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Attack during sleep/Need help
Akar:
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Your point of view is understandable; different people learn differently. One example would be the process of learning about what happens when one touches a hot kettle. "A" may touch the kettle and get burnt and then tell others not to do it because it hurts. "B" may believe "A" blindly and not touch the kettle. "C" may decide to not believe in "A" and touch the kettle himself to see what it really feels like. "D" may decide to do research on the experience of "A" and figure out through any number of methods (like comparing if others like A have reported similar experiences, take a temperature sensor near the kettle to see what it reads etc) whether he should touch the kettle to figure it out or not.
Having a network helps a lot in taking the approach of "D" who could learn that touching a hot kettle is a painful experience without going through the painful experience himself. "C" also learns the same - but at the cost of a burnt hand. At the end of it, as the C's said, all there is are lessons. It is up to us how we choose to learn ours.
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agree and lessons are always welcomed :-)
Nienna:
--- Quote from: David Topi on November 27, 2011, 10:10:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: anart on November 26, 2011, 11:17:09 PM ---Hi David, no offense intended, since you seem to really buy into a lot of newage ideas - but how do you know that these people aren't just making it all up as they go along?
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Hi Anart!
no offense taken! do not worry, I am a compulsive reader so I take and study everything I can, and when possible, try to see if it works for me! So, whatever it works so far becomes part of my paradigm, and when something proves to be wrong or it is replaced by something different, then the old "knowledge" gets replaced. It is just growth.
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The problem, as it seems to me, is that you are not trying to learn about yourself. You let your false personality decide things for you, such as what to "believe". The "working for you" part is actually what works for your false personality.
--- Quote from: David Topi on November 27, 2011, 10:10:29 AM --- You may have discovered that something I believe now it is not correct, but I may be still in the learning process that I need to process that info to get to that conclusion.
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But what is it that is processing what you read? Your false personality, or your true essence? And without learning about yourself, which is a lot of work, I know, you cannot even see your true essence. It is well hidden behind your false personality. So more often than not, it is your false personality processing what you read.
--- Quote from: David Topi on November 27, 2011, 10:10:29 AM --- But I can not accept what someone else experience is, because that would be pretty much what the C's said of leading you by the hand, there would be no growth associated with it if I would take at face value what any of you believe (being that a general term :-)).
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No, that isn't leading by the hand. There is believing something that someone else says, and learning from others mistakes. Thinking that you can, by yourself, without working on yourself to know what programs are directing you at any given moment, discern between the objective truth and disinformation is believing a lie.
As the saying goes, "A smart man learns from his mistakes, a genius learns from the mistakes of others."
There is also this, from the Cs:
--- Quote ---A: Beware of disinformation. It diverts your attention away
from reality thus leaving you open to capture and conquest
and even possible destruction.
Q: (L) Is the information about the electronic ignition systems
correct?
A: Disinformation comes from seemingly reliable sources. It is
extremely important for you to not gather false knowledge as
it is more damaging than no knowledge at all. Remember
knowledge protects, ignorance endangers.
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--- Quote from: David Topi on November 27, 2011, 10:10:29 AM ---As this is why I enjoy coming to these forums (I belong to a few of them), you explain your point of view of the stuff you believe, you get people who agree and you get people who does not, some ideas make you see reality in a different way, some ideas make you not, but so far, so good :-)
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Actually, we believe nothing. We research, network, work on ourselves, which cannot be done without a network, and see things as objectively as possible.
Thinking that you can read a bunch of disinformation, that makes your false personality feel good, and then discern the few nuggets of truth, with your false personality steering your thought processes, is nothing more than believing in a lie.
davey72:
Hello Improvise. I would just like to add that you can do a search here on sleep paralysis for more info. I have been experiencing this a lot lately,and sometomes play the EE meditation in loop at night, so as to take advantage of OT wile i am paralyzed.
Serendipity:
Thx for suggestion davey72
I found something yesteday that stunned me! On youtube video there is almost exact snake like thing that I experienced few weeks ago crawling from inside me then out, it was reason why I made this post asking for help, cause it was most realistic attack expirience of all for me. I'll quote myself
--- Quote ---Finally the last type of event, the reason why I registered and asked for help, It happened this morning,~1 hour before dawn.I went to bed around 2 am.I couldn't sleep, something didn't let me to fall asleep.I heard my brother sleeping on bed next to me snoring around 4:30 am so i was steel awake,I thought it must be his snoring not letting me fall asleep so I got up and shake him up a bit and he stopped.I had to get up early and I really wanted some sleep at least. And I fell asleep but not for long,only few minutes after i felt endangered and woke up! I saw something that made me know the attacks in sleep are real as they can be.I was awake, I heard my brother breathing loudly like he was few mins ago when I stopped his snoring, but when i looked in front of me, on my chest, there was thing on my chest! It was thrusted in my chest in area of solar plexus.It was long black thing with something like parrot's beak on top but it was black and most of all it was in me i felt it pitched in my chest , as I said I wasn't paralysed so i moved my left arm to touch it, when I touched it something disgusting happened and I'm still disgusted of it :S It began to creep out of my body. And i was feeling it moving inside me, in my right part of body to be precise.I felt it move in me from my right foot through my leg and stomach then exiting from solar plexus area.
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Look at this video from 3:15 - 3:50 pls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkcxYKRZZYk&feature=related
omg how can it be almost exact same thing i saw crawling inside my body? does anyone know what it might be?
davey72:
I am not sure if it will help, or mean anything to you, but it is strange to me that it is so similiar to something that i just posted myself. Here is the link.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25944.0.html
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