FireShadow
Jedi Master
Awhile back I started a thread - "No Longer Interested in Sex" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=20621.0). Approaching Infinity offered a link to this website _http://www.reuniting.info/ and I followed it. Aside from the website, the author Marnia Robinson also has written a book - "Cupid's Poisoned Arrow". Although much of the information found in the book was also posted on the website, I ordered the book. Wow! It was revelatory for me on both a personal level and on a broader societal level.
Side note: Two other threads were recently started that relate to the information found in this book (in case anyone is interested):
"The hidden factor in relationship disharmony" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=20835.0) and
"Can I Graduate to 4th density through Total Celibacy?" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12067.0).
The author cites scientific studies on neurochemistry and draws from references in various religious disciplines (categorized as "wisdom"). I liked the way she presented the information in the book, it was methodical and thorough. She alternated chapters on the science with chapters on the "wisdom". She also offers much anecdotal evidence from her own experience and that of others as well.
The focus of the book is on creating greater harmony in relationships...
But, I definitely recommend this book whether or not you have issues with harmony in relationships. I think there are larger implications as well. It seems to describe one of the mechanism for keeping so many so firmly entrenched in STS mode.
Simplistically (the book goes into much greater detail), , She describes two biological programs we have:
The Mating Program - designed to make sure we spread our genes as widely as possible.
The Bonding Program - designed to nurture and care for children. She talks of how we can use this program to bypass the Mating Program to create harmony in our relationships.
She goes on to talk about two kinds of sex:
Orgasm/fertility based sex - In a nutshell, this type of sex sets up a cycle of spiking then crashing dopamine levels. At the top, orgasm spikes dopamine and creates the "high" in the reward center of the brain. At the bottom, when dopamine levels are low, one feels scarcity, separateness, craving, need and greed. This drives one to repeat the cycle to get that "high" to feel good again.
Bonding based sex - focused only on giving, not on getting (an orgasm or gratification). It is relaxed, not urgent. This type of sex balances ocytocin (the cuddle hormone) and dopamine (so that is it stable not spiking/crashing). Reportedly, this leads to feelings of wholeness, abundance, healing, etc.
Interestingly, she reports that making sex "taboo" only intensifies the effect of orgasm-based sex as the "forbidden" is far more exciting and gives an even greater "high" and subsequently a lower crash. So, it seems that all the sexuality in advertising, the push for greater sexual gratification (with medications to help you) and the wide availability of porn together with the attempts of various groups to make sex taboo all combine to create a vicious cycle. Hmmmm...
She also talks about how orgasm/fertility-based sex produces physical children, but bonding-based sex may produce "spiritual" children. (matter vs spirit?)
Although she does not speak of ponerization, she does give examples of how knowledge of bonding-based sex has often been twisted. For example, Early Taoists writers spoke of equality between the sexes, but later talked of men using women by stealing the woman's energy to use for their own "enlightenment". If accurate, it seems that whenever this knowledge gets out and a group begins to use it, they are either twisted/ponerized or destroyed as with the Cathars (she postulates that this was something the Cathars practiced).
I was reminded of this segment from "The Wave" - Chapter III
Dorothy and The Frog Prince Meet Flight 19 in Oz or, "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!"
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave_iii.htm
Side note: Two other threads were recently started that relate to the information found in this book (in case anyone is interested):
"The hidden factor in relationship disharmony" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=20835.0) and
"Can I Graduate to 4th density through Total Celibacy?" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12067.0).
The author cites scientific studies on neurochemistry and draws from references in various religious disciplines (categorized as "wisdom"). I liked the way she presented the information in the book, it was methodical and thorough. She alternated chapters on the science with chapters on the "wisdom". She also offers much anecdotal evidence from her own experience and that of others as well.
The focus of the book is on creating greater harmony in relationships...
But, I definitely recommend this book whether or not you have issues with harmony in relationships. I think there are larger implications as well. It seems to describe one of the mechanism for keeping so many so firmly entrenched in STS mode.
Simplistically (the book goes into much greater detail), , She describes two biological programs we have:
The Mating Program - designed to make sure we spread our genes as widely as possible.
The Bonding Program - designed to nurture and care for children. She talks of how we can use this program to bypass the Mating Program to create harmony in our relationships.
She goes on to talk about two kinds of sex:
Orgasm/fertility based sex - In a nutshell, this type of sex sets up a cycle of spiking then crashing dopamine levels. At the top, orgasm spikes dopamine and creates the "high" in the reward center of the brain. At the bottom, when dopamine levels are low, one feels scarcity, separateness, craving, need and greed. This drives one to repeat the cycle to get that "high" to feel good again.
Bonding based sex - focused only on giving, not on getting (an orgasm or gratification). It is relaxed, not urgent. This type of sex balances ocytocin (the cuddle hormone) and dopamine (so that is it stable not spiking/crashing). Reportedly, this leads to feelings of wholeness, abundance, healing, etc.
Interestingly, she reports that making sex "taboo" only intensifies the effect of orgasm-based sex as the "forbidden" is far more exciting and gives an even greater "high" and subsequently a lower crash. So, it seems that all the sexuality in advertising, the push for greater sexual gratification (with medications to help you) and the wide availability of porn together with the attempts of various groups to make sex taboo all combine to create a vicious cycle. Hmmmm...
She also talks about how orgasm/fertility-based sex produces physical children, but bonding-based sex may produce "spiritual" children. (matter vs spirit?)
Although she does not speak of ponerization, she does give examples of how knowledge of bonding-based sex has often been twisted. For example, Early Taoists writers spoke of equality between the sexes, but later talked of men using women by stealing the woman's energy to use for their own "enlightenment". If accurate, it seems that whenever this knowledge gets out and a group begins to use it, they are either twisted/ponerized or destroyed as with the Cathars (she postulates that this was something the Cathars practiced).
I was reminded of this segment from "The Wave" - Chapter III
Dorothy and The Frog Prince Meet Flight 19 in Oz or, "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore!"
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave_iii.htm
Q: So, they were traumatized; they may have had bits and pieces of ideas and memories, but they may also have lost a great deal altogether. There may have even been a sort of "coma" state of mankind for many millennia. But, after they woke up, with the bits and pieces floating around in their heads, they may have begun to attempt to piece it all together. So, they started putting it all back together. What was the first thing they put together regarding the cosmos around them?
A: Sex.
Q: What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?
A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in this mess in the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: "Look how much fun this is! Want to try it?!? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell you, you cannot go back!"
Q: I really fail to understand - and I know it is a big issue that has been hinted at and alluded to in many so-called mystery teachings, and outright claims have been made regarding sex in all religions and mythologies - but I fail to understand the mechanics of how this can be the engineering of a 'fall.' What, precisely, are the mechanics of it? What energy is generated? How is it generated? What is the concept of the misuse of this energy, or the use of the energy?
A: It is simply the introduction of the concept of self-gratification of a physical sort.
Q: On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have perfect balance of physicality and ethereality. This has been said on a number of occasions. Now, I don't understand how it can be that gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one is entrapped? Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful? Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved one? These various things that the human being derives pleasure from very often elevate them to a spiritual state.
A: Possession is the key. In STS, you possess. If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess...
Q: It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess; only to give. In which case, I still don't understand how it can be a mechanism for a 'fall.'
A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach? In STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.
Q: Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the 'All?'
A: Explain the process.
Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person...
A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.