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Les Ordres, a film from Québec

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loreta:
We are talking these days about Canada, how Harper is a dictator and a psychopath. And it is true. But Canada has always been a country with plutocrats at their power.

This movie tells the sad story about a fact that happened in Quebec, in 1970. I remember that year because the army was on the streets. I was very young, 12 years old. It was my first contact with plutocracy. I did not know that at that time.

Les Ordres is about THE OCTOBER CRISIS: one English diplomat and few business man are kidnapped by a secessionist group in french Canada. The Canadian army is send in the Province of Quebec, and Martial law is declared taking all the civil rights of the citizens. Some intellectuals are round up and put in jail for many months.

These intellectuals are put in jail because the majority were secessionists and were activists for the rights of the workers.

So: in 1970 the Canadian Government send a clear message to the Quebecois. This is the story, in this movie, about this little crisis. In this crisis the Canadian power demonstrate to everyone in Quebec that they rule the country as they wanted: like a dictatorship.

A conspiracy was there, many people think.

This movie is very dark and sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Ordres



loreta

voyageur:
Thanks for posting, although i've not seen this film "Les Orders" but have seen a few documentaries and had first hand impressions on the streets during those days; although young. When reading this post was reminded of a book read back in the 70's by Richard Rohmer called separation. Rohmer was a general and an old RAF pilot during WWII and if correctly remembered he told a tail about Quebec and Separation and it seems their were elements of CIA involvement (stirring the pot) and the prize was resources, especially Hydro Quebec, water, natural gas, oil and pipelines as well as fracturing the social makeup. There was/is perhaps some likely reality/focus from those same elements. He also wrote a book (70's) called 'Ultimatum' which followed similar lines and involved the US president (a Texan) giving Canada an ultimatum and things did not turn out well.

loreta:
Wow, this is interesting. I am sure that what happened in Quebec at that time was a BIG conspiracy fabricated by our friends the Americans.  :mad: Quebec is the most rich province of Canada and the province that in a sense not wanted (alas now things are changing) to be under the orders of the Queen, Canada and USA. Quebec has electricity and many many trees (forests) and other very important resources, as you say it. Everything started when a diplomat was killed but before that some bombs exploded in postal boxes supposedly putted  there by a separatist movement (the FLQ) but we know that who putted the bombs where the RCMP (Police). Later came René Levesque, a good politician, very charismatic, very gentle and very, very intelligent. Again, Canada did everything to scare the people of Quebec before the elections : they were very important because they were the road to the separation of Quebec from Canada. There is an interesting movie by Denys Arcand, The Confort and the Indifference that shows how Trudeau and his clique lied to the people to scare them. But this movie shows how people are manipulated and controlled.

http://www.onf-nfb.gc.ca/eng/collection/film/?id=26039

This subject and what happened in those days are almost forgotten and the new generation, the young people, are not aware of it. Plus, Quebec is a province with many immigrants that don't know the real story of this province. When René Levesque died after a second intend to separated Quebec from Canada (he died at his home from a heart attack) I am sure he died of sadness and deception. The people of Quebec accepted to be manipulated, to be scared and to renounce to be free. I have the image in my mind of René Levesque crying during the Referendum, crying because again, for the second and last time, people refused to take their country at hand and refused change. This image is there to remind me of the solitude of people who are guides that live in a world of blind people.

Thank you very much for the information of these books, I will try to read about this subject now that I am more awake of everything.  :shock:

voyageur:

--- Quote from: loreta on March 31, 2012, 07:54:16 PM ---Thank you very much for the information of these books, I will try to read about this subject now that I am more awake of everything.  :shock:

--- End quote ---

loreta, first, did not mention prior that these books were fiction and yet there sometimes are elements of truth in fiction.

Quebec during these times as you know was a hub of world corporations of all types and anglophone predominantly but also German, Swiss, US etc., too. Rene upset the applecart and the anglophones were not happy; many moved out to Toronto, but for all the things corporate in Quebec, they would never release control even though the illusion of control was being seeded to separatists causes; yet there are no corporate differences in these causes. Rene fought the good fight but the ponerology was deeply seeded, osit, and Quebec since has been used as a wedge in many ways to keep people occupied from deeper intentions. Either in and outside Quebec the corporations, under shells or francophone names kept their statuesque. Planning and plotting has been the name of the game there for a long time and as usual, the people are swept up in the tide of divisions. In Quebec, the francophone were wronged historically, by anglophones, the church, corporations, upper Canada, but as you said today, the young and those coming now to live there do not know the past and are generally lead this way or that.


--- Quote ---Again, Canada did everything to scare the people of Quebec before the elections
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Indeed, even the very question of Yes/No was seeded to staying in Canada.


--- Quote ---I am sure he died of sadness and deception.
--- End quote ---

Being an anglophone, was likely of the few who appreciated Rene, he was much about people foremost and he was attacked relentlessly by the PTB, even from the ponerization elements embedded in his own party - he was betrayed.

The other thing that comes to mind, and don't really know, since the 70's is about the relationship of the political divisions as seen from the politicians in Ottawa. For the next 35 years, being a massive but fragmented voting populace in Quebec, these divisions have been perhaps useful, used to advantage by the PTB in Ottawa; the results of the last election going to pseudo socialists in Quebec will prove interesting in the future and in Ottawa they will not like this and yet moving the new leader of the NDP to the center may prove useful for the statuesque - not sure, but will pay attention. 

Thank you for the new link, will check it out.  :)

loreta:
Yes, you are right! The division French/English was a good trick to control much better Quebec and the populace. I was not aware of that when living there, even if I never understood why this division. Now I understand, I am late in understanding things. Not living anymore there (even if we think in returning) I really don't follow the politics of Quebec.

The dream of independence was really an illusion, a mirage. For me it was a mirage to be free of the American Empire and the English-Saxon Empire. When you are young you are an idealist. You are manipulated very easily.  :halo: The question I have to answer is : was René Levesque manipulated? I can not say yes nor no. I really don't know. I hope not.  :huh:

What I miss is people like him who was able to awaken our roots and give us the vision of a better world without the foot of the Americans or the English Empire. Is this bad? He educated people about Quebec, about the resources of the province, about the abuses of the corporations. He wanted also protect the French language, very fragile in Canada (America). Thanks to him French did not die, I think so. He thought that change can come with education and awareness.


I have found the book Ultimatum at Amazon.uk for 1cent!

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