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The Afterlife Investigations - Movie Feature - The Scole Experiments
Pashalis:
thanks Adaryn,
I've just watched it and it is indeed a fascinating documentary !
while I don't necessarily agree to the conclutions they come up with, I agree that the experiments shown in the documentary seem to show things that we can not explain by conventional physics/reality.
RedFox:
Interesting phenomena. Some may be genuine, some may have been faked....what I did notice very strongly though where the following:
An extraordinary level of emotional involvement (either ecstatic, or great pain and loss)....which where directed to an 'object' (either real or perceived i.e. that really IS my dead son). It appears to be (just like religious of old) a blind emotional investment in a lie. fwiw I wondered if this is perhaps not like some sort of 4D STS (emotional) milking parlor.
There was an extraordinary amount of assumption as to What the phenomena are (giving the lie to the emotional attachment).
Lastly, if you've read any of John Keels work it was almost identical to some of the things he documented. The fact they have an apparent image of a gray on film too....makes me wonder if there not just laughing at those involved....but thats supposition. Alternatively as that recording was made in a lit room, and they where told that doing it in a lit room would not work for years.....well isn't that interesting.
A few other points. Trance channeling rules out conscious controls/feedback so thats a big red flag there....heck I wouldn't want to invite something else to 'take over' my body/mind/voice.
If the film phenomena (writing on the photographic film still in the tubes) was real, from a 4D perspective writing on a 'sealed film' would be easy. The images (bubbles/landscapes/apparent historical faces, locations) where interesting from a few perspectives...one being that I've seen similar in EE, but they have a different flavor. So it could be a tuning phenomena...what/who they are tuning into is the key point here. Another possibility (given its likely some sort of 4D STS interaction is going on), is this could be the 4D dangling different 'hooks' to see what produces the largest amount of emotional feedback (food) - if they where susceptible to religious experience they would get more of that, or if they where open to new ages/alien love and light they'd get that (hence the pictures of pyramids with two moons) etc etc
So as with all paranormal phenomena, easily a trap if not understood with the correct context. Which brings me to the last point....no one ever seemed to take the position that Everything they where experiencing/hearing etc was a lie! Without that you are lost.
Kaigen:
Thank you for sharing it, Adaryn.
It was very interesting indeed.
Specially with the dropping objects from old times.
Pashalis:
--- Quote from: RedFox on November 09, 2011, 03:16:02 PM ---Interesting phenomena. Some may be genuine, some may have been faked....what I did notice very strongly though where the following:
An extraordinary level of emotional involvement (either ecstatic, or great pain and loss)....which where directed to an 'object' (either real or perceived i.e. that really IS my dead son). It appears to be (just like religious of old) a blind emotional investment in a lie. fwiw I wondered if this is perhaps not like some sort of 4D STS (emotional) milking parlor.
There was an extraordinary amount of assumption as to What the phenomena are (giving the lie to the emotional attachment).
Lastly, if you've read any of John Keels work it was almost identical to some of the things he documented. The fact they have an apparent image of a gray on film too....makes me wonder if there not just laughing at those involved....but thats supposition. Alternatively as that recording was made in a lit room, and they where told that doing it in a lit room would not work for years.....well isn't that interesting.
A few other points. Trance channeling rules out conscious controls/feedback so thats a big red flag there....heck I wouldn't want to invite something else to 'take over' my body/mind/voice.
If the film phenomena (writing on the photographic film still in the tubes) was real, from a 4D perspective writing on a 'sealed film' would be easy. The images (bubbles/landscapes/apparent historical faces, locations) where interesting from a few perspectives...one being that I've seen similar in EE, but they have a different flavor. So it could be a tuning phenomena...what/who they are tuning into is the key point here. Another possibility (given its likely some sort of 4D STS interaction is going on), is this could be the 4D dangling different 'hooks' to see what produces the largest amount of emotional feedback (food) - if they where susceptible to religious experience they would get more of that, or if they where open to new ages/alien love and light they'd get that (hence the pictures of pyramids with two moons) etc etc
So as with all paranormal phenomena, easily a trap if not understood with the correct context. Which brings me to the last point....no one ever seemed to take the position that Everything they where experiencing/hearing etc was a lie! Without that you are lost.
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exactly.
there is no way of knowing what it is/was that they witnessed. If they had studiet more into other arias they could have had a more objective approach to what they are doing and what it might be.
Tempus Fugit:
Watched this last night with my wife, thanks Adaryn for the link :)
Reminded me of a show that started on the Travel Channel this fall called 'The Dead Files' - anybody familiar? The show is about a woman who talks to the dead (and apparently non-human entities/shadow people if their paths happen to cross) and an ex-detective who seperately investigate haunted locations. She does a walk-through picking up whatever she can and he does the gumshoe stuff...interviews, property history, etc. At the end they get together and see what matches. Here's a link to part one of an interesting episode:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isoC7-01YpQ
Granted, this is television - it's edited like mad to be 'creepy' and has cheesy moments, however it is interesting on how accurate she can be, or at least seem to be. When it comes to these matters I think Redfox made a very important point and couldn't agree more:
--- Quote ---So as with all paranormal phenomena, easily a trap if not understood with the correct context. Which brings me to the last point....no one ever seemed to take the position that Everything they where experiencing/hearing etc was a lie! Without that you are lost.
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