Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention

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Will anyone here on the forum be going to the Electric Universe Conference on January 6-8, 2012?
Details and link below:
Exploring our Electric Universe

“Today, nothing is more important to the future and credibility of science than liberation from the gravity-driven universe of prior theory. A mistaken supposition has not only prevented intelligent and sincere investigators from seeing what would otherwise be obvious, it has bred indifference to possibilities that could have inspired the sciences for decades.”

David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill, Thunderbolts of the Gods

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EU2012 Conference - The Human StoryThe Thunderbolts Project is pleased to announce that it will hold its first annual Electric Universe Conference January 6 through January 8, 2012 at the Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas. This three-day conference will present a wide range of speakers and panels united under the conference theme “The Human Story”… Continue reading →

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Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Thanks for posting this, it looks like it will be some very interesting discussion going on, even if it is a little out of my league academically speaking. I was already thinking about planning a short vaca to Vegas during January, so I will consider checking this conference out. If I do go, will be sure to report back here any relevant info gleaned.

I was reading what one of the speakers, David Talbot, had to say about Elenin and was impressed with his approach. Here is the link in case anyone else is interested to read it: _http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2011/10/06/comet-elenin%E2%80%94the-debate-that-never-happened/
 
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Well, it's been a dynamic and provocative weekend. For those of you interested in Emmanuel Velikovsky and the Electric Universe paradigm, let me suggest these sites:

www.extinctionshift.com EH Dowdye Jr's work

http://mikamar.biz/ Wallace Thornhill, Dave Talbot, Donald Scott's books on the Electric Universe

www.commonsensescience.org/ Charles W. Lucas' site attempts to describe a universal force law.

www.robertschoch.com/ anthropologist who figured out how old the Sphinx really is.

There will be dvds made available of the conference in a month or so. speakers include Wallace Thornhill, Dave Talbot, Dwardu Cardona, Montgomery Childs (SAFIRE), Edward Dowdye, Charles Lucas, James Oschman, Gerald Pollack, James T. Ryder on the failure of the IBEX mission), Robert M Schock, Donald E Scott, and Gregory D. Volk (editor of the World Science Database).
DVDs will be available from Mikamar.
My brain is overwhelmed. I'm going to sleep...
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Thanks for the update and links, unfortunately I wasn't able to make it in time for the conference so was wondering how it went.
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

David Talbott's talk at the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSB93dGMGeg&feature=player_embedded

Looks like it went well, they say they will be uploading more talks soon. All the talk about planets taking a different configuration in the heavens, made me think of this:
Q: (A) Now, the major, the change of the orientation of the axis, what would be the main trigger, force, or activity, or what kind of event will trigger this change of the axis?
A: Cometary bodies.

Q: (L) Are the planets of the solar system going to kind of shift out of their orbits and run amok? Is that a possibility?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) Due to cometary orbits alone?
A: Yes. Twin sun also.

Q: (A) When we speak about these cometary bodies, are we speaking about impacts?
A: Some will hit.

Q: (A) What would be - if any - the role played by electric phenomena?
A: Twin sun grounds current flow through entire system setting the "motor" running.

Q: (L) Does this mean that all of the different bodies of the solar system are like parts of some kind of giant machine, and once this electric current flows through them, depending on their positions relative to one another at the time this current flows, that it has some influence on the way the machine runs?
A: Yes, more or less.
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Also "recreating a primordial event" goes with Mircea Eliade's Cosmos and History: The Myth of The Eternal Return. When we factor in all the research by Laura et al into what the thunderbolts guys have uncovered, the picture becomes very very interesting.
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

bngenoh
David Talbott's talk at the conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSB93dGMGeg&feature=player_embedded
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bngenoh and All,

Watched this just last night. Truly fascinating! I can hardly wait for more of the videos of the conference. If Laura and Ark ever had a conversation with David Talbot and Wal Thornhill - WOW.

Really worth watching!

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Rhiannon said:
Watched this just last night. Truly fascinating! I can hardly wait for more of the videos of the conference. If Laura and Ark ever had a conversation with David Talbot and Wal Thornhill - WOW.

