Author Topic: Psychopathology in Canadian Politics: Stephen Harper's Ruthless Drive for Power  (Read 7900 times)

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Just some musings here, and apologies if it's noisy....

With the elections coming up, I was wondering whether there was any point to voting at all..... I mean, voting for the lesser of three evils is still voting for evil! And in my whole adult life I think I've only voted once, just to see what it was about. But after reading this I got to thinking, we talk about how voting doesn't work or change anything, but then again, not all situations are the same. Unlike the US where it's pretty much Democrats or Republicans and you're stuck with 2 sides of the same coin, we have a system that allows for a minority government... from the article:

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So, if it's true that all top level politicians are in the pockets of the corporate financial military industrial complex, one might wonder if there is any point in voting at all? Why even bother participating in the political process if the new boss is going to be exactly like the old boss. Sadly, considering the big picture, the truth is there probably is no point in going to the polls on May 2nd in Canada. However, one positive aspect of the British parliamentary system is that minority governments can function quite well in the day to day running of a country. As long as no psychopathic leader of any one party can impose their will uninhibited upon the citizens in a so-called democracy, it can be seen in a positive way. As long as these white collar criminals are kept occupied arguing with each other, perhaps it will give the regular people a chance to breathe, come to their senses, see the reality of the world they live in and hopefully work together to solve the problems facing them. Networking as a community, as this is what real human beings are wont to do.

So this situation, I guess my intent would be to vote in hopes of 'prevent' something (like Harper's majority government) from happening. At the beginning I did not see any point at all, but if enough people vote for the other guys to maintain a 'minority' government, they will be able to keep some check on each others policies. Not to say that it won't stop all these new draconian measure they want to install, but at least delay them....maybe.

At least we don't have electronic voting machines...yet. And yes, they can still cheat to get a majority and it will be interesting to see how it will all play out.

Oh, and I still think it's pointless but I'm considering to go and vote. Question is, what is the most effective use of my vote? I don't like any of them, yet don't want to vote for someone that has no seats. It seems like the NDP have the least number of seats. The Green party doesn't have any so don't know about that. The Bloc were the next lowest.... (yes I'm only considering to balance seats, since they all lie and there's definitely no point in voting based on "policy")...

I guess I'll just decide when I'm there...  :huh:




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I know exactly how you feel.

I've always felt that, "If I vote, then I'm saying I'm okay with being taxed and having that money spent on terrible things I do not agree with."

And so I generally avoid voting.

In this case, however, I don't want a "Fox North".  Harper's overt villainy disgusts me beyond my capacity to ignore.  It should be noted that the speed of Ponorization increases rapidly with overt expression, and so I'd like to keep the blare of propaganda to a minimum.  This vote may actually have that effect.  So, Yes, I'm voting.

Government isn't a bad idea.  I like the concept of co-ops, which is what a government by the people is supposed to be.  At its best, it's a giant collective effort which can be used to control corporate powers which certainly are NOT acting in the people's best interest.  Problem is, governments are all broken and rotten beyond help.  The only fix is to, "nuke it from orbit".  (It's the only way to be sure.)

Luckily, that's being taken care of, but until Mother Earth resets, if I can help slow the decay by participating in making a choice away from overt evil, then that's worth doing.  I think, anyway.

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The way I see it, no matter who you vote for, no matter who gets into office, nothing will sway the PTB from implementing their plan at the pace at which they want to implement it. Votes change nothing; they're the illusion that you have a say in your fate of your country. The system is so completely controlled from the top there is literally no point.

I was just having a conversation about this the other night. One of the people in the conversation was of the opinion that if we could just get Jack Leighton in, things would really change. If that were true, which it probably isn't, then he would never be allowed in. I really think it's as simple as that. The psychopaths don't play by the rules, so they never lose. Just think about this - do you really think the people at the top of the pyramid are worried about how the Canadian people are going to vote? Do you think that's keeping them up at night? Not a chance.

