Oslo Bombing and Utoya Island Massacre

[Galatea]

Not sure if anyone else read this. I just saw it on my Yahoo news a few minutes ago. An SMS dialogue between a young girl and her mother during the massacre. Reading it made me feel kind of ill.


Here's the link for the rest of the story: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/07/27/norway-massacre-mother-tells-of-daughter-s-terror-texts-from-utoya-death-island-86908-23300536/

Julie Bremnes: Mummy, tell the police that they must be quick. People are dying here!

Marianne Bremnes: I'm working on it, Julie. The police are on their way. Dare you call me?

J: No.

J: Tell the police that there is a mad man running around and shooting people.

J: They must hurry!

M: The police know and they have had many calls. It is going well, Julie. Police are calling us now. Give us a sign of life every five minutes please?

J: OK.

J: We are in fear for our lives.
M: I understand that very well, my darling. Stay hidden, do not move anywhere! The police are already on their way, if they haven't already arrived! Do you see anyone injured or killed?

J: We are hiding in the rocks along the coast.

M: Good! Should I ask your grandfather to come down and pick you up when everything is safe again? You have the option.

J: Yes.

M: We will contact Grandpa immediately.

J: I love you even if we quarrel from time to time.

J: And I'm not panicking even if I'm s*** scared.

M: I know that my darling. We love you too very much. Do you still hear shooting?

J: No.

M: Have you heard anything from the other people from Tromso? Grandpa is on his way down.

J: The police are here.

M: The person shooting is said to be in police uniform. Be careful! What happens to you now?

J: We do not know.

M: Can you talk now?

J: No. He is still shooting!

M: Joergen has swum to the shore. I just spoke to his father. This is everywhere on the national news now, all attention on Utoya now. Be careful! When you get the chance, you come to the mainland and stay with Grandpa of Hamar.

J: I'm still alive.

M: And thanks and praise for that.

J: We are waiting to be picked up by the police. We heard shooting just now, so we dared not get up.

M: Good! Good, well done. The evacuation is now ongoing, they are saying on TV.

J: We hope we will be picked up by someone soon. Can they not catch him soon?!

M: The anti-terrorism unit is there and they are working on catching him.

J: OK.

M: Should we try to get the flight home tomorrow?

J: I have no time to think about that now.

M: I understand that.

M: Do you know if they have managed to catch him?

M: Will keep you posted, my darling. We are following everything on television.

M: Hey, are you there?

J: Yes. The helicopters are circling above us.

M: Then you should be OK?

J: They are looking for people in the water, we have not been picked up yet!

J: What are they saying in the news?

M: The police are also arriving by boat to Utoya, otherwise nothing new. It is not clear what's happened to the shooter so keep still. Wait for someone to pick you up.

M: Now they have taken him!

Added:

It's not mentioned in the English version (unless I missed it), but in the French version (here: http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012351317-l-echange-sms-entre-une-mere-et-sa-fille-prise-au-piege-d-utoya)

"Il ressort notamment de la discussion que les victimes d'Utoya ont cru que les hélicoptères qui survolaient l'île étaient de la police, alors que c'était ceux de médias norvégiens"

They're saying that the helicopters that arrived were not the police, but the media. So, the media got there faster than the police.........

[Oxajil]

They're saying that the helicopters that arrived were not the police, but the media. So, the media got there faster than the police.........

Interesting how the police get there so late. When there was a shooting (9 April 2011) in a town here nearby, the police got there only after 20 mins, when the shooter had already killed himself and the threat was over. Three people died.

''To serve and protect''...

[Gawan]

They're saying that the helicopters that arrived were not the police, but the media. So, the media got there faster than the police.........

Interesting how the police get there so late. When there was a shooting (9 April 2011) in a town here nearby, the police got there only after 20 mins, when the shooter had already killed himself and the threat was over. Three people died.

''To serve and protect''...

According to them (the police) there was and is holiday time this time in year and the only chopper available was about 60k's south east of Oslo (the island is about 40 k's away). Maybe the killer suspected something like that, at least the holiday-time should be common knowledge.

[Pashalis]

they downgraded the death toll to 76 a few days ago .

_http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpps/news/international/police-lower-youth-camp-death-toll-to-68-wd11-jgr_3892607

Police lower Norway attacks death toll
Overall toll in the attack now stands at 76
Updated: Monday, 25 Jul 2011, 3:50 PM EDT
Published : Monday, 25 Jul 2011, 11:16 AM EDT

IAN MacDOUGALL and LOUISE NORDSTROM,Associated Press
OSLO, Norway (AP) — Norwegian police said Monday that the double-counting of bodies in the chaotic aftermath of a shooting spree may have contributed to a dramatic overestimate of the number of people slain, but they offered few other details about the error.

 

The sharp reduction in the death toll, from 86 to 68, added to a list of police misteps. Officers took 90 minutes to arrive after the first shot was fired at youth gathering for a political party retreat on an island resort. People who called emergency services from the island have reported being told by operators to stay off the lines unless they were calling about an earlier bombing in the capital carried out by the same attacker.

Police also raised the number of dead in Friday's bomb blast in the capital's government quarter to eight, from seven. The total number of people confirmed killed in the twin attacks is now 76, down from 93.

There was no indication that any specific person was erroneously reported to have died.

Police blamed the mix-up on the chaotic situation that erupted on Utoya island when police and rescue workers tried to sort the injured from the dead under mounting pressure to reveal that the number of slain youths was much higher than originally reported.

