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Oslo Bombing and Utoya Island Massacre
Eboard10:
Interesting call with Alex Jones about a witness seeing men in black around the area before the bombing in Oslo earlier today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K17eZioS_hA
Also, interesting comment made by a viewer on youtube:
--- Quote ---"Norway backs Palestinian bid for UN recognition in September" - July 21, 2011
"Norway Announces Withdrawal From Libya Campaign by Aug 1" - June 10, 2011
Just in November, U.S was caught spying on citizens of 5 scandinavian countries which include Norway. google: 'Major spy scandal as five Scandinavian governments catch the U.S. watching their citizens'. This was a long time pre-planned operation.
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Perceval:
Sounds like more of the 'same old same old'. Keeping the terror threat ticking over. Once we understand the modus of the intel agencies, it's pretty transparent. I mean an "unknown group called 'Helpers of the Global Jihad"????
Of course, knowing who is most likely behind it does nothing to dampen the horrific nature of it, it makes it even worse (if that's even possible). :cry:
Guardian:
Anyone see a pattern here?
_http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/norway-backs-palestinian-bid-for-un-recognition-in-september-1.373914
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Latest update 20:59 18.07.11
Norway backs Palestinian bid for UN recognition in September
Norwegian FM says 'it is perfectly legitimate' for Palestinian president to turn to the UN with a proposal for statehood.
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_http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=402842
--- Quote ---Report: Iceland backs recognition of Palestinian state
Published Wednesday 06/07/2011 (updated) 06/07/2011 14:34
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AMMAN, Jordan (Ma'an) -- Iceland's foreign minister on Tuesday indicated that his country would support a Palestinian initiative to gain recognition of statehood, a Jordanian news service reported.
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_http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/finnish-fm-confirms-support-to-pa/
--- Quote ---Finnish FM confirms support to PA
April 29, 2011 by occupiedpalestine 0 Comments
HELSINKI, Finland (Ma’an) — Finland’s foreign affairs minister confirmed his country’s support for the Palestinian Authority’s political and economic program, in a meeting with caretaker PA Planning Minister Ali Al-Jarbawi on Friday.
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_http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/586/a/108948
--- Quote ---Sweden increases its support to the Palestinian Authority
Today the Government decided to earmark SEK 50 million for direct support to the Palestinian Authority.
"The Palestinian Authority is in a difficult economic situation and risks collapse if wage and other payments cannot be made. A functioning Palestinian Authority is a prerequisite for a peaceful and sustainable solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Consequently it has been a matter of urgent concern to us to be able to give Prime Minister Fayyad a speedy and positive response," says Minister for International Development Cooperation Gunilla Carlsson.
Sweden is one of the largest donors to the Palestinians.
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_http://www.ambbeirut.um.dk/en/menu/AboutUs/News/DANISHGOVERNMENTANNOUNCESUPGRADINGTHESTATUSOFTHEPALESTINIANREPRESENTATIONINCOPENHAGEN.htm?printmode=True
--- Quote ---DANISH GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCES UPGRADING THE STATUS OF THE PALESTINIAN REPRESENTATION IN COPENHAGEN
Danish FM Espersen meets President Abbas i Copenhagen
On March 9, 2011 the Danish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mrs. Espersen met with the President of the Palestinian Authority, Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, during his first visit to Denmark. This was an excellent occasion to discuss the lack of progress in the peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians and to listen to the Palestinian assessment of ways to break the deadlock and views on the events unfolding in the region. The Foreign Minister stressed that both parties share a responsibility to resume the negotiations and encouraged President Abbas to return to the negotiating table. The Foreign Minister also expressed appreciation for the Palestinian achievements in state-building and announced the Danish Government’s decision to upgrade the status of the Palestinian representation in Denmark.
Denmark strongly supports the Palestinian state-building agenda and has been promoting EU-support to Prime Minister Fayyad’s ambitious two-year development plan aimed at establishing the necessary foundation for a viable Palestinian state.
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_http://www.shoah.org.uk/2011/07/20/norway-backs-palestinian-bid-for-un-recognition-in-september/
--- Quote ---Norway backs Palestinian bid for UN recognition in September
Posted on20 July 2011.
Norwegian FM says ‘it is perfectly legitimate’ for Palestinian president to turn to the UN with a proposal for statehood.
Norway, host of the 1993 Palestinian-Israeli peace accords, said on Monday it was “perfectly legitimate” for Palestinians to take their case for statehood to the United Nations for voting in September.
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Aragorn:
Latest news, this is really shocking:
_http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html
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July 22, 2011
At Least 80 Are Dead in Norway Shooting
By ELISA MALA and J. DAVID GOODMAN
OSLO — A lone political extremist bombed the government center here on Friday, killing 7 people, the police said, before heading to an island summer camp for young members of the governing Labor Party and killing at least 80 people.
The police arrested a 32-year-old Norwegian man in connection with both attacks, the deadliest on Norwegian soil since World War II.
The explosions in Oslo, from one or more bombs, turned the tidy Scandinavian capital into a scene reminiscent of terrorist attacks in Baghdad or Oklahoma City, panicking people and blowing out windows of several government buildings, including one housing the office of the Norwegian prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, who was unharmed.
The state television broadcaster, citing the police, said seven people had been killed and at least 15 wounded in the explosions, which they said appeared to be an act of domestic terrorism.
Even as the police locked down a large area of the city after the blasts, the suspect, dressed as a police officer, entered the youth camp on the island of Utoya, about 19 miles northwest of Oslo, a Norwegian security official said, and opened fire. “He said it was a routine check in connection with the terror attack in Oslo,” one witness told VG Nett, the Web site of a national newspaper.