Bleak as that may seem, I have trouble seeing a vote as anything but wishful thinking.
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The way I see it, no matter who you vote for, no matter who gets into office, nothing will sway the PTB from implementing their plan at the pace at which they want to implement it. Votes change nothing; they're the illusion that you have a say in your fate of your country. The system is so completely controlled from the top there is literally no point.

I was just having a conversation about this the other night. One of the people in the conversation was of the opinion that if we could just get Jack Leighton in, things would really change. If that were true, which it probably isn't, then he would never be allowed in. I really think it's as simple as that. The psychopaths don't play by the rules, so they never lose. Just think about this - do you really think the people at the top of the pyramid are worried about how the Canadian people are going to vote? Do you think that's keeping them up at night? Not a chance.

Bleak as that may seem, I have trouble seeing a vote as anything but wishful thinking.

You're probably right.  Which door the cattle enter the rendering plant through makes little difference.  Though I can't help but remember those aspects of the Protocols of Zion which explain that one big goal was to cause the people to overthrow their own governments, the only real bodies capable of protecting them from the clutches of Zionist control.

Also. . , a whole population CHOOSING something may not make any difference on the ground if the game is rigged, but spiritually it might mean a great deal.  Maybe intent is the key?

Honestly, I feel torn and despondent about the whole thing, but this dumb bull is going to cast his vote and talk about ponerology around town before, during and afterwards.  In any case, it makes a real difference on the small scale; I don't want my local representative to be a nasty idiot.  Assuming the vote system isn't rigged, then who I help pick actually affects my immediate community in a concrete way.


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This Monday is a national election in Canada... I don't like any of the parties. Gonna vote strategically to get rid of Stephen Harper... hope its ok to bring this up...

I am very interested in what the forums thoughts are on this topic and as I dont have any free time these days, it would help me a great deal on my choice and maybe get some articles to read. Does the forum have a stance on this? Very curious. I am not following mass media these days and am also interested in how the forum see's these kinds of things... I am very tired right now and cant think of something useful to say about it all... any help would be great.

Thank-you:)
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Hello,

Just made a thread regarding the upcoming election.... sorry bout that, maybe my thread can be included here. :)
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Hey Fabric

My feelings are also very similar to yours. I also have always thought that the voting system is a sham and there is pretty much no point in voting because in the end the PTB will do what they will do anyway, and so I've never voted.

But this year, I'm looking at things with a different perspective.

For one, I really hate the Harper government, and I really don't think Iggy and the Liberals are any better. So I thought to myself, if there is even a minor chance that my vote would actually count for something, I rather give it to someone else. Even though the place I live is majority conservative, at this point I don't care. I also have a feeling that a lot of people are in the same place I am in their line of thinking. People seem to just want a change... whatever that may be.

I saw on the news that there was a  34 % increase in advanced voting since 2008. I find that interesting. It just seems like more and more people are wanting change.

As for who I'm going to vote for.. I'll be voting NDP. I'm going for the lesser of evils here.

Layton's claim of capping interest rates is good if he goes through with it. He wants to tax corporations, and has other good points too. Like I've heard that his immigration policies are not too bad- he wants to help provide visas/immigration for older parents of immigrants. He doesn't like privatized health care (unlike Harper and Iggy) and all in all NDP seems more free-thinker friendly... and less corporate-friendly. They also seem to want to abolish the Senate which I don't mind.

In the end I think of it like this... I'm a person who is well aware that this world is most likely a one world government. And that the Canadian elections, like any other election is basically changing the puppet or actor on the main stage. So I will vote with no anticipation. Something may come of it, or it may not. At least, I can rest easy thinking that I did actually do something about whatever happens.

To me, voting is kind of like the lottery. Winning the lottery is highly unlikely, and you have a 1% chance of winning. But if you don't ever buy one, you won't even get that 1%. I rather have 1% than nothing. Fwiw.
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I've voted in many elections over the years. Giving it some thought I realized that my vote had not changed the outcome of any of them. My act of voting was simply a "Yes" vote to the system itself. By my voting I was saying that I approved of the system as a whole and all of it's acts.

