Freud a psychopath? Certainly!

Don Diego

Don Diego

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I'd like to talk a little bit about an awsome book I've just finished reading and which have been a real delight:Michel Onfray Le crépuscule d'une idole-l'affabulation freudienne.(The dusk of an idol-the freudian fabrication)Not yet translated in english but will be certainly soon because of the huge unexpected success here in france!And what a big mess around this book! Indeed Onfray did declare war against ashkenazi dominant ideology and dogma.
It appears that Freud is the chief liar and storyteller we have ever seen,and in this work completed with a very sharp understanding we can find such amount of clues to confirm actually that freud is one of them;
It would be too long(600 pages) and too hard to summerize because of my poor english and I apologize for that but here some links: Michel Onfray - Wikipedia
unfortunatly not subtitled

Why did I enjoyed it so much?Because I've been a very early reader of nasty freud,10 or 11 years old;my mother and I have had a serious car accident with an old motorcycle man without his helmet agonizing on the roadside in the middle of nowhere,screamin, yelling and shouting all his fear of death and all this blood around;my mother did panic and I ran to the closest house for help then came back to calm her and I remember I have blocked her ears till that police and rescue helicopter arrived(he died eventually) then after questioning us she denied and I didn't agreed...I betrayed her;So several weeks later she was still under shock and she took me to a psychoanalyst,in fact she was very disturbed,not me!That's how I began a psychoanalysis at the age of ten!I remember now at this times how freud sounded so INSANE and inconfortable for the young kid I was.
 
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I'm half way done reading Onfray's book and I second Don Diego's review. It is very good, and an essential reading in France where people trust Freud so much still.
 
Thank goodness more people are realizing this and saying it out loud, so to say. And especially in France where psychotherapeutic knowledge is like DARK AGES.
 
Laura said:
Thank goodness more people are realizing this and saying it out loud, so to say. And especially in France where psychotherapeutic knowledge is like DARK AGES.
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Freud/Fraud he did not kill but he has so much to answer for and that people lost there comon sense with his so called therapy always surprises, a Stalin of the mind indeed.
 
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
 
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
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I'm not entirely sure if this would be the best idea, cause it sounds like if you like to convince her. Maybe you could first try to talk to her and see if she is interested in that topic and if she likes to question herself and what she is doing.
 
Legolas said:
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
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I'm not entirely sure if this would be the best idea, cause it sounds like if you like to convince her. Maybe you could first try to talk to her and see if she is interested in that topic and if she likes to question herself and what she is doing.
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I'm just going to gift her a book!!! :) She'll take it for what it is.
 
I knew his way was something weird. I was reading about Oedipus and his analogy and the way to threat children with the problem. With fears and more, and he talks about incest being (or that's what I understood) something normal on people. You know, I am not such a professional about psychology, but I've found Thanatos and Eros thing, and now this about Oedipus, and it looks weird how... I don't know, how do that applies on life??

Legolas said:
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
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I'm not entirely sure if this would be the best idea, cause it sounds like if you like to convince her. Maybe you could first try to talk to her and see if she is interested in that topic and if she likes to question herself and what she is doing.
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Don't think so. Just a book, what she'll do with the info is her decision. There is no so much difference talking the things before with her and afther. She could receive the book and even, decide to read it or not.
 
Legolas said:
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
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I'm not entirely sure if this would be the best idea, cause it sounds like if you like to convince her. Maybe you could first try to talk to her and see if she is interested in that topic and if she likes to question herself and what she is doing.
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Well, one of the good things about this book is that Onfray himself used to be a fan of Freud, and taught the basis of psychoanalysis at college. So at the beginning, he really explains his story and how he gradually learned that it was all a lie. This may appeal to EGVG's mother.
 
Laura said:
Thank goodness more people are realizing this and saying it out loud, so to say. And especially in France where psychotherapeutic knowledge is like DARK AGES.
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Better late than nether;veil is thinning.
maybe this situation in france was induced by famous and potent followers as Jacques Lacan,Claude Levy-Srauss,Michel Foucault,Roland Barthes and others who have fed and reinforced this religion.
Talas said:
Laura said:
Thank goodness more people are realizing this and saying it out loud, so to say. And especially in France where psychotherapeutic knowledge is like DARK AGES.
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Freud/Fraud he did not kill but he has so much to answer for and that people lost there comon sense with his so called therapy always surprises, a Stalin of the mind indeed.
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In fact freud really did killed several of his patients when he was doctor before beeing psy and always denied it!
Onfray has made a real police investigation so to say and much more.He has related private correspondence between freud and his friend Fliess(only freud's letters because fliess's have been destroyed by his biograph Ernst Jones...)where we can appreciate what evil man he was.
And has certainly killed thousands people all around the world or at the least has wasted their life,even today much later after his death it goes on...
 
