Paleo diet vs vegetarianism

[Laura]

I think that being vegetarian/vegan/whatever just simply lowers your frequency and makes you more manipulatable at all levels.  Same with junk food, grains, etc.

[Endymion]

Is there a connection here? Is vegetarianism promoted by the psychopathic PTB because it is another way of trying to make normal humans like themselves – empty and always hungry?

Thanks Ailén and Laura for your replies. On reflection, I realised that the idea was a product of my adaptive unconscious, which arrived fully formed into my conscious mind like a flash of insight. It is a rather simplistic view of the situation, and that may be because it was a product of my adaptive unconscious. It was accompanied by a strong measure of self-importance, as in: 'Wow, aren't I amazing for having such a great insight!'.

The lesson for me here is to identify such 'flashes of insight' as products of the unconscious (if and when that is what they are) and use them as a starting point for further thought.

[anart]

Is there a connection here? Is vegetarianism promoted by the psychopathic PTB because it is another way of trying to make normal humans like themselves – empty and always hungry?

Thanks Ailén and Laura for your replies. On reflection, I realised that the idea was a product of my adaptive unconscious, which arrived fully formed into my conscious mind like a flash of insight. It is a rather simplistic view of the situation, and that may be because it was a product of my adaptive unconscious. It was accompanied by a strong measure of self-importance, as in: 'Wow, aren't I amazing for having such a great insight!'.

The lesson for me here is to identify such 'flashes of insight' as products of the unconscious (if and when that is what they are) and use them as a starting point for further thought.

I think you are misunderstanding the adaptive unconscious.  It is not the same thing as your imagination. The conscious mind can't directly grasp the input of the adaptive unconscious in the way you seem to be suggesting - it's not built for it.  What you're describing is your imagination creating a theory and you taking it as 'insight'.

[Scarlet]

I think that being vegetarian/vegan/whatever just simply lowers your frequency and makes you more manipulatable at all levels.  Same with junk food, grains, etc.

I never thought about that before, but it makes perfect sense!  Back when I was a vegetarian I had less energy and even fainted twice due to low blood sugar!

[Endymion]

I think you are misunderstanding the adaptive unconscious.  It is not the same thing as your imagination. The conscious mind can't directly grasp the input of the adaptive unconscious in the way you seem to be suggesting - it's not built for it.  What you're describing is your imagination creating a theory and you taking it as 'insight'.

That's interesting. I'm not so sure I agree with you, although that could be because your statement challenges my self-image. I didn't think it was imagination as I was not aware of any process of, for example, daydreaming before this flash of 'insight'. That suggests that imagination can be working completely automatically and unknown to me, until its product emerges into consciousness. Is that possible? I actually find it rather disturbing that imagination could be running in me autonomously, without any conscious input, although after reading Wilson and some of McRaney I shouldn't be surprised.

[anart]

  That suggests that imagination can be working completely automatically and unknown to me, until its product emerges into consciousness. Is that possible?

Yep.

[Endymion]

  That suggests that imagination can be working completely automatically and unknown to me, until its product emerges into consciousness. Is that possible?

Yep.

Thanks, Anart. It's one thing to read about this in Wilson and others, it's quite another to see it for real in oneself. It comes as quite a shock. Definitely something to ponder deeply and watch out for.

[Belibaste]

It seems that Gillian McKeith is something of a mentally unstable fraud,

Indeed!

Here is an excerpt of The Observer's article entitled "The vegetable monologue" written in 2005

Of course, none of this would matter if all the advice that McKeith was handing out was based on scientific fact. But this is not always the case. Much of what she says is patent nonsense. In the past, she has informed us that a seed contains ‘all of the energy necessary to make a fully grown plant’, that ‘chlorophyll is high in oxygen’ which means eating green leaves will ‘really oxygenate the blood’,

Obviously "Doctor" McKeith didn't eat enough chlorophyl, since we can see her here being treated with oxygen after she passed out (during a TV show in 2010)



Picture caption says: "Gillian McKeith was given oxygen by Dr Bob as she fainted after her Bushtucker Trial, the Crate Escape"

[Graalsword]

Yes, but I think that it can't be that simple. If physical hunger had such a strong effect, then why do so many people who starve to death for other reasons than being a vegetarian not become psychopathic? Millions and millions of people suffer every day from hunger, and a lot still try to help each other survive. Some of them have done really good things for the sake of humanity, even. Therefore, unless I'm missing something big, I think the hunger issue is really minor. It has more to do with what is inside each person, how easy they are to manipulate, and most of all, the fact that vegetarianism, like any of the main religions, is based on a big lie, principles, a twisted morality, and rules that make people cling to it and think they'll be saved and holy if they avoid animal products.

That's not to say that hunger can't create physical and emotional cravings, of course. It certainly does, and most of us here know it from having switched diets and knowing the huge difference it makes in our psyches and our health. But the issue goes deeper than that IMO.

I think you're right. Though of course I didn't think of literally starving people but rather those not getting the right fuel, however what I said didn't match what is actually happening with humanity.

I think that being vegetarian/vegan/whatever just simply lowers your frequency and makes you more manipulatable at all levels.  Same with junk food, grains, etc.

Yes, that makes a lot of sense judging what has been going on since introduction of agriculture in most of the planet. Thank you both for your replies

[bngenoh]

A few hours after i posted my comment, i realized that my comment was way too simplistic. Further development of that line of thought led me to a conclusion that is almost exact to what Ailen posted.

Reading your post Endymion, i realize that oh yeah the super computer that is the brain, is running automatically most of the time, and only in short instances am i able to querry, and get an answer, a lot of the time, it just spits out stuff that is interesting, but undeveloped. So anart, your comment is dead on.

[KristinLynne]

I saw this earlier and thought it would fit here in this thread. 

[AlternativeRe alm]

Most people that fail at a raw vegan diet  ( it is a raw vegan when you only eat fruits and veggies not vegetarianism) is because they don't eat enough and end up starving themselves. Then after they give up they have to remind everyone that also doesn't follow the correct way of a raw vegan lifestyle is to diminish others and spread garbage around like this thread. If any of you have ever researched the 80-10-10 diet and not buy into books that only serve to make a profit than you will realize what is going on. Try reading "The China Study" and you will be as blown away as when you found out John Kerry and George Bush were in the same secret society working for the same people.

[Laura]

Most people that fail at a raw vegan diet  ( it is a raw vegan when you only eat fruits and veggies not vegetarianism) is because they don't eat enough and end up starving themselves. Then after they give up they have to remind everyone that also doesn't follow the correct way of a raw vegan lifestyle is to diminish others and spread garbage around like this thread. If any of you have ever researched the 80-10-10 diet and not buy into books that only serve to make a profit than you will realize what is going on. Try reading "The China Study" and you will be as blown away as when you found out John Kerry and George Bush were in the same secret society working for the same people.

Before you write another post that embarrasses all the rest of us on your behalf, best read Lierre Keith's "The Vegetarian Myth" and the thread on this forum by that title.  Many of us are reformed vegetarians, a few of us nearly killed by it.  Like I said, you are in the WRONG bar.

And may I point out that nobody here goes to sites that promote and discuss vegetarianism of any kind to try to argue, persuade, or sway the free will choices of those who frequent them.