I can see that voting to choose who will govern could be a good thing. But not in world ruled by psychopaths. Voting in the present circumstances just allows us to choose which gang of thugs will rule.

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Hello,

Just made a thread regarding the upcoming election.... sorry bout that, maybe my thread can be included here. :)

Hi Harold,

Your new thread has been merged with this one.
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Hi All,

Thanks for your comments. I do think what is important to me the the intent with which I am voting. I have no illusions about our government (or any government for that matter) doing anything beneficial for us "commoners"....

I do like the lottery idea, and I think that is an interesting way to look at it. I guess to me it's about keeping the playing field a little more level... a minority government has all these different parties vying for their policies and I'd rather see them bickering n fighting amongst themselves rather than united in screwing us over. The do it us via racism, class, sexuality etc etc, so that we as a people never unite and truly see what they are up to. In that sense progress is slow. So if I can even get one chance to effect that to them (have a taste of your own medicine!), then it's worth a shot. I know that my 'vote' won't effect any true change, but it's more an act to show the universe I will at least try do something, with this specific intent in mind... and expecting nothing of it. osit.


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Hello Fabric,

I plan not to vote at all, I personally think that there is no point in doing so as the new leader-psychopath has already been chosen for us. The next one is going to be Michael Ignatieff. I think he will have no problems to give orders to start shooting the Canadian people if they decide to wake up for a change, and will want to force the government to finally serve the people's interests instead of their own.

Just read about his biography here: http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0010530

Here is the article:

Michael Grant Ignatieff, writer, broadcaster, professor, politician (b at Toronto, 12 May 1947). Michael Ignatieff is the scion of two distinguished families. He is grandson of Count Paul Ignatieff, Imperial Russia's last minister of education, and Princess Natalie Mestchersky. Through his mother, Alison, he is a descendent of two principals of UPPER CANADA COLLEGE (grandfather William Lawson Grant and great-grandfather George PARKIN) and one principal of Queen's University (great-grandfather George Monro GRANT). Philosopher George Parkin GRANT was his uncle.
Ignatieff's early childhood was spent in New York, Washington, Belgrade, and London, the capitals where his father, Canadian diplomat George IGNATIEFF, was posted. The young Ignatieff completed his secondary schooling at Upper Canada College before going to the UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO, where he received a bachelor's degree in history in 1969. In 1976, Ignatieff received a PhD in history from Harvard, with a thesis on the British prison system during the industrial revolution. After two years teaching at the UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA, he accepted a research fellowship at King's College, Cambridge.

Ignatieff left the university in 1984 to work as a writer and broadcaster in London, England. Over the next two decades, he became one of the leading public intellectuals in the English-speaking world. He was the host of Thinking Aloud and The Late Show, talk shows broadcast on BBC television. He was a weekly columnist with the London Observer and wrote for other major periodicals, including The New Yorker, The Financial Times, The Guardian, Dissent, and The New York Times Magazine.

Ignatieff wrote several volumes of fiction and non-fiction. The Russian Album (1987), in which he traced the history of four generations of his family, won the Governor General's award in Canada. His highly-praised novel, Scar Tissue (1993), told the story of a woman suffering from dementia from the point of view of the son who cared for her. Again, there was an element of family history: Ignatieff's own mother, Alison, had suffered from Alzheimer's and his brother Andrew had looked after her. Blood and Belonging: Journeying into the New Nationalism (1993) and Virtual War: Kosovo and Beyond (2000) both won major awards. Isaiah Berlin: A Life (1998), a gracefully-written biography of the liberal philosopher, won widespread acclaim.

Ignatieff left Britain in 2000 to take up a position as director of Carr Centre for Human Rights Policy at Harvard. He endorsed the US-led invasion of Iraq in a 2003 article in the New York Times Magazine, arguing that war was a legitimate last resort to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and to end the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, a position he repeated in Empire Lite: Nation-Building in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Afghanistan (2003).

