Ibogaine for emotional trauma/PTSD.

melatonin

melatonin

Jedi Master
Hi there,

Just wanted to share some information ive gathered on this substance over the last few months.
Ive been recovering repressed memories from trauma for a few years now - had the usual , EMDR, tapping, hypnotherapy, used nootropics like 5htp to help stimulate memories. This all works to a degree.
Anyways i stumbled across ibogaine.
I was always intrested in physcedelics for theraputic use, but was scared as with most it would be an after affect of the drug, rather than part of the experience.
Ibogaine is very much different.

I read an article which was amazing. Alot of herion addicts are child abuse survivors, and use heroin to help keep the trauma supressed. (ive never used herion/drugs to repress/supress)

_http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/repression.htm - Heres the link to the article.

Heroin strengthens the 'gate' between the concious and sub-concious and keeps the memories seperate. Ibogaine opens the gate - which shows how theraputic it can be to a survivor of any trauma, drug addict or non-drug addict.
Dosages of 300-600mg are extremely cheap (£40-£80) and people can recover incredible amounts of material from their childhood and process it - the only TRUE way to heal.
And at these dosages its extremely safe to use for someone with normal heart and liver function.

This is a legal substance in england, i hope its ok to share this information. I understand if it isnt, as its currently illegal in the USA. (i apologise if thats the case)
 
Hi Melatonin, what criteria would you use to know if someone is psychologically ready/prepared to open the gate of their past trauma? Also you seem quite definite that recovering material from ones childhood and processing it is the only true way to heal. Are you really sure of that? I have found EE to be quite useful in this regard. Aaron
 
melatonin, have you read the forum guidelines? Did you read the thread on Graham Hancock?
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=817.0

Are you familiar with the Cs material? (This IS, after all, a forum called "Cassiopaea".) If you are, then what you are promoting - as was the case with your promotion of whole wheat bread and milk, is in diametric opposition to what we advocate and consider beneficial.

I suggest that you go and create your own website and forum to promote such things for those who are following that pathway. It doesn't belong here.
 
I typically don’t post often because…well, it’s scary and I usually feel like someone has said it better than me. Having said that, I want to second what aaronr wrote about making sure that someone is psychologically ready to deal with the trauma from recovered childhood memories. As I understand it, repressed memories start to come out when a person has worked on themselves and is in a place where they can handle what is being remembered, difficult as it may be. Memories may trickle in or come in a flood, but it happens because the person is ready to deal with the memories.

My concern with a drug that opens the memory floodgates is that it may be more detrimental than beneficial and seems to me that it’s like giving someone information that they haven’t asked for. You may know the answer to a question, but if someone isn’t ready then it falls on deaf ears and you’ve wasted your energy trying to control another (this part I know from experience and I’m still working on it).

I also have a question about the subconscious. If we have the predator’s mind does this mean the subconscious? And if so, would opening up the floodgates to that mind be actually destructive if we are not ready for it by gaining knowledge?
 
Teresa said:
I also have a question about the subconscious. If we have the predator’s mind does this mean the subconscious?
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Maybe the esoteric glossary can help here:

Subconscious
A term used in psychology to describe the theoretical notion of layers of consciousness. The subconscious is believed to be an aspect of the mind that functions below the awareness of conscious thought. According to Sigmund Freud there were three general layers to the human mind – the conscious, the subconscious and the unconscious. The conscious mind is the thought patterns and mental functions of which we are aware on a daily basis. The subconscious was designated as the automatic functions of the brain, which we are not aware of. Below that, the unconscious was thought to be the driving force for motivations, inclinations and the instigator of all feelings and thoughts. Frequently when people talk of the subconscious they often mean the unconscious as described by Freud. For the sake of clarity and common usage, the term subconscious will be used here to describe the idea of the inner core of human thought processes that operate below our field of awareness


This idea has been widely used in New Age philosophy in recent years. A plethora of self-help books have been written proposing that one can change one’s life by re-programming one’s subconscious mind. A popular technique called NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming) uses hypnotic suggestions directed at the subconscious mind, and is purported to produce beneficial changes in one’s health, wealth, behavior patterns and life situation.


In the Cassiopaean material, the notion of the subconscious is used differently, and falls outside the realm of psychology entirely. The following part of the transcripts contains this idea:

(L) Well, when one is dealing with psychology, what would be the best approach... what is the true aspect of the self or the being that one should inquire into in order to heal?
A: Subconscious mind.
Q: (V) Is the statement that psychology studies emotions, is that a fair statement?
A: No. Subconscious is same in body or out.
Q: (V) The subconscious is part of the soul?
A: One and same.
Q: (V) Is the higher self the same as the soul and the subconscious?
A: Yes.

Later in the transcripts there is a discussion of how conventional psychology fails to incorporate the spirit or soul of man in its theories and focuses solely on the mechanical aspects. An example of this tendency is above, with the theory of NLP and attempts to re-program the subconscious mind.