"It could be that some were counted twice," police spokesman Oystein Maeland told reporters at a news conference in Oslo, explaining that bodies were spread all over the island and some of the dead hidden under other bodies. "But it was necessary to get that information out there (fast) because it was sky-high compared with the number that media had been given."

A 32-year-old Norwegian, Anders Behring Breivik, is a suspect in both the Oslo blast and the camp shooting. He was seized on the island in a lake northwest of Oslo and is in custody.

Police initially set the death toll from the shooting at 10.

But as survivors left the island, people began saying online and to news media that the total number of fatalities was much higher. Early Saturday morning, police released a statement saying some 80 people had likely been killed.

"The situation was almost impossible to assess," Maeland said. "We saw that people that had survived started posting on the Internet how many dead bodies they had seen and it was important for us to go public with this. Afterward we realize it was necessary to make a downgrade."

Still, as rescue workers continue to comb the area and search the waters around the island, the tally of victims could grow, police said.

are this the real reasons for the downgrad or are there other reasons ?

[Tigersoap]

I am puzzled and maybe for no good reasons that no one on the island took pictures of him or started to record the shootings, with the ease any mobile phone can do this I was wondering.
Of course with the panic and the fear of getting shot it might not be the first thing that would come to mind to do.

There is a video of the killer standing on the shore on youtube which was recorded by an helicopter.
Viewer discretion advised : _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so1MJz1WSiI
I can't stop thinking about the people who lost their lives or a close one that day 

[Gawan]

Currently is making a new spin it's round, regarding overall terrorism. At least CIA is stating, that Al Qaeda is on the verge of being destroyed, due to the successful murder of bin Laden this year. And eventually these new statements could lead to, that more single and radical individuals could be suspected doing terror threats etc., turning away from only "muslim terror suspects" to almost anyone and that nobody is safe etc. Well, at least this is something I'm hearing at the moment in the news: it could happen any time...

_http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/al-qaeda-on-verge-of-being-destroyed-paper-says/article2111001/?from=sec431

I don't know if this is too far stretched or really a new course of the PTB.

[Al Today]

Seems "they" are trying to give reason to begin a new campaign searching for home grown terrorists. The "new" evil. That probably means the Police State will become more pronounced, visible and will protect us all.

Generations of social engineering,  indoctrinating lies, propaganda, malnourishment, mental and physical poisoning, and degeneration of the machine is beginning to bear fruit for the bad dudes. I wonder if there were others like us in past civilizations that watched their own destruction?
 

[Aquilla]

Is there a newspaper that will publish the transcript in the original language?

I haven`t found one yet. Where did you get the stream from?

Interesting how the police get there so late.

There was bombs going of beforehand in Oslo so the situation was probably very chaotic. I don`t think the authorities was ready for this in the middle of the summer holidays. But there is of course the probability that someone intentionally obstructed them.

[Away With The Fairys]

Is there a newspaper that will publish the transcript in the original language?

I haven`t found one yet. Where did you get the stream from?

Interesting how the police get there so late.

There was bombs going of beforehand in Oslo so the situation was probably very chaotic. I don`t think the authorities was ready for this in the middle of the summer holidays. But there is of course the probability that someone intentionally obstructed them.

Hi Arne
You have Quoted from Mr. Premise and attached it to me. If your question regarding the stream means where did the news of the firefighter hearing 3 shots after Breivik was arrested. The question and answer was on the BBC live. I was watching it.

[go2]

Sott.net Archive article by Wayne Madsen-After Oslo:Time to Crack Down On Mossad Terrorism looks at Israel's hatred of Norway's refusal to endorse genocide in Gaza. Wayne Madsen has deep connections in intelligence organizations and the mind of a great detective. First he examines the context of the terror attack and then asks; Qui bono? Who has motive and opportunity to carry out a military operation of this magnitude?

[Vulcan59]

And in case you missed it, Joe has an article out about the event.   

[voyageur]

And in case you missed it, Joe has an article out about the event.   

Good possible dot connected here Joe: A revenge 'signature' action & message sent?

...65 years, to the day, after the original Zionist terror group Irgun, bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. While all the other details strongly suggest an Israeli hand behind this particular act of inhumanity, perhaps the timing is the real Israeli ‘signature’. The bombing of the Kind David hotel was an attempt by Zionist terrorists to prevent foreign intervention in their plans for covert global domination. The attacks in Oslo and Utoya island fit the same profile.

[Pashalis]

And in case you missed it, Joe has an article out about the event.   

can somebody tell me what the source of "The second alleged gunman being arrested and then 'disappeared'"
picture is ?

I also saw that picture in a SOTT article as a comment by the Editors, I'm not able to find the source of that picture.
what is the source ?

[Perceval]

And in case you missed it, Joe has an article out about the event.   

can somebody tell me what the source of "The second alleged gunman being arrested and then 'disappeared'"
picture is ?

I also saw that picture in a SOTT article as a comment by the Editors, I'm not able to find the source of that picture.
what is the source ?

The UK Sun tabloid, but has since been 'disappeared'.

[Away With The Fairys]

And in case you missed it, Joe has an article out about the event.   

can somebody tell me what the source of "The second alleged gunman being arrested and then 'disappeared'"
picture is ?

I also saw that picture in a SOTT article as a comment by the Editors, I'm not able to find the source of that picture.
what is the source ?

The UK Sun tabloid, but has since been 'disappeared'.

Was the picture published in the hard copy that hit the streets or was it only internet ? Is it worth sending a mail or contacting them regarding the photograph?