Really worth watching!
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I agree, Rhiannon - definitely fascinating. Those stick figures I've long wondered about make so much more sense now, and the trident, etc. I'm waiting anxiously too for the rest of the videos. Thanks for posting this, bngenoh. :)

PS: Doubly agree on wanting to see the 4 of them get together! :evil:
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

We just recently watched Talbott's video "Symbols of an Alien Sky" part one and I have to say that a whole lot of it was so totally ridiculous that I could barely sit still all the way through. Talbott attributes about everything to the planets in the solar system all being very close to earth and taking a whole lot of ancient writings a bit too literally in the wrong way. If he would read Clube and Napier, he would understand that a lot of what he attributes to planets was actually due to a giant comet that broke up in the solar system over thousands of years (and there is evidence of this in numerous meteor streams), and that the ancients gave these comets the names that were then, later transferred to the planet when they were discovered. Clube reproduces some pages (on silk) from an ancient Chinese manuscript that shows all the varied types of comets that they categorized.

As for the Electric Universe video (part 2 of this about Mars), he's on the right track, for sure, but again, his explanation is just so ridiculous that it will probably only bring disrepute to the Electric Universe theories.

I do think that Velikovsky was right, that Venus was a comet that entered our solar system and ran amok and may very well have been the body that interacted with Mars (and later, Earth), electrically, but it is pretty clear from the ancient references and certain clues contained therein, that the Saturn deal was all about a giant comet, the progenitor of not only the Taurids, but other meteor streams. Read the text I posted on "The Origins of Astrology" in another thread for some clues on this.
 
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Laura said:
We just recently watched Talbott's video "Symbols of an Alien Sky" part one and I have to say that a whole lot of it was so totally ridiculous that I could barely sit still all the way through. Talbott attributes about everything to the planets in the solar system all being very close to earth and taking a whole lot of ancient writings a bit too literally in the wrong way. If he would read Clube and Napier, he would understand that a lot of what he attributes to planets was actually due to a giant comet that broke up in the solar system over thousands of years (and there is evidence of this in numerous meteor streams), and that the ancients gave these comets the names that were then, later transferred to the planet when they were discovered. Clube reproduces some pages (on silk) from an ancient Chinese manuscript that shows all the varied types of comets that they categorized.

As for the Electric Universe video (part 2 of this about Mars), he's on the right track, for sure, but again, his explanation is just so ridiculous that it will probably only bring disrepute to the Electric Universe theories.

I do think that Velikovsky was right, that Venus was a comet that entered our solar system and ran amok and may very well have been the body that interacted with Mars (and later, Earth), electrically, but it is pretty clear from the ancient references and certain clues contained therein, that the Saturn deal was all about a giant comet, the progenitor of not only the Taurids, but other meteor streams. Read the text I posted on "The Origins of Astrology" in another thread for some clues on this.
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Agree with what you said about him taking the writings a bit too literally. He tries to fit all the accounts into one event, not factoring the possibility that there probably were probably different events, and also the possibility that there was a planet where the asteroid belt know exists, and that it's destruction was what set about the chaos in our planetary system, generating comets and asteroids, along with comets from who knows were. Again we come to those devilish details. It seems that the picture becomes more and more chaotic the further back we go.
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

the video was hard for me to watch too.
he simply isn't objective in his approach and is a lot to enthusiastic about his "theories".
he is definitely invested in his ideas wich is always bad for true scientific work.

almost all the "Facts" he presented were like :rolleyes: :umm: to me

it is like with all other believes, If you believe in them to much you will be lost in subjectivity wich is very often false.
in addition to that you shut out or twist all other data that contradict your believe.

that is not truely scientific IMO
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

I haven't watched Talbott's 'Symbols of an Alien Sky', except for the brief excerpts in the presentation which is the topic of this thread, which I found a bit overblown.