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
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Concerning Freud (and his daughter and nephew Edward Bernays) and the devastating effects of his work on patients, modern 'thinking' and advertising, the documentary The Century of Self, which has been discussed here : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6735.msg46734#msg46734 is interesting to watch (and may be an smoother transition for your mum, EGVG ! :)

Caricature of Love by Cleckley is another good one, where Freud's 'instincts inhibited in their aims' (for example) are discussed.
 
Ailén said:
Legolas said:
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
Click to expand...

I'm not entirely sure if this would be the best idea, cause it sounds like if you like to convince her. Maybe you could first try to talk to her and see if she is interested in that topic and if she likes to question herself and what she is doing.
Click to expand...

Well, one of the good things about this book is that Onfray himself used to be a fan of Freud, and taught the basis of psychoanalysis at college. So at the beginning, he really explains his story and how he gradually learned that it was all a lie. This may appeal to EGVG's mother.
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Okay thanks.

cubbex said:
I knew his way was something weird. I was reading about Oedipus and his analogy and the way to threat children with the problem. With fears and more, and he talks about incest being (or that's what I understood) something normal on people. You know, I am not such a professional about psychology, but I've found Thanatos and Eros thing, and now this about Oedipus, and it looks weird how... I don't know, how do that applies on life??

Legolas said:
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! :O My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
Click to expand...

I'm not entirely sure if this would be the best idea, cause it sounds like if you like to convince her. Maybe you could first try to talk to her and see if she is interested in that topic and if she likes to question herself and what she is doing.
Click to expand...

Don't think so. Just a book, what she'll do with the info is her decision. There is no so much difference talking the things before with her and afther. She could receive the book and even, decide to read it or not.
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So the free choice of EGVGs mother is still there, if she reads the book or not. Good to know.

When I remember it correctly also Lobaczewski categorized Freud as a "bearded schizoidal fanatic" or it least could fall into that category:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=11596.msg82452#msg82452
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
EGVG said:
WOW!!! This is really shocking! My mon is a psychoanalyst and she very much likes Freud's work, she even has his photo on a frame!!!! I'm gonna buy her this book!
Click to expand...

Concerning Freud (and his daughter and nephew Edward Bernays) and the devastating effects of his work on patients, modern 'thinking' and advertising, the documentary The Century of Self, which has been discussed here : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6735.msg46734#msg46734 is interesting to watch (and may be an smoother transition for your mum, EGVG ! :)

Caricature of Love by Cleckley is another good one, where Freud's 'instincts inhibited in their aims' (for example) are discussed.
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watching it right know!! :D

EDIT: links have been deactivated
 
Sigmund Freud conflates sexual desire with love as do many of his successors such as Norman O. Brown, Wilhelm Reich and Herbert Marcuse. Of course, a psychopath would make this error of understanding as they experience and view human beings as abstractions or physical objects with no understanding or recognition of empathy, compassion or love experienced by those with a functioning emotional center. These psychopaths are the author’s of free love and game theory as a basis for human relationship.

Freud’s unscientific speculations are a psychological operation in the service of waging war on gentile culture. Freud and his friends saw Jews as the ethical and intellectual leaders of mankind in the Twentieth Century. Their salient intellectual achievements are psychoanalytic pseudo science, Marxism and the atomic bomb in that blood stained century. The subversive political agenda of Freudian psychoanalysis maintains momentum as a tool for reducing normal humanity to slavery to a psychopathic world view.

Dr. Kevin MacDonald examines Freudian Psychology as a competitive Jewish tribal strategy in The Culture of Critique. I copied a few paragraphs from chapter 4 in no particular fashion, but as a sample of The Culture of Critique.

