book primal body primal mind

I am currently reading this very informative book and it's expanding my knowledge of what is healthy. I'm cutting out ALL starchy vegetables and ALL grains. In fact I think I'm done with substituting, searching for cookie or cracker or other snack type foods. From what I'm learning, buckwheat, quinoa and many other foods that sounded ok to ingest, aren't.

http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/?page_id=1307
 
Hey chachazoom
Perhaps you can give a review/overview of her book/research?
I take it she is advocating a palaeolithic (eating lots of animal fat and a ketogenic/low carbohydrate) diet?

You may want to catch up on the "Life Without Bread" thread (and the book), and the The Vegetarian Myth thread (and book), plus the suggested books from those threads, if you get a chance.
 
Quote from the backcover of Primal Body Primal Mind Nora T. Gedgaudas

"Examing the healthy lives of our pre-agricultural Paleolithic ancestors and the marked decline in stature, bone density, and dental health as well as the increase in birth defects, malnutrition, and disease following the implementation of agriculture lifestyle, Nora Gedgaudas shows how our modern grain and carbohydrate- heavy low -fat diets are a far cry from the high-fat moderate-protein hunter-gatherer diets we are genetically programmed for, leading not only to lifelong weight gain but also to cravings, mood disorders, cognitive problems, and "diseases of civilization" - such as cancer, osteoporosis, metabolic syndrome (insulin resistance), heart disease, and mental illness.

Applying modern discoveries to the basic hunter-gatherer diet, she culls from vast research in evolutionary physiology, biochemistry, metabolism, nutrition, and chronic and degenerative disease to unveil a holistic lifestyle for true mind-body health and longevity. Revealing the primal origins and physiological basis for a high fat, moderate-protein, starch free diet and the importance of adequate omega-3 intake-critical to our brain and nervous system but sorely lacking in most people's diets-she explains the nutritional problems of grains, gluten, soy, dairy, and starchy vegetables; which natural fats promote health and which (such as canola oil) harm it; the crucial role of vitamin D in cancer and disease prevention; the importance of saturated fat and cholesterol; and how diet affects mental health, memory, cognitive function, hormonal balance, and cellular aging. With step by step guidelines, recipes, and meal recommendations, this book offers sustaibnable strategies for a primally based yet modern approach to diet and exercise to reduce stress and anxiety, lose weight, improve sleep and mood, increase energy and immunity, enhance brain function, save money on groceries and live long and happier. "

I'm not very good at writing my own review but I will say that this is not fluff nor same old same old. She knows her stuff and clearly explains the body's chemistry and reactions. There was even a hormone I had never heard of before leptin!

Quote from Nora Gedgaudas Primal mind Primal Body
" Leptin essentially controls mammalian metabolism. Most people think that is the job of the thyroid, but leptin actually controls the thyroid, which regulates the rate of metabolism. Leptin oversees all energy stores. Leptin decides whether to make us hungry and store more fat or to burn fat. Leptin orchestrates our infammatory response and can even control sympathetic versus parasympathetic arousal in the nervous system. If any part of your endocrine system is awry, including the adrenals or sex hormones, you will never have a prayer of truly resolving those issues until you have brought your leptin levels under control."
 
RedFox said:
Hey chachazoom
Perhaps you can give a review/overview of her book/research?
I take it she is advocating a palaeolithic (eating lots of animal fat and a ketogenic/low carbohydrate) diet?

You may want to catch up on the "Life Without Bread" thread (and the book), and the The Vegetarian Myth thread (and book), plus the suggested books from those threads, if you get a chance.

catch up indeed! I've been trying to keep up with the vegetarian myth but hadn't opened "Life without bread" which I see is a faster ride in the direction I was heading lol
 
chachazoom said:
catch up indeed! I've been trying to keep up with the vegetarian myth but hadn't opened "Life without bread" which I see is a faster ride in the direction I was heading lol

Both Life Without Bread and The Vegetarian Myth are very good reading. I am reading LWB now, in parallel with PBPM. LWB is in the bathroom. PBPM seem to have more of the details that I need right now to figure out what to do, while LWB seems to present the bigger picture well, sometimes doing a better job than any of the other books.
 
It's still frustrating that no one book covers ALL the necessary information!
 
Laura said:
It's still frustrating that no one book covers ALL the necessary information!

There may be good reasons for that. Some of these authors have done amazing jobs, but none of them have the kind of global network that you have for making connections. And even if they all banded together, if they really threatened to turn the tide then I would expect them to be "neutralized" by unseen forces.

What is most frustrating for me is that I began trying to do something about my health when I was 19 years old, and here I am, 42 years later, just now finding the kind of information I was looking for. And looking back on all the additional damage I have done in those years for want of a little basic knowledge.
 
Megan said:
What is most frustrating for me is that I began trying to do something about my health when I was 19 years old, and here I am, 42 years later, just now finding the kind of information I was looking for. And looking back on all the additional damage I have done in those years for want of a little basic knowledge.