I do think there were some useful observations made in his presentation, though. For one, the collection of rock and cave art from all over the world and their correlation to phenomena observed in plasma physics is amazing and very convincing. If true, these observations would remain valid even if he's gotten the planet/ comet part wrong. I especially liked how he showed these symbols becoming more elaborate through time.

I also thought his evidence that all the God myths of ancient history involved Gods who lived in the sky and over time became the basis of religions- which gradually lost all connection to their original basis in real-world observations is possibly quite valid. For me, this takes Velikovsky's focus on Biblical texts father back in time and gives it an even stronger basis. It also gives a possible insight into the conditions which have made religions so ripe for corruption and ponerization. Lost from their original basis, which really wasn't 'religious' but nevertheless held strong unconscious power in people's collective psyches, they became ripe for manipulation.

If you substitute his attributions to planets with comets and comet fragments, I think many of his collected observations remain worthwhile and interesting.
 
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venusian said:
If you substitute his attributions to planets with comets and comet fragments, I think many of his collected observations remain worthwhile and interesting.
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Yes, this is what i was thinking as well, although it doesn't seem to be that simple osit, as the Venus & Mars doing battle in heaven would seem to suggest.

That the most ancient myths and legends were describing phenomena in the environment is one of the big take aways from most of his presentations, osit.

Laura's "The Origins of Astrology" thread sheds much light on this. Again we are reminded that most have only pieces of the puzzle, and only networking and collaboration will assemble the true picture.
 
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venusian said:
I haven't watched Talbott's 'Symbols of an Alien Sky', except for the brief excerpts in the presentation which is the topic of this thread, which I found a bit overblown.

I do think there were some useful observations made in his presentation, though. For one, the collection of rock and cave art from all over the world and their correlation to phenomena observed in plasma physics is amazing and very convincing. If true, these observations would remain valid even if he's gotten the planet/ comet part wrong. I especially liked how he showed these symbols becoming more elaborate through time.
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Agree 100%. That was the best part of what he did. He just kept missing the boat on attribution! The plasma physics stuff was very, VERY convincing. But he just casually discounts gravity entirely and doesn't realize that mathematical calculations of gravity are what enable us to calculate space activities and a whole lot of other things, so it IS real and is NOT so easily tossed out.

venusian said:
I also thought his evidence that all the God myths of ancient history involved Gods who lived in the sky and over time became the basis of religions- which gradually lost all connection to their original basis in real-world observations is possibly quite valid. For me, this takes Velikovsky's focus on Biblical texts father back in time and gives it an even stronger basis. It also gives a possible insight into the conditions which have made religions so ripe for corruption and ponerization. Lost from their original basis, which really wasn't 'religious' but nevertheless held strong unconscious power in people's collective psyches, they became ripe for manipulation.

If you substitute his attributions to planets with comets and comet fragments, I think many of his collected observations remain worthwhile and interesting.
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Yup.
 
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venusian said:
For me, this takes Velikovsky's focus on Biblical texts father back in time and gives it an even stronger basis. It also gives a possible insight into the conditions which have made religions so ripe for corruption and ponerization. Lost from their original basis, which really wasn't 'religious' but nevertheless held strong unconscious power in people's collective psyches, they became ripe for manipulation.
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Could this be interpreted as, over a relatively short period of time historically speaking, people lost connection with their memory of their real collective history, or that dense-with-accurate-information-encoded-in-metaphor, powerful mythological/poetic consciousness (my interpretation)? If so, does the introduction of "gods and whatnot" represent 'selection and substitution' with new, relatively worthless myths, so to speak? Paleo-Ponerology?
 
Re: Electric Universe/Thunderbolts Project Convention in Las Vegas January 2012

Thanks for the link bngenoh. Definitely interesting, especially the rock/cave art aspect.

I didn't catch a hypothetical time-frame. Sometime around 3500-4000BC? Is that the time period associated with the return of the 'gods'?

Also, could not 4D STS controllers, when they were physically present(same time frame?), have used this naturally occurring phenomena to reintroduce themselves as 'gods'? Seems an opportune time....
 
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