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Study and Discussion of the Moving Center
Daenerys:
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--- Quote from: Laura on November 20, 2011, 08:11:48 PM ---From Mouravieff’s “Gnosis”
Cases in which time is dilated are the results of a considerable acceleration in the vibrations of centres, particularly the motor centre, which governs our perception of phenomena both in the exterior world and the interior world. In general, the more the individual's rate of perception increases, the more an observed movement will appear to him in slow motion. Conversely, the weaker the perception, the faster the movement or flow of time will appear to him.
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I experience this a lot so I know it's true. When energy levels are high, there is the sense of being spring-loaded, or wound up and ready to blast off. However, there is a difference to what is commonly meant by these phrases, because it is not uncontrolled physical energy as is commonly understood as physical impulsiveness, though there may be some of that. What I mean is that there is so much energy available, the perceptual aspect of this state is that I can see what is about to happen or what I'm about to do before it happens or before my body reacts to do it because there is plenty of "time" to observe.
This state will drive me crazy if nothing is happening, something is happening so slow that comprehension outpaces it, stuff gets boring or stupid, or there is nothing to do. Not that this happens a lot because I stay busy, but if I don't, it will. I know because I regularly have the 'benefit' of experiencing both "ends" of the energy spectrum: being hyperactive and hypoactive.
I wonder am I making sense here, because as more people accumulate or otherwise access more energy somehow, they will experience this too, OSIT
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This time dilation reminds me of when I was in a car wreck. It was an almost a frame by frame perception of time.
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venusian:
--- Quote from: Bud on November 20, 2011, 09:52:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Laura on November 20, 2011, 08:11:48 PM ---From Mouravieff’s “Gnosis”
As long as the child has not learned how to lie, he retains the marvellous faculty - proper to this centre - of spontaneously discerning the true from the false over a very wide range of experience. With time, education, and all that is instilled in the child, this centre is deranged and this faculty lost, to be found again only much later as a result of esoteric work, special exercises, and sustained efforts.
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Could he have meant "learned how to lie AND believe the lie" instead of just learning how to lie? How could a child have the ability of "spontaneously discerning the true from the false" without knowing what a lie is? Perhaps he refers to the child having created a covert mind-space and having reason to have learned or practiced the mechanics of making a lie? If so, I definitely agree because I can see the truth of it with my own eyes.
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It may be that what is meant by lying here refers to the assignment of meaning in general. And not something that happens consciously by choice or decision. As a child grows, the meaning of everything is largely made up from the input from everything and everyone around him. Since this input and its interpretation is not very likely to be constructed of 100% objective reality as it is, the meaning and thus interpretation of everything is entirely mixed up with non-objective, false reality or lies.
Daenerys:
--- Quote from: venusian on November 20, 2011, 10:54:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bud on November 20, 2011, 09:52:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Laura on November 20, 2011, 08:11:48 PM ---From Mouravieff’s “Gnosis”
As long as the child has not learned how to lie, he retains the marvellous faculty - proper to this centre - of spontaneously discerning the true from the false over a very wide range of experience. With time, education, and all that is instilled in the child, this centre is deranged and this faculty lost, to be found again only much later as a result of esoteric work, special exercises, and sustained efforts.
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Could he have meant "learned how to lie AND believe the lie" instead of just learning how to lie? How could a child have the ability of "spontaneously discerning the true from the false" without knowing what a lie is? Perhaps he refers to the child having created a covert mind-space and having reason to have learned or practiced the mechanics of making a lie? If so, I definitely agree because I can see the truth of it with my own eyes.
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It may be that what is meant by lying here refers to the assignment of meaning in general. And not something that happens consciously by choice or decision. As a child grows, the meaning of everything is largely made up from the input from everything and everyone around him. Since this input and its interpretation is not very likely to be constructed of 100% objective reality as it is, the meaning and thus interpretation of everything is entirely mixed up with non-objective, false reality or lies.
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Also, when a child is given negative feedback for stating a truth or being himself. He learns to "lie" by figuring out the appropriate response or actions to keep himself safe and receiving positive feedback.
parallel:
How could we, in this school, have a sort of stop exercise? Any alternatives that are possible on ones own?
As to the Bud's question that Venusian and EmeraldHope anwered, I'll offer my view. Maybe if the emotional center functionality is intact, the child sees the world as is (as in right brain hemispheric perception), but through adult interaction and imitation learn to lie by adaption. Buying into it and telling it simultaneously implied, to defend the schism of having insane guardians.
NB. There are 2 double postings in the Mouravieff part.
Buddy:
--- Quote from: venusian on November 20, 2011, 10:54:41 PM ---It may be that what is meant by lying here refers to the assignment of meaning in general. And not something that happens consciously by choice or decision. As a child grows, the meaning of everything is largely made up from the input from everything and everyone around him. Since this input and its interpretation is not very likely to be constructed of 100% objective reality as it is, the meaning and thus interpretation of everything is entirely mixed up with non-objective, false reality or lies.
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Well, if that is true then it's a beautiful day for me! I've not seen a statement on the matter quite like this before, so thanks!
It's hard to put in words, y'know, because the language can often be the problem in the first place! I have always believed the thinking center perception, or linguistic perception is the formatory apparatus, and 'meaning' that is assigned, is expressed and comprehended mostly in "words" for most of us. So, I feel that to the extent ANY word or word train fails to fully capture the objective reality that it (pre)tends to represent, the thinking center's content is all or mostly lies.
To me, that implies that the entire thinking center is at least slightly disassociated from reality to the extent there is any non-objective data (or non-acknowledged subjective perception) present. Does that make sense? That seems to make a strong argument for activating the emotional center cognition, at least.
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