The Vegetarian Myth

It might be different for you Manille, but my body talks and I dare not listen! It keeps saying "gimme soda, chocolate, coffee with three sugars, whiskey, beer.."

Part of life is not giving into temptation when you know better. How do you get to know better? Study reports you know are not inspired by business is a good place to start. (You'll find them on these pages)

Man! I'd love a lettuce, cheese, tomato and mayonnaise sandwich on fresh white bread right now.... sigh...guess I'll have to trot out the "No! - Don't be an idiot" programme again :)

I'm right there with ya, Richard! But I KNOW the price and I'm no longer willing to pay it. So, when those whispers try to sneak up on me, I just have a cup of bone broth.

Richard said:

It might be different for you Manille, but my body talks and I dare not listen! It keeps saying "gimme soda, chocolate, coffee with three sugars, whiskey, beer.."

Part of life is not giving into temptation when you know better. How do you get to know better? Study reports you know are not inspired by business is a good place to start. (You'll find them on these pages)

Man! I'd love a lettuce, cheese, tomato and mayonnaise sandwich on fresh white bread right now.... sigh...guess I'll have to trot out the "No! - Don't be an idiot" programme again :)

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Whenever I'm tempted by any of that, or my Achilles heel, coffee with a shot of whiskey, I remember the face of one of my old spiritual teachers, hovering over me with a pair of nose and glasses on his face saying "PAIN AND SUFFERING!"

That never fails to make me laugh, and remember that yeah....those foods will truly lead to pain and suffering.

Laura said:

Kniall said:

D Rusak said:

Hahaha, Guardian, thank you, I needed this laugh today!

I think things are slightly more complicated than your "rule of farts" but it's a good starting point, eh ;)

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I dunno, it could just boil down to that!

Ruminants like cows and sheep are big fermentation vats - our systems aint!

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Agreed. That might be a really good rule of thumb.

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I know this is an old thread (I am catching up), but oddly
perhaps Pythagoras was on to something about farting:
Pythagoras - A joke?

Just saw in the news that actor Michael Clarke Duncan died. His most famous role was in the movie The Green Mile, where he played a death row inmate with a healing power. He was quite a tall, muscular man but apparently had a heart attack a couple of months ago and never fully recovered.

I was wondering what might have precipitated such an early death (he was only 54), and then I came across part of the news story that might offer some explanation:

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In the spring of 2012, Duncan had appeared in a video for PETA, the animal rights organization, in which he spoke of how much better he felt since becoming a vegetarian three years earlier.
"I cleared out my refrigerator, about $5,000 worth of meat," he said. "I'm a lot healthier than I was when I was eating meat."

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Source: _http://www.newstimes.com/entertainment/article/Actor-Michael-Clarke-Duncan-dead-at-54-3836635.php

I wonder if vegetarianism played a role in his heart trouble and whether he had problems before he went vegetarian.

Gonzo

He was hospitalized last month with a myocardial infection and never recovered. My guess is that his diet switch most likely had a hand in his illness.

Heimdallr said:

He was hospitalized last month with a myocardial infection and never recovered. My guess is that his diet switch most likely had a hand in his illness.

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I remember the vegan propaganda I received about how eating meat increases the risk of heart attack. I can imagine a scenario where he became convinced through such material, and inadvertently contributed to ending his own life. The information I received from the vegan community on this subject, which denied any kind of malnutrition issue as long as you knew what foods to eat, was pretty much backward from reality as I understand it now.

How many high profile vegetarians have to die before folks start connecting the dots, as it were?

It's amazing to me how willing we are to accept the status quo because we're afraid of having to deal with something that either contradicts our beliefs or challenges us to expend energy thinking and researching beyond what we are told (a ridiculous idea in the age of the Internet).

Richard said:

It might be different for you Manille, but my body talks and I dare not listen! It keeps saying "gimme soda, chocolate, coffee with three sugars, whiskey, beer.."

Part of life is not giving into temptation when you know better. How do you get to know better? Study reports you know are not inspired by business is a good place to start. (You'll find them on these pages)

Man! I'd love a lettuce, cheese, tomato and mayonnaise sandwich on fresh white bread right now.... sigh...guess I'll have to trot out the "No! - Don't be an idiot" programme again :)

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Yeah, I've heard that one a lot from people who say it's "important to listen to your body" and "if you're craving something it's because your body is deficient in something so really when you're giving in to your cravings you're just doing your body a favour." Way to justify your addictions. Sadly, a lot of those addictions are promoted as healthy and wholesome.

Hmm, craving sugar - oh my blood sugar must be low. Better drink some coca cola - that'll help me! I'm actually amazed at the level of ignorance in the whole "sugar thing" here in Spain. (It's probably not just Spain but people are very fond of talking about people's blood sugar levels dropping) So many times I used to hear people say "Oh your blood sugar levels have dropped- you'd better eat something sweet and quick!" Aaargh! But then, sugar makes you dumb so... The thing is, I used to think what a dumb suggestion that was but unfortunately I didn't know what could be done about it!

Laura said:

I'm right there with ya, Richard! But I KNOW the price and I'm no longer willing to pay it. So, when those whispers try to sneak up on me, I just have a cup of bone broth.

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Well, even non-jelly bone broth must do some good. I picked up a nasty headcold on Monday, drug myself into work yesterday cause I had to for month-end closing (I'm playing hooky today) and I felt like crap when I woke up this morning. Filled a thermos mug full of my what-passes-for-bone-broth and sipped on it, and this afternoon I feel so much better!! Usually takes me about 5 days to get over a cold.

Mrs. Peel said:

Laura said:

I'm right there with ya, Richard! But I KNOW the price and I'm no longer willing to pay it. So, when those whispers try to sneak up on me, I just have a cup of bone broth.

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Well, even non-jelly bone broth must do some good. I picked up a nasty headcold on Monday, drug myself into work yesterday cause I had to for month-end closing (I'm playing hooky today) and I felt like crap when I woke up this morning. Filled a thermos mug full of my what-passes-for-bone-broth and sipped on it, and this afternoon I feel so much better!! Usually takes me about 5 days to get over a cold.

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Even the non-jellyfying bone broth is excellent. It only jellies if there is enough gristle on a joint or something like that. Plenty of batches we make don't gel.

Laura said:

Even the non-jellyfying bone broth is excellent. It only jellies if there is enough gristle on a joint or something like that. Plenty of batches we make don't gel.

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Oh phew! I was beginning to get a complex cause I couldn't produce gel. :D

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Laura said:

Even the non-jellyfying bone broth is excellent. It only jellies if there is enough gristle on a joint or something like that. Plenty of batches we make don't gel.

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Oh phew! I was beginning to get a complex cause I couldn't produce gel. :D

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If you want gel, use pig's trotters or heads, they are full of it. :D

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Oh phew! I was beginning to get a complex cause I couldn't produce gel. :D

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Same here. I thought I was gel-challenged It's good to know that it still provides so much without it.

By the way, I made some fish broth with the skull, spine, etc. of a large fatty local fish the other day with added butter. I drank it yesterday and finished it today. It was quite good, and when I refrigerated it, it was was all gel AND fat when taken out.

In the next couple of days, I'm going to get a bunch of marrow bones from my butcher and make more broth. Looking forward to it.