Session 20 August 2011
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François
Jedi
anart,
This is your point of view. I have no problem with that. Please believe well, there is no hidden intention, my main (and in a way unique) intention is to better understand the object of the topic, having the opportunity to do via the forum. This is possible that some of my posts are not expressed in the right way, I am able to improve that anyway.
I am interesting by people having a kind of expertise on the discussed subject. I bypass all kind of greeting & sycophantic messages, not useful (my opinion). And I prefer read messages (like yours) posted with direct manner and expression.
This is your point of view. I have no problem with that. Please believe well, there is no hidden intention, my main (and in a way unique) intention is to better understand the object of the topic, having the opportunity to do via the forum. This is possible that some of my posts are not expressed in the right way, I am able to improve that anyway.
I am interesting by people having a kind of expertise on the discussed subject. I bypass all kind of greeting & sycophantic messages, not useful (my opinion). And I prefer read messages (like yours) posted with direct manner and expression.
Adaryn
The Living Force
anart said:
Wanted to chime in here. I think François doesn't do it "consciously". I think he's just being French. You can find plenty of such argumentative discussions and manners of talking on French forums - clearly, there's a lot of mental masturbation there. The point is not really to find the truth, but to prove and show that you're the most intelligent/intellectual/well versed talker - and the most stoic too: in France (in some intellectual, well educated circles), it's bad to show emotions during your "debates", since it means you'll lose face. As François points out himself: "I bypass all kind of greeting & sycophantic messages, not useful (my opinion)"
Thanks to the French educational
François
Jedi
Adaryn said:
I was born in France. Comment what you say shouId be not decent.
Adaryn said:
This is what you think, and I respect what you think.
I really believe in natural, human expressions of friendliness, sympathy and empathy.
Adaryn said:
Comment what you say shouId be not decent.
Mountain Crown
The Living Force
François said:
This is actually insulting. I wonder if you are aware of that, though it seems all too transparent that it is.
This comes across as sycophantic.
Francois, with all due respect, there's our desire to learn
and then there's talking about our desire to learn.
Galaxia2002
Dagobah Resident
Unfortunately this video was "removed by user". :(anothermagyar said:Thank you for the new session Laura and The Team!
What a great session, indeed!
[QUOTE author=Laura]People have claimed that they have heard an incoming fireball and in fact heard it and turned around to see it. There is the contradiction: the flash of light from the fireball is travelling much faster than any related sound.
{Remember the flash of light in the one video???}
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I was witness of that. When I was child the (90's) , I was with my family at the beach at night, when suddenly we heard like a thunder, and that was what keep us to turn to see the sky and see the meteor! The sound lasted the same that the bright of the meteor while it falling. There was not a delayed sound when finish the shine, it was synchronized!
Mrs. Peel said:
There is a definite upswing in the states, with a recent situation on sunday that went viral at a recent sporting event at a major league Football game, in San Francisco, with sproradic fighting in the crowd in the stands, due to a rivalry. Senseless brutality over color of a team jersey.
Alcohol is always a factor, and God knows what else is being consumed that ramps up every ones emotion to the point break inducing hate, and anger. Mix in the a dash of some sort electronic warfare, and you have a cocktail of violence that spreads like wild fire. It's if consciousness of ones action's is non existent.
In the stadium and the pretailgate activity's has become one big insane asylum that is out of control. Senseless, animal behavior, beyond comprehension. It becomes clearer eveday, that the states are on the Verge of collapse.
Responsibility is non existent, anything goes.
Beware Following is graphic and very sick,
49ers vs Raiders 8/20/2011 FIGHT Parking Lot Niners and Raider
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRfpwP9ZZsw&feature=related
49ers vs Raiders 8/20/11 FIGHT Niners and Raiders fans fighting CLEANER
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWo6H6GBuOQ&feature=related
Added Article:Violence and lead poisoning in Chicago
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2011/aug/22/lead-poisoning-chicago/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_must-read-stories-today
Peter Bella is a retired Chicago Police Officer, freelance writer, freelance photographer, and consultant. He is a passionate cook and eater. He likes to be the sharp stick that pokes, annoys, and provokes. His opinions are his and his alone. :/
anart said:
He's actually just being French. Ya gotta read "French Toast" and "The Secret Life of France" to really understand this. He does NOT see it as being obstinate and argumentative. Of course it is, but the education system in France teaches people that this is how to engage in debate and that engaging in debate is GOOD.
After observing for a number of years, discussing with some French people who the programming did not take on, reading those books, etc, I've concluded that a large percentage of French people - usually the more educated ones - have, at the very least, induced personality disorders as a result of the educational system.
You can't help but feel sorry for them, though, because it starts when they are VERY young. It's almost as bad - or as bad - as the gross ignorance that is imposed on people in the U.S. educational system. I don't know which is worse: to be totally ignorant and convinced that it is good, or to be loaded with a zillion useless facts and mental masturbation techniques and to be convinced that this constitutes the well-informed intellectual who can "think." Obviously, neither of them can think at all.
osher
Jedi
Francois, this is not about country, but a culture of a country that may lead to (if not transgressed) specific culture of a statement/discussion. Why do you write so many posts about nothing? It wastes our time to read important things. Please see, that too much noise is annoying also. To try to transgress one's culture is very educative and results in much humility. Love you, don't get resentful.
François said:
Francois, the nationality is very important. Please read the books I referenced above to get a better idea of how others perceive the French. Certainly, every nationality has characteristics that are irritating to someone else, but the Americans and the French are neck and neck in the race for obnoxiousness.
François, there is nothing "indecent" in what Adaryn wrote. It has actually been noted by many other people from all over the world, including some French. The are books written on the subject. Other things have been found out about every single culture. It is not a judgment, it is the objective reality when seen through many eyes, through facts and data, as you were discussing before.
Adaryn was actually defending you, because she was explaining that your argumentative and stubborn posts were just mechanical, learned. But you prefer to argue first, and not look at the truth of what is being said. You have been doing that in almost every post since you joined the forum. And it's OK!!! As long as you are willing to see it for what it is, and become yourself instead of remaining "a mechanical French". This is not meant to be an insult. Everybody is a "mechanical [insert nationality]" until he or she decides to change. Nationality forges us, with both the bad and the good traits of a population.
Since you happen to be French, and express yourself "like the stereotypical French", you got feedback about how mechanically you have been taught to behave. If you had been American, Italian, whatever, you would also have been pointed out the same thing about your culture.
That's all there is to it. But, being French (and that is common for many cultures), your education has probably always made you believe that you were unique. Well, you aren't. I've heard many people who talk and write exactly like you, and I've lived in France for 12 years.
Adaryn was actually defending you, because she was explaining that your argumentative and stubborn posts were just mechanical, learned. But you prefer to argue first, and not look at the truth of what is being said. You have been doing that in almost every post since you joined the forum. And it's OK!!! As long as you are willing to see it for what it is, and become yourself instead of remaining "a mechanical French". This is not meant to be an insult. Everybody is a "mechanical [insert nationality]" until he or she decides to change. Nationality forges us, with both the bad and the good traits of a population.
Since you happen to be French, and express yourself "like the stereotypical French", you got feedback about how mechanically you have been taught to behave. If you had been American, Italian, whatever, you would also have been pointed out the same thing about your culture.
That's all there is to it. But, being French (and that is common for many cultures), your education has probably always made you believe that you were unique. Well, you aren't. I've heard many people who talk and write exactly like you, and I've lived in France for 12 years.