After living abroad for 36 years, Ignatieff returned to Canada in 2005 to become visiting professor in human rights policy at the University of Toronto and senior fellow at the university's Munk Centre for International Studies. He won the federal LIBERAL PARTY's nomination in Etobicoke-Lakeshore and was elected to Parliament in January 2006. Just three months later, Ignatieff became a candidate for his party's leadership. As the front-runner, he quickly came under attack, criticized for his long absence from Canada and for having supported the American war in Iraq. Opponents also claimed that Ignatieff supported torture, pointing to a 2004 article in which he argued that "coercive interrogations" might be necessary on occasion "to defeat evil." Ignatieff vehemently denied the allegation, insisting he was opposed to torture. At the leadership convention in December 2006, Ignatieff placed second to Stéphane DION, who quickly appointed the runner-up as deputy leader.

Ignatieff backed away from his support for the Iraq war in an August 2007 article in the New York Times Magazine. His original position, he said, was based in part on emotions born of a 1992 trip to Iraq, where he saw the brutal way Saddam had treated his country's Kurdish population.

Dion announced he would step down following the Liberal party's October 2008 electoral defeat, and Ignatieff again declared himself a candidate for the leadership. After his rivals withdrew from the race, Ignatieff was appointed acting leader on 10 December.



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That is the thing about politics. I can't vote for someone I like as I don't like any of them. I can only vote for who I dislike the least. It is always a case of "hold your nose and vote".

Having said all that, I think the best choice is Harper and the Tories. I can almost hear your gasps! Many of you have said you don't like any of the parties or their leaders, but your default position seems to be vote against Harper and the Tories. I respectfully disagree. I think he is the best of a bad lot. Going over the parties;

I don't and never have lived in Quebec so I can't vote BQ
I am far too much of an individualist to vote for the socialist party, the NDP. I also don't think they would be competant administrators.
The Liberals are, in my mind, really power hungry, without any real principles. Hopelessly arrogant as well. The "Natural Governing Party" they call themselves. Shudder! Plus, Iggy gives me the creeps and strikes me as an acedemic that should have stayed on campus.
The Greens are a joke. Wake me up when they win a seat.

That leaves the Tories. Harper is a capable administrator. That's probably the best you can hope for. I also don't believe that he is the jack-booted Nazi that the left makes him out to be. So I am a Tory supporter. Hope I don't get banned from the forum for that!

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That leaves the Tories. Harper is a capable administrator. That's probably the best you can hope for. I also don't believe that he is the jack-booted Nazi that the left makes him out to be. So I am a Tory supporter. Hope I don't get banned from the forum for that!

Pagan, have you read this article?  http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227547-Psychopathology-in-Canadian-Politics-Stephen-Harper-s-Ruthless-Drive-for-Power
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I too am a Canadian voter and have struggled with the issue "To Vote or Not to Vote". The way I see it, the parties are all in it for themselves, at the same time they serve the PTB. Having this in mind, my vote for the NDP will support hopefully a minority government. I do this becasue STS types even though they are controlled from a higher power, will still fight among themselves for position in the hierarchy of power. So I will suppport via my vote anything that supports in-fighting to slow the process of total control and decay of the Canadian political system. I know our system is a sick puppy but under a majority Harper government, whoo the freight trian is fully loaded and headed off the tracks for the rest of us.

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It should be noted that the speed of Ponorization increases rapidly with overt expression, and so I'd like to keep the blare of propaganda to a minimum.  This vote may actually have that effect.  So, Yes, I'm voting.

I tend to agree with this.  Layton's hands would most likely be tied if voted in, but at least it would slow down the ponerization process here in Canada, as opposed to Harper's hand's untied, which I think would speed the process up.

And one of the biggest surprises of this election campaign has been the ground the NDP has covered.  They are looking to possibly become the major opposition party which has stunned many as the two choices were supposed to be Iggy or Harper. 

So yes, I am going to vote for what seems to me, the least ponerized of the those 3 parties. 
Creativeness has its roots in the initiative which comes into being only when there is deep discontent.  Don't be afraid of discontent, but give it nourishment until the spark becomes a flame and you are everlasting discontented with everything - with your jobs, with your families, with the traditional pursuit of money, position, power - so that you really begin to think, to discover.

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