Of the at least 80 people killed on the island, some were as young as 16, the police said on national television early Saturday.
Terrified youths jumped into the water to escape. “Kids have started to swim in a panic, and Utoya is far from the mainland,” said Bjorn Jarle Roberg-Larsen, a Labor Party member who spoke by phone with teenagers on the island, which has no bridge to the mainland. “Others are hiding. Those I spoke with don’t want to talk more. They’re scared to death.”
Many could not flee in time.
“He first shot people on the island,” a 15-year-old camper named Elise told The Associated Press. “Afterward he started shooting people in the water.”
Most of the campers were teenagers but there were also adults on the island, who may have been among the victims.
After the shooting the police seized a 32-year-old Norwegian man on the island, according to the police and Justice Minister Knut Storberget. He was later identified as Anders Behring Breivik and characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist, citing previous writings including on his Facebook page.
The acting police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, said the suspect’s Internet postings “suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but if that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen.”
He said the suspect had also been seen in Oslo before the explosions. The police and other authorities declined to say what the suspect’s motivations might have been, but many speculated that the target was Mr. Stoltenberg’s liberal government.
“The police have every reason to believe there is a connection between the explosions and what happened at Utoya,” the police said. They said they later recovered explosives on the island.
Mr. Breivik had registered a farm-related business in Rena, in eastern Norway, which the authorities said allowed him to order a large quantity of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, an ingredient that can be used to make explosives. Authorities were investigating whether the chemical may have been used in the bombing.
A Facebook page matching his name and the photo given out by the police was set up just a few days ago. It listed his religion as Christian, politics as conservative. It said he enjoys hunting, the video games World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2, and books including Machiavelli’s “The Prince” and George Orwell’s “1984.”
There was also a Twitter account apparently belonging to Mr. Breivik. It had one item, posted last Sunday: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.”
As the investigations continued, the police asked people to leave the center of Oslo, stay indoors and limit their cellphone use. They also said they would initiate border checks.
The attacks bewildered a nation better known for its active diplomacy and peacekeeping missions than as a target for extremists.
In Oslo, office workers and civil servants said that at least two blasts, which ripped through the cluster of modern office buildings around the central Einar Gerhardsen plaza, echoed across the city in quick succession around 3:20 p.m. local time. Giant clouds of light-colored smoke rose hundreds of feet as a fire burned in one of the damaged structures, a six-story office building that houses the Oil Ministry.
The force of the explosions blew out nearly every window in the 17-story office building across the street from the Oil Ministry, and the streets on each side were strewn with glass and debris. The police combed through the debris in search of clues.
Mr. Stoltenberg’s office is on the 16th floor in the towering rectangular block, whose facade and lower floors were damaged. The Justice Ministry also has its offices in the building.
Norwegian authorities said they believed that a number of tourists were in the central district at the time of the explosion, and that the toll would surely have been higher if not for the fact that many Norwegians were on vacation and many more had left their offices early for the weekend.
“Luckily, it’s very empty,” said Stale Sandberg, who works in a government agency a few blocks down the street from the prime minister’s office.
After the explosions, the city filled with an unfamiliar sense of vulnerability. “We heard two loud bangs and then we saw this yellow smoke coming from the government buildings,” said Jeppe Bucher, 18, who works on a ferry boat less than a mile from the bomb site. “There was construction around there, so we thought it was a building being torn down.”
He added, “Of course I’m scared, because Norway is such a neutral country.”
American counterterrorism officials cautioned that Norway’s own homegrown extremists, with unknown grievances, could be responsible for the attacks.
Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks. American officials said the group was previously unknown and might not even exist.
There was ample reason for concern that terrorists might be responsible. In 2004 and again in 2008, the No. 2 leader of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahri, who took over after the death of Osama bin Laden, threatened Norway because of its support of the American-led NATO military operation in Afghanistan.
Norway has about 550 soldiers and three medevac helicopters in northern Afghanistan, a Norwegian defense official said. The government has indicated that it will continue to support the operations as long as the alliance needs partners on the ground.
Terrorism specialists said that even if the authorities ultimately ruled out Islamic terrorism as the cause of Friday’s assaults, other kinds of groups or individuals were mimicking Al Qaeda’s brutality and multiple attacks.
“If it does turn out to be someone with more political motivations, it shows these groups are learning from what they see from Al Qaeda,” said Brian Fishman, a counterterrorism researcher at the New America Foundation in Washington. “One lesson I take away from this is that attacks, especially in the West, are going to move to automatic weapons.”
Muslim leaders in Norway swiftly condemned the attacks. “This is our homeland, this is my homeland,” said Mehtab Afsar, secretary general of the Islamic Council of Norway. “I condemn these attacks, and the Islamic Council of Norway condemns these attacks, whoever is behind them.”
Elisa Mala reported from Oslo, and J. David Goodman from New York. Reporting was contributed by Souad Mekhennet, Ravi Somaiya and Matthew Saltmarsh from London; Katrin Bennhold from Paris; and Eric Schmitt from Washington.
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:
Correction: July 22, 2011
An earlier version of this article erroneously stated that Utoya is about 25 miles northwest of Oslo. In fact, it is 19 miles from central Oslo.
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osher:
--- Quote ---A Facebook page matching his name and the photo given out by the police was set up just a few days ago. It listed his religion as Christian, politics as conservative. It said he enjoys hunting, the video games World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2, and books including Machiavelli’s “The Prince” and George Orwell’s “1984.”
There was also a Twitter account apparently belonging to Mr. Breivik. It had one item, posted last Sunday: “One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.”
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Interesting.
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