See: Soul, Real ‘I’, Psychology, The Coach
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Predator`s Mind
In Beelzebub's Tales we have the constant theme of vibrations being required of the Earth. When man would not produce the right quality consciously, nature shifted the circumstance to cater for accidental shocks which would provide the required amount of flashes of awareness, or 'higher hydrogens.' The predator feeds man problems and crises upon crisis. {Castaneda] 'Planetary influences arrange for wars and catastrophies simply to obtain required vibrations' [Gurdjieff] Man may also play his role consciously, at least in theory, and thus be free from these arbitrary influences and serve the universe in another manner, suggests Gurdjieff.

Man is born sane and spoiled by contemporary education, inculcated with the 'values' of ego, hypocrisy, self-calming, empty wiseacrings, vanity and self-love. [Gurdjieff] When man reaches adult age, only the fringe of the glowing coat of awareness is left, barely covering the toes. This fringe is the center of self-reflection, the only awareness left to man. [Castaneda]

The Cassiopaeans and Ra speak of man's consciousness being food in many places. In order not to be food, one needs to change internally. These sources call this alignment with STO and objectivity, Castaneda calls this discipline, impeccability, being a warrior fighting to be free. Gurdjieff calls this objective reason, Impartiality, acquiring being and objective conscience and being as a man ought to be.

The parallels go further. Castaneda's sorcerer, having caused the predator's mind to flee, is akin to Gurdjieff's description of the real I, when it is first glimpsed through the veil of personality. It is small, insecure, unsteady and shifting. Nurturing this and bringing the personality into unity through fusing it with shocks is a characteristic of all the paths discussed here.
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Then you may also want to read this thread: Buffers, Programs and "the Predator's Mind"

Teresa said:
And if so, would opening up the floodgates to that mind be actually destructive if we are not ready for it by gaining knowledge?
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I would say it is about balance and patience. Your question made me remember of this:

Session 7 March 2009 said:
Q: (L) Clearly from my experience, meditation to master yourself and your reactions is a very beneficial thing.

A: Yes. But then what does one do with that mastery?

Q: (Craig) It serves to help people who don't know how to control their mind or their emotions.

A: Yes. And teach them when where and how to use those emotions for change. Overcoming emotions so that one is not affected by what is out there and inside is little more than becoming an automaton.

Q: (Craig) Can these breathing techniques help [prisoners]?

A: Absolutely!!!!!!!

Q: (Craig) Is it one of the best tools we can use to revive people's humanity?

A: Yes. But don't forget the balance. Facing reality and mastering the self alternating with meditation for recovery.
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Actually the Éiriú Eolas Breathing and meditation program is a gently and safe way of doing so.

Oh and please don't heasitate to post, as the Cs say, Networking works! :)
 
Ana, thank you for the information, that helps clarify things a bit for me. I have read a little about the predators mind, but looks like I need to read more to let it sink in for a deeper understanding.

I have watched the introduction to Eiriu Eolas meditation from the website, but wasn't able to access the second part for some reason. It really sounds like a great way to work through past emotional issues as well as being good for everyone in general.
 
Laura said:
melatonin, have you read the forum guidelines? Did you read the thread on Graham Hancock?
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=817.0

Are you familiar with the Cs material? (This IS, after all, a forum called "Cassiopaea".) If you are, then what you are promoting - as was the case with your promotion of whole wheat bread and milk, is in diametric opposition to what we advocate and consider beneficial.

I suggest that you go and create your own website and forum to promote such things for those who are following that pathway. It doesn't belong here.
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I apologise. I need to do some reading.
 
You do not need to take the full Iboga dose to get the therapeutic benefits of Iboga; you can take regular microdoses of Iboga instead.

Microdoses start at around 50 mg of Iboga root bark. At this dose level, there will be no nausea and sickness, and you do not go on any "trip", you will barely notice any changes in mental state while youtake this, but will noticed some improvements in your emotional condition within a day or two.

You can take such microdoses every few days, and you should get accumulating benefits.
 
Hi Hip,

Welcome to the forum. :) We recommend all new members post an introduction in the Newbies section telling us a bit about themselves, and how they found their way here. Have a read through that section to get an idea of how others have done it. Thanks.
 
Hi Hip, it appears that you didn't read the forum guidelines, specifically this part:

Please don't post messages about your illegal pastimes and habits. Cassiopaea.org does not wish to appear to condone such practices, for reasons that should be pretty obvious if a little common sense is applied. If you do post such stuff, expect it to be deleted immediately. It is also inadvisible to post about illegal pastimes from yesteryear, drug use for example, (unless you are disavowing all such usage). The reason is that by doing so you run the risk of attracting lurker "drug buddies", which you probably don't want to do.
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If you take the time to learn what this forum is about, you'll soon see that drug use for handling emotional trauma runs directly counter to what we do here.
 
Using substances to suppress, escape or 'access'/'experience' things is a short cut, it is complete abdication of responsibility to the self by putting control of your internal state in the hands of the external. This is the complete opposite of mastery of the self!
It is always worth repeating this. There are no shortcuts - there is no free lunch - and if you think there is then you are lunch.
Is your goal entropy? Is your goal to feed the STS system every last piece of yourself? So far this is what your words and actions point towards...
 
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