money" that we don't need in our individual tax brackets, OSIT.

Having said all that, I realize that Corporate interests hold the real power, but the effects of this 'public treasury' running dry might still threaten similar enough consequences to the people who control the money.

Not paying taxes is, as far as I know, illegal, as in arrested illegal.

wattsup said:

I for my part see it like a dam.

If you cut the supply of water to the dam, it's turbine will cease to work. So if we ALL stop paying all and I mean all the taxes, everything will crumble and then we will be able to have a fresh start.

It is a simple answer yes, I agree but also it is the only one I can see to make the change happen.

Nice day to all,

Wattsup

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Does it really make a difference , even if it were possible without being imprisoned and/or your possessions confiscated?

No, they will just make up more money to run the system. This whole banking system is so disconnected from actual money. That is how they were able to inflate the housing market in a ridiculous manner even though they really did not have the actual money to do so.

Atreides said:

Not paying taxes is, as far as I know, illegal, as in arrested illegal.

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And unless, you are self employed, aren't all income taxes usually deducted directly from your paycheck?

Odyssey said:

...unless, you are self employed, aren't all income taxes usually deducted directly from your paycheck?

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Yep, and that's another reason why it's not really feasible at the individual level, OSIT. Personally, I wouldn't wanna be declared a "tax terr'ist". :)

Thanks for all the input! Laura, your absolutely right and that's what we're all doing here I suppose. What if we were to start small, one step at a time. Like for example somehow get control of the education system to therefore start with our children. I find children speak the loudest without even knowing. Teenagers are good for this, if they are taught and grew up with the knowledge such as this forum for example it would help when they grow up and take over the psycopaths out there! I hate waiting for the process I like to go for the (dare I say) throat! How about also music, that is an exellent way to go. This is just ideas folks, I way for me to vent my frustration. Can we really make a difference? I think Laura your doing it a very good way by way of Facebook as well. The more friends you add, the more the word gets around. Way to go! It 's so huge it almost feels impossible but we can't give up the "good" fight! Thanks everyone keep up the good work!



Wildizes: ;)

Greetings once again from the Virgin Islands (US)......Our town meetings carried on the radio and via the web have been quite interesting. We have been able to form various working committees to educate, inform and take positive actions to create change. We have determined that election reform is the most important change we need to make in order to change those we elect, so in turn, we will get the representation we all pay taxes for.

We have been using the same faulty "Schuptronics" electronic voting machines since they were manufactured and they have been discontinued nationally. They are 25 years old not and certified for use by the federal govt. yet our votes continue to be stolen and so the same people continue to be elected to our detriment. This election cycle more than 3,000 registered voters changed from "no party" to democrat in order to defeat the current Gov. in the primary elections. There was a movement to vote by only paper, but when the voters got to their preccints on the day of election, the rules regarding access to the paper ballots were changed hours before and the election system forced the populace to vote through the reread, no recount and no paper audit trail machines.

In actuality, this forced use of the electronic voting machines proved to all that they are/were rigged and the results did not reflect to the will of the majority of the population. So the election reform committee is most important because the Board of Elections Qualifies Candidates and Certifies elections. 2700 complaints of disenfranchisement were sent to the US Attorney General and Inspector General. The mongoose watching the fowl coop, is what we call it.

Committees such as strategic management, youth issues, infrastructure, Labor/Negotiations/Contracts, etc. came out of people tired of talking who want a revolution (bloodless, if possible) without the distraction of emotion, but using our collective energies in the best interest of our community. The minute this turns bloody, e.g. "tourists getting killed", we will be forced to live under martial law. Sometimes it is my feeling that the population is being forced to spill blood so we will become a vacation "Police State".

We have begun to practice and utilize strategic enclosure in order to get the results we desire as a group of people. Instead of a pyramid structure we have chosen to share our information with those of similar mindsets. All committees have co-chairs so we can all be on the same page as we carry out our activities territory wide.

We are being bombarded in this psychological war through our economic situation and the feeling that there is nothing "we" can do. "We" have decided to challenge that notion. The government of the VI is the largest employer, 13,000+ who are dependent on Tourism for more than 80% of our GDP. The Virgin Islands of the U.S. has the highest cost of living under the U.S. flag and among the lowest wages in the country. The average govt. worker makes $25,000 per year. It takes an income of $75,000 for a family of 4 to live, not even comfortably, because we import everything.

In the 1950's our agriculture sector was intentionally dismantled "supposedly" to accommodate HOVENSA one of the largest oil refineries in the Western Hemisphere, yet the same gas shipped to the East Coast of the US is cheaper than what we pay for in the Virgin Islands. Mind you, HOVENSA is 40 miles south of the rest of the Virgin Islands. The real reason the agriculture sector was dismantled was because of a 6 month labor strike in which no one went hungry because at that time, we were feeding ourselves.

Our population is almost $2billion in debt which translates to $13,000+ each man, woman and child owes to our bond holders. If this not a case of intentional slavery, then I don't know what else to say than we will free ourselves one way or another. We also realize that the system is created to keep us fighting amongst ourselves and divided over trivial matters while the government continues to make policies that drive us deeper into debt and our heirs in perpetual slavery. Those of gathering have realized we have much work to do, but it is a process and every day more people are joining this movement. Our work is cut of for us and assistance from those walk in light is appreciated. Thank you.

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