Dr. Kevin MacDonald can be seen discussing Jewish influence on Western Culture at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViYuWxMyNMM&NR=1.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap4.pdf said:
We have seen that a common component of Jewish intellectual activity since the Enlightenment has been to criticize gentile culture. Freud’s ideas have often been labeled as subversive. Indeed, “[Freud] was convinced that it was in the very nature of psychoanalytic doctrine to appear shocking and subversive. On board ship to America he did not feel that he was bringing that country a new panacea. With his typically dry wit he told his traveling companions, ‘We are bringing them the plague’ ” (Mannoni 1971, 168).

The obvious racialism and the clear statement of Jewish ethical, spiritual, and intellectual superiority contained in Freud’s last work, Moses and Mono-theism, must be seen not as an aberration of Freud’s thinking but as central to his attitudes, if not his published work, dating from a much earlier period. In SAID (Separation and Its Discontents) (Ch. 5) I noted that prior to the rise of Nazism an important set of Jewish intellectuals had a strong racial sense of Jewish peoplehood and felt racial estrangement from gentiles; they also made statements that can only be interpreted as indicating a sense of Jewish racial superiority. The psychoanalytic movement was an important example of these tendencies. It was characterized by ideas of Jewish intellectual superiority, racial consciousness, national pride, and Jewish solidarity (see Klein 1981, 143). Freud and his colleagues felt a sense of “racial kinship” with their Jewish colleagues and a “racial strangeness” to others (Klein 1981, 142

I conclude that Western religious and secular institutions have resulted in a highly egalitarian mating system that is associated with high-investment parenting. These institutions provided a central role for pair bonding, conjugality, and companionship as the basis of marriage. However, when these institutions were subjected to the radical critique presented by psychoanalysis, they came to be seen as engendering neurosis, and Western society itself was viewed as pathogenic. Freud’s writings on this issue (see Kurzweil 1989, 85 and passim) are replete with assertions on the need for greater sexual freedom to overcome debilitating neurosis. As we shall see, later psychoanalytic critiques of gentile culture pointed to the repression of sexuality as leading to anti-Semitism and a host of other modern ills.

.I have noted that there was often an overlap between psychoanalysis and radical political beliefs among Jews. This is not at all surprising. Both phenomena are essentially Jewish responses to the Enlightenment and its denigrating effect on religious ideology as the basis for developing an intellectually legitimate sense of group or individual identity. Both movements are compatible with a strong personal sense of Jewish identity and with some form of group continuity of Judaism; indeed, Yerushalmi (1991, 81ff) argues persuasively that Freud saw himself as a leader of the Jewish people and that his “science” provided a secular interpretation of fundamental Jewish religious themes.

The similarities between these movements is far deeper, however. Both psychoanalysis and radical political ideology present critiques in which the traditional institutions and socio-religious categorizations of gentile society are negatively evaluated. Both movements, and especially psychoanalysis, present their intellectual critiques in the language of science and rationality, the lingua franca of post-Enlightenment intellectual discourse. However, both movements have a pronounced political atmosphere despite the scientific veneer. Such a result is perhaps scarcely surprising in the case of Marxist political ideology, although even Marxism has often been touted by its proponents as “scientific” socialism. Psychoanalysis has from the beginning been burdened in its quest for scientific respectability by the clear overtones of its being a sectarian political movement masquerading as science.

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Although there is little reason to suppose that the battle for sexual freedom so central to psychoanalysis had the intention of benefiting the average resource competition ability of Jews vis-à-vis gentiles, the psychoanalytic intellectual war on gentile culture may indeed have resulted in an increased competitive advantage for Jews beyond merely lessening the theoretical importance of the Jew-gentile distinction and providing a “scientific” rationale for pathologizing anti-Semitism. It is also a war that has resulted in a society increasingly split between a disproportionately Jewish “cognitive elite” and a growing mass of individuals who are intellectually incompetent, irresponsible as parents, prone to requiring public assistance, and prone to criminal behavior, psychiatric disorders, and substance abuse.
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Edit by mod: reorganized sentence structure in final paragraph.
 
Legolas said:
When I remember it correctly also Lobaczewski categorized Freud as a "bearded schizoidal fanatic" or it least could fall into that category:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=11596.msg82452#msg82452
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Lobaczewski doesn't explicitly mention him as such, but the connection can be made for sure. His views on sex make me wonder if he was an asthenic psychopath, however, as many of the dudes described by Cleckley seem to match that description.
 
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