You and me both! Plus the people I loved who have died for the lack of this knowledge... It's frustrating, painful, and makes me angry.
 
Laura said:
It's still frustrating that no one book covers ALL the necessary information!
Now there's an idea for a book in the making right there! ;)
 
I'm cross-posting this from the Life Without Bread thread:

Chapter 31 of PBPM has a scary story that should give us all pause:

Years ago, in the 1930s, a scientist and doctor by the name of Francis Pottenger initiated a series of now famous feeding experiments with cats that spanned more than ten years and several feline generations. His findings transformed many people's view of the role that diet plays in health and reproduction.

Certain groups of these cats were fed quality, fresh, un-denatured food and others were fed varying degrees of denatured and processed food, then the effects were observed over several generations. The results from the inferior diets were not so startling for the first generation animals, but markedly and progressively so in subsequent generations. From the second generation on, the cats that were fed processed and denatured diets showed increasing levels of structural deformities, birth defects, stress-driven behaviors, vulnerability to illness, allergies, reduced learning ability, and finally, major reproductive problems. When Pottenger attempted to reverse the effects in the genetically weakened and vulnerable later-generation animals with greatly improved diet, he found it took fully four generations for the cats to return to normal.

The reflections that Pottenger's work casts on the health issues and dietary habits of modern-day society are glaring and inescapable.

The time has come for us to decide just what level of health we choose to have for our children and ourselves. The choice is truly ours. A true state of health cannot be achieved by simply managing a disease process with either supplements or pharmaceuticals. Supplements can, at least, help, but by definition, they are supplements to a more fundamentally essential and healthy approach to diet. Also, we must somehow compensate for what we are being bombarded with from all sides.

Overwhelming modern-day circumstances have essentially eliminated our margin for error. The time for innocent indulgence has passed. We can no longer exercise the hubris of pretending we can get away with eating whatever we want, even "in moderation," and somehow avoid the unforgiving consequences simply because we are in denial of them. The consequences of ignorance, for many, will be beyond help. We are too many unhealthy generations of "Pottenger's cats" into the Industrial Revolution and the ravages of a deteriorating food supply, and we are too genetically compromised by all this to indulge in a dietary approach dictated merely by one's superficial tastes (e.g. comfort of junk food) or wishful ideals (e.g. vegetarianism and veganism. Many people no longer have the same resilience of even a generation ago.

{...}

I personally submit that we are now living in a world and in a time where there is no longer any room for error with respect to what we must do to maintain our health and survival. Pottenger's work has shown us that progressive generations with poor dietary habits result in increasingly more vulnerable progeny and that each subsequent generation with unhealthy dietary habits results in impaired resistance to disease, increasingly poor health and vitality, impaired mental and cognitive health, and impaired capacity to reproduce. It is all part of what we are seeing in our epidemic levels of poor health and the overwhelming rates of autism, violence, attentional disorders, childhood (and adult) behavioral problems, mental illness, fertility issues, and birth defects.

We are a few generations of Pottenger's cats, as humans, past the dawn of the Industrial Revolution and the ever-tightening tendrils of the unscrupulous, greed-driven food industry it spawned. We, as a species, have never been more vulnerable. Today, the effects of the increasingly widespread consumption of processed and fast foods are glaringly, if not disturbingly, clear. Add this to an increasingly contaminated environment, nightmarishly dangerous and spreading GMOs, a proft-based (rather than results based) and broken health care system, and a broken economy on a global scale, along with progressively inferior and deteriorating food and water supplies, and the implications are virtually, if not wholly, cataclysmic.

The odds are clearly stacked against us.

Her suggestions about what to do are very good except that they include this:

Because of this toxic onslaught, our need for antioxidants and the foods that help us produce them internally has never been greater. {So far, so good... but she forgets that the liver is the major detox organ and just getting in the fat that feeds and stimulates the liver and letting the liver do it's job is the biggest detox element of the human body!} Even though vegetables and greens were mostly an optional source of nutrients in our primitive, ice age past, the time has come to greatly increase their role in our modern diets, both to provide a varied plethora of phytonutrients and antioxidants to our beleaguered, embattled cells, and, to some degree, to provide fiber as a means of binding unwanted, conjugated, carcinogenic xenoestrogens and eliminating them from our bodies, preventing their reabsorption Plant foods are probably more important to us now than ever before.

She has, apparently, missed the boat entirely on the topic of lectins and dangerous plant antinutrients, not to mention the fact that plants today aren't what they used to be. And, the most important thing of all that she is missing is the gross irritation that indigestible plant matter effects on the colon, not to mention the fact that plants ferment in the intestines and a lot of toxins are REABSORBED by this slowing down and bulking up in the colon!
 
Laura said:
, he found it took fully four generations for the cats to return to normal.

That's atleast good to hear... that the damage is reversable, eventually.

