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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2011, 07:23:26 PM »
I have read the series of book: A song of Fire and Ice which is the entire Game og Thrones Series. The author hasn't finished the serie yet but if you continue watching that show, get used to lots of killing and twisted, depraved of moral caracters.

Martin does show some harsh faces of God in his story.

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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2011, 07:24:00 PM »
I think some parts of the series are really well made (the opening credits animation is really beautiful and clever and the music also, the costumes, the hair, the sets), the intrigue is interesting (although not really what one would call fast-paced) but it is very violent.
I could do without some of the raunchy sex scenes as well. There is at least one in every episode and most of them bring nothing whatsoever to the story. I get that they want to portrait how depraved, sex-driven, etc. the characters are but a nod here and there would be enough imo. Some characters (mostly women) must not cost a lot in terms of wardrobe...  :lol:

I agree with that.  They do seem to be merely filling a "skin quota" with some of the gratuitous scenes, and last week their was full frontal on a guy for, what seemed like, no reason at all.  But like you said, their are redeeming qualities to GoT as well.  They are doing a good job of developing nuanced, layered characters who aren't all good or bad but are reacting to the time they are living in, which is one of extreme "haves vs. have-nots".  The women either work in brothels or are vessels for producing children for the royal lineage. Very little in-between.  You can see in the example of Arya(my favorite character) an attempt to break away from that mold. Plus all the zombies, direwolves, and three-eyed ravens are pretty cool too.  ;)
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2011, 09:07:40 PM »
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The women either work in brothels or are vessels for producing children for the royal lineage. Very little in-between.  You can see in the example of Arya (my favorite character) an attempt to break away from that mold.

Indeed! At first, I was really unimpressed by the female characters. Or by what the male characters did to them. Arya is different, thankfully, but I do hope the others will evolve a bit. I think the funniest character is Tyrion Lannister (the dwarf). He gets the best lines.


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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2011, 11:10:15 PM »
Quote from: Heimdallr
The women either work in brothels or are vessels for producing children for the royal lineage. Very little in-between.  You can see in the example of Arya (my favorite character) an attempt to break away from that mold.

Indeed! At first, I was really unimpressed by the female characters. Or by what the male characters did to them. Arya is different, thankfully, but I do hope the others will evolve a bit. I think the funniest character is Tyrion Lannister (the dwarf). He gets the best lines.


I also agree with the sex stuff being just too much some times. Some scenes are just unnecessary at times. I have a bunch of favorite characters, and Arya is one of them. I also really like Daenerys Targaryen - I think she's another female character that is beginning to break out of the 'mold' so to speak -in her own way.
And I really like John Snow too... he is very honorable and I feel for him because he's treated so badly for being a 'bastard'. And like you Mrs. Tigersoap I love Tyrion cause he always seems to have the right line for the occasion.  :P

And I hate a lot of characters too.. but I'm not gonna list them, that list would go on too long lol!  ;D

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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2012, 12:44:09 PM »
I watched the first episode of the 2nd season tonight and the part with the comet in the sky totally brought chills down my spine! I couldn't help but think about how we could very well be seeing a similar sight at some time in the near future.

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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2012, 09:06:55 PM »
I watched the first episode of the 2nd season tonight and the part with the comet in the sky totally brought chills down my spine! I couldn't help but think about how we could very well be seeing a similar sight at some time in the near future.

Indeed.. widespread revolution/war, a coming ice age-like event, and a comet overhead. Sounds very similar to what has been predicted here. Despite being just another distraction, the show is interesting
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 11:19:17 AM »
Between the first and second season, I have read the book series and it is really worth reading. So much more in there. I would have never thought I would enjoy reading fantasy (not my favourite genre) but Martin is a master. The books are real page turners and you get through hundreds of pages in no time.

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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 12:05:16 PM »
I watched the first episode of the 2nd season tonight and the part with the comet in the sky totally brought chills down my spine! I couldn't help but think about how we could very well be seeing a similar sight at some time in the near future.

Also the remark about the relation between comets and dragon myths was interesting.

quote from the episode :
"The red comet means one thing, boy...dragons"

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2012, 06:42:22 PM »
I watched DVDs of most of first season.  At first I was repulsed because I took it to be just another instance of pushing the entertainment envelope in the direction of cultural desensitization to foulness, violence, depravity, etc.  But, I have to say it's really well done, having the close involvement of the books' author, GRR Martin.  I really think he understands common human nature, including psychopathy, intuitively -- and this is rare to see in entertainment, in my experience.  Almost *everything* in it is about deceit, lying, manipulation, thievery, greed, conspiracy, revenge, brutality, murder, and seemingly every base expression of self-service such as intemperance, infidelity, abuse, incest, pedophilia, cruelty, etc.  The dialog is raw and revealing and no aspect of human behavior, no matter how ugly, seems to be out of scope.  Being so open and plain and accurate about human behavior is surprising. 

