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Dr. Jack Kruse - Neurosurgeon
SeekinTruth:
Yeah, there's that -- having a full time neurosurgery practice -- and the amount of material that accumulated on his site in such a short time somehow doesn't add up as he's the only one writing the material. He also answers almost all comments, goes on social networking sites, presents at conferences, does interviews, etc. How does he manage all this by himself? And one other thing that made me suspicious was that whole Homeland Security / FBI nonsense with the cruise.
Reminded me of the "911 Truth Movement" and others. When disinfo agents would get into situations of confrontation with law enforcement. Was THAT a setup to give him sympathy and credibility as people might have started digging into his background? We'll see eventually what develops, I guess.
dugdeep:
--- Quote from: Psyche on May 17, 2012, 12:44:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: SeekinTruth on May 17, 2012, 12:30:22 PM ---But he certainly doesn't "own" cold therapy as an option.
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Key concepts he has explained are found on cryotherapy papers written by Polish researchers among others. It is a science that he certainly doesn't own.
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Yes, the benefits of cryotherapy definitely stand on their own, but he has managed to make it "his thing" within the paleo-sphere. These last two incidents may be enough to turn a lot of people off of even considering it (heck, just his presence in paleo circles has already turned a lot of people right off of trying anything he's talking about - it's that polarizing effect he seems to have).
In the Robb Wolfe post on PaleoHacks (first link in my second-last post) he talks about cold therapy working via hormesis. This is when something you do is a little bit bad for you and mobilizes your body's own defenses, which is what actually has the beneficial effect. A lot of the wonder antioxidants that many people are crazy about at the moment work in the same fashion - they're a little bit toxic and thus the body mobilizes its own antioxidant systems to take care of it, which is what produces benefits like anti-inflammation. It has nothing to do with the antioxidant power of the substance itself (which often only has an effect in the digestive process, until the substance is broken down). This doesn't mean it's bad. Hormesis is a perfectly valid means of therapy as some body systems may not mobilize on their own, requiring a "trigger", as it were.
BUT, this really draws into question the whole idea of "cold thermogenesis", "ancient pathways" and "cold adaptation". If cold therapy is working via hormesis, none of this stuff really applies. This ancient pathway stuff might just be theatrics dreamed up by Kruse.
It'll be interesting to see what his "Factor X" is all about, which he's apparently revealing this weekend (more theatrics). It could be quite telling of what his deal is.
Masamune:
I tried listening to an interview with this guy and I had to stop because he was so obnoxious, he seemed pathological to me. I was actually expecting some things like these to come out about him. :/
LQB:
--- Quote from: dugdeep on May 17, 2012, 02:35:05 PM ---
BUT, this really draws into question the whole idea of "cold thermogenesis", "ancient pathways" and "cold adaptation". If cold therapy is working via hormesis, none of this stuff really applies. This ancient pathway stuff might just be theatrics dreamed up by Kruse.
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That could be dugdeep. There are some in the "alternative healing" community that swear by long, deep cold showers/baths without any reference to CT/ancient pathways/etc.
Prodigal Son:
--- Quote from: dugdeep on May 17, 2012, 02:35:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: Psyche on May 17, 2012, 12:44:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: SeekinTruth on May 17, 2012, 12:30:22 PM ---But he certainly doesn't "own" cold therapy as an option.
--- End quote ---
Key concepts he has explained are found on cryotherapy papers written by Polish researchers among others. It is a science that he certainly doesn't own.
--- End quote ---
Yes, the benefits of cryotherapy definitely stand on their own, but he has managed to make it "his thing" within the paleo-sphere. These last two incidents may be enough to turn a lot of people off of even considering it (heck, just his presence in paleo circles has already turned a lot of people right off of trying anything he's talking about - it's that polarizing effect he seems to have).
In the Robb Wolfe post on PaleoHacks (first link in my second-last post) he talks about cold therapy working via hormesis. ...
BUT, this really draws into question the whole idea of "cold thermogenesis", "ancient pathways" and "cold adaptation". If cold therapy is working via hormesis, none of this stuff really applies. This ancient pathway stuff might just be theatrics dreamed up by Kruse.
It'll be interesting to see what his "Factor X" is all about, which he's apparently revealing this weekend (more theatrics). It could be quite telling of what his deal is.
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I recall that earlier he said that 'Factor X' would be revealed in his forthcoming e-book, so it looks like it may be a string-along, to keep interest, to build and maintain a following - before ...
I recall that he said that he got the original ideas from a book and some papers he was given by a 'government (military)' worker - to do with Navy 'SEAL' training which was based on cold water immersion, maybe this is true that he was 'given it' (the Truth/Lie in plain sight) - or that 'it'/'he' was planted as a 'cointelpro' operator to get a following, integrate into the paleo movement, and gradually subsume it's credibility by his outrageous (beyond belief) 'acts' - whether 'self-imposed' or supposedly 'planted on him'. Also, it looks to me that his blog is running a little out of steam with new information, he may have come to the end of his line/time, hence the bizarre acts. It's open at the moment until more objective information arises.
There is no doubt that cold immersion works from the research available, and we know that that the Primal/Paleo diet works from our own research and readings, without any of his 'ancient pathways, etc gloss. And so far,that's all he has given.
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