Laura said:
Even though vegetables and greens were mostly an optional source of nutrients in our primitive, ice age past, the time has come to greatly increase their role in our modern diets, both to provide a varied plethora of phytonutrients and antioxidants to our beleaguered, embattled cells, and, to some degree, to provide fiber as a means of binding unwanted, conjugated, carcinogenic xenoestrogens and eliminating them from our bodies, preventing their reabsorption Plant foods are probably more important to us now than ever before.
She has, apparently, missed the boat entirely on the topic of lectins and dangerous plant antinutrients, not to mention the fact that plants today aren't what they used to be. And, the most important thing of all that she is missing is the gross irritation that indigestible plant matter effects on the colon, not to mention the fact that plants ferment in the intestines and a lot of toxins are REABSORBED by this slowing down and bulking up in the colon!

Excuse me for asking a stupid question, but I've been wondering if she mentions which vegetables and fruits were available at all during such an ice age? I'm sure that many vegetables(/fruits) that we eat today, surely wouldn't be available in such an extreme weather condition. And if some of them would, the taste was probably different (a lot less sweeter). I have yet to find a good vegetable/fruit that keeps me satisfied!

Here is something interesting on the Eskimo's:

_http://www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/resources_faq.html
How do people in the Arctic get enough Vitamin C and D if there is little sun and a limited amount of fresh fruits and vegetables?

While the sun (which is necessary to produce vitamin D) may not be out long in the winter, the extended periods of daylight in the arctic summer more than compensate, allowing people to get plenty of vitamin D. And although there are scarcely any fresh fruits or vegetables available year round to eat in the Arctic, people gain the necessary amount of vitamin C through the consumption of raw meats, which are naturally high in vitamin C.

Maybe the same applied then, too? (Perhaps the vegetables that were available had enough vitamin C in them, and perhaps also the meat (cooked, especially grassfed meat)

Thanks for posting these excerpts.
 
Megan said:
Laura said:
It's still frustrating that no one book covers ALL the necessary information!

There may be good reasons for that. Some of these authors have done amazing jobs, but none of them have the kind of global network that you have for making connections. And even if they all banded together, if they really threatened to turn the tide then I would expect them to be "neutralized" by unseen forces.

It is, in fact, directly reflective of the human condition - fragmented soul units and fragmented knowledge. It almost makes sense that no one person would have the whole banana, since no one person is truly whole - but a network, on the other hand, can get quite close.
 
Laura said:
Megan said:
What is most frustrating for me is that I began trying to do something about my health when I was 19 years old, and here I am, 42 years later, just now finding the kind of information I was looking for. And looking back on all the additional damage I have done in those years for want of a little basic knowledge.

You and me both! Plus the people I loved who have died for the lack of this knowledge... It's frustrating, painful, and makes me angry.

I feel the same way, being 60. I have friends close to my age who have not died yet but they are like the walking dead, and a few of them have been searching for knowledge for many years, but getting only disinformation. :mad:

One good story though. A close friend who is 58, asked me 2 months ago about the dietary changes I was making so I told her about high fat, low carbs. She started to read about it and slowly increase her meat and fat intake, and decrease carbs.
She has had HepC, with other liver problems and IBS for over 20 years. Recently she had some kind of scan on her liver, and she was told her liver looks healthy. She was pleasantly shocked! She considers that the change in her diet was the reason for this improvement, and I concur! Well, its a start if she sticks with it.
 
anart said:
Megan said:
Laura said:
It's still frustrating that no one book covers ALL the necessary information!

There may be good reasons for that. Some of these authors have done amazing jobs, but none of them have the kind of global network that you have for making connections. And even if they all banded together, if they really threatened to turn the tide then I would expect them to be "neutralized" by unseen forces.

It is, in fact, directly reflective of the human condition - fragmented soul units and fragmented knowledge. It almost makes sense that no one person would have the whole banana, since no one person is truly whole - but a network, on the other hand, can get quite close.

That suggests something regarding what's really being done here in the network - as has been noted, "4D connections are forming" - meaning a whole is forming. (Ra's term is "social memory complex") Perhaps, as things happening on different levels are connected, the growing of a whole knowledge in each of us corresponds in some way to growing connections with each other and becoming truly whole?
 
Laura said:
You and me both! Plus the people I loved who have died for the lack of this knowledge... It's frustrating, painful, and makes me angry.

I didn't mention watching other people. I really only have one person I am close to, and she has put herself on New Atkins and is starting to understand real-world health issues. But there are many people I know and work with that are showing very serious symptoms, and there isn't much I can do about it other than plant a few seeds of information here and there. It is especially frustrating working in non-profit healthcare and yet not being able to act on what I know, other than personally.

And then there are the people I was close to or at least especially cared about, that are gone. I have a completely different view now of what happened to them and what might have been done, and there is nothing I can do but learn from it. But at least I can see that there is a much bigger picture than diet and health alone.

Lessons.
 
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