I agree that the sex and violence is gratuitous and overdone, but that's for shock-value, for ratings, for those who respond to nothing more subtle.  But this lack of subtlety also extends to the characters' motivations, and that's what makes it most interesting to me.  It is naked, real-world humanity on display, revealed in high-quality dialogue.  Power is everything.  That means money and brute force, and the show makes this obvious.  Everyone motivated by power controls others either by threat, reward, deceit or a combination thereof.  Hey, it's the real world, precisely!  Setting the story in a fictional realm actually makes it easier to see all of this, I think.  Although the average viewer will probably take it just as fantasy and not connect it to people being exactly the same way today -- we hide these things so well in "civilized" society. 

One of the "noble houses" represents pure, genetic psychopathy.  Everything they do is about scheming, manipulation, "anyone not us is an enemy" -- and you see them reinforcing these concepts to each other and their next generation.  The methods of their manipulations are plainly revealed by their speech.  It's eye-opening.  For those characters that are shown to possess some conscience and true feelings despite the brutality of their society, they are utterly still under the sway of that societal programming -- which is described as tradition, custom, habit, ritual, "the way it is," etc., and they engage in the same power games to survive - threat, intimidation, fear, reward.  Most of the other characters are basically "fence sitters," taking the easy road of loyalty to whatever power currently benefits them most.  So, this fictional realm looks pretty much like the real world to me, while most entertainment reflects a misconception of reality, either by mistake or by design. 

I nearly forgot to mention -- as others have -- the show has a thread of hinting at something like a semi-supernatural apocalypse bearing down on the whole world. 
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2013, 12:05:26 AM »
The most recent pertinent remark (Season 3, ep.2) spoken by the king beyond the north wall, on how he united the many clashing clans under his banner:
"I told them that we're all going to die if we don't get south, because that's the truth"
This one 'sung' to me at least. It does seem like the series writers or possibly the original author? is in some way being inspired to reference some truths which are not being covered in factional media.
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2013, 03:23:52 PM »
The most recent pertinent remark (Season 3, ep.2) spoken by the king beyond the north wall, on how he united the many clashing clans under his banner:
"I told them that we're all going to die if we don't get south, because that's the truth"
This one 'sung' to me at least. It does seem like the series writers or possibly the original author? is in some way being inspired to reference some truths which are not being covered in factional media.

Yeah, remarks like that one, and the repeated references to "winter is coming" and the appearance of the comet, all also send chills down my spine, as D mentioned. 
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2013, 03:33:32 PM »
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The show is gritty and the books even more so. The royalty are mostly a bunch of dirty, nasty, power-hungry people.

The author used historical periods like the hundred years war as inspiration and tried to imagine what the constant scheming of all these lords grasping for power might have been like. The characters in the books are complex and well-developed which is why they are so addictive for me. The religion aspect is more important in the books with the "old gods" being obviously modeled on the eradicated pagan religions of Europe whose power rests only on in the wild places, "The Seven" modeled on catholicism, and another religion modeled on the monotheistic focus of Christianity.
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I agree with this, and because of it, I just started to read books, and it looks be grittier than show, indeed!

I think some parts of the series are really well made (the opening credits animation is really beautiful and clever and the music also, the costumes, the hair, the sets), the intrigue is interesting (although not really what one would call fast-paced) but it is very violent.
I could do without some of the raunchy sex scenes as well. There is at least one in every episode and most of them bring nothing whatsoever to the story. I get that they want to portrait how depraved, sex-driven, etc. the characters are but a nod here and there would be enough imo. Some characters (mostly women) must not cost a lot in terms of wardrobe...  :lol:

Agree with this too, and maybe others having reading the entire story will can tell more, but it seems not have all these sex scenes in books, and it must be specific to the show, but nod needed at all...
The most recent pertinent remark (Season 3, ep.2) spoken by the king beyond the north wall, on how he united the many clashing clans under his banner:
"I told them that we're all going to die if we don't get south, because that's the truth"
This one 'sung' to me at least. It does seem like the series writers or possibly the original author? is in some way being inspired to reference some truths which are not being covered in factional media.

Yeah, remarks like that one, and the repeated references to "winter is coming" and the appearance of the comet, all also send chills down my spine, as D mentioned.

And this also came to my mind two years ago while I was watching the first season (and while I was discovering the Laura's work), indeed...
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2013, 04:04:51 PM »
In light of the hemochromatosis thread ( http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30709.0.html ) and bloodline trails thread (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,30982.0.html), it is ironic that all of the houses are all fighting over the "iron" throne.
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2013, 04:25:30 PM »
The most recent pertinent remark (Season 3, ep.2) spoken by the king beyond the north wall, on how he united the many clashing clans under his banner:
"I told them that we're all going to die if we don't get south, because that's the truth"
This one 'sung' to me at least. It does seem like the series writers or possibly the original author? is in some way being inspired to reference some truths which are not being covered in factional media.

I think the author of the books didn't let Mance Rayder say it that clear, or I was surprised when he said it on TV and wondered if I misread it, at least I couldn't find that phrase in the book. In the book it has more to do with the "others" as I understood and "we free folks know things you kneelers have forgotten". Nonetheless winter is coming ;).
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Re: Game of Thrones Tv Show
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2013, 12:04:51 PM »
Indeed, the w..inter is coming ;)
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