Some missing posts after the forum came back online

Palinurus said:

Sadly, I have to report two missing posts of mine.

One was in the Cryogenic Chamber Therapy thread just between the now pages 6 and 7. I answered a previous post which is also missing, but in this case I don't remember the original poster's name.

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Could it be this post you answered ?
I don't have the author like I said.

I haven't done the cryo treatments yet, but I've been experimenting with cold showers. It has been pretty interesting so far.

The cold water here comes from a well, so it's around 12-14 C all year round.

Night 1:
Water was not all the way cold, but close. Got wet, soaped up, and before I could finish getting soapy, I started shivering like mad. I thought I was going to break the shower! Turned water warmer, and finished the shower. I was COOOOOOLD and couldn't stop shivering for 20 minutes afterwards. So, that wasn't too fun.

Night 2:
Hesitantly, I decided to continue my experiment. Same as the previous day in terms of temperature, but I didn't shiver at all. In fact, by the end of the shower, I turned the water all the way cold and rinsed a second time. No shivering, no goose bumps, and I felt pretty good afterwards.

Night 3:
Same as the previous day, and I like the cold water even more! All 3 nights, I slept very well, but after Cold Shower #3, I really started to notice that I feel much better afterwards. My head is clear, and my body surface (especially nose and ears) is cold, but I feel all warm inside like my blood is really circulating at warp speed or something.

The strange thing is that the more I do it, the more I enjoy the cold water.

I should note that I'm young and I have no major health problems. I'm also generally resistant to cold temperatures, despite being pretty skinny. After starting this experiment, I would like to try the cryo treatments.

One tip: when cold water hits your head and face, you tend to hold your breath. While I'm showering, and especially when doing my head, I sort of purse my lips and do a "cave-man breath" of slow, steady, forceful circular breathing. It helps a LOT.

I notice that when in the shower, the first rinse makes my skin turn red. I don't stand in the stream of cold water the whole time. By the time I'm done with the final SuperFreeze rinse, I hop out... and while my face is kind of pale for a minute or two, the rest of me looks normal.

Well, I can't wait for tonight's cold shower. I haven't been this fascinated by bathing since I was about 2 years old.

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Palinurus said:

The other one was in the Translation job from French to English (video) thread. I answered a comment from voyageur which is also missing. No text available for the same reason.

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Here the three posts I can find :
I hope it can help.

Great work Bastian, Palinurus and cs21

Incredibly grisly stuff - noted this from the first translation:
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(02: 58 - Maître Alain Leclerc) From the moment that there is a criminal organization which trafficked money, notably in money laundering operations, well it was noticed that in the three massacres - Canada, Switzerland and French – the ten Accountants of the OTS disappeared!

(03:11)
If there has been crime, murder, it certainly is for, I would say, shaping public opinion, that Justice, the media, the Police, went towards a purely sectarian outcome, to avoid interest precisely in financial machinations.

Third Video

09:03)
In the aftermath, Michel Pivert realizes that behind the mystic-esoteric Solar Man project, there is also and above all a huge real estate investment project, in junction with the sale of military lands. Pivert then attempts to alert the regional political class. But only Yann Piat, an atypical personality in the political mixture of the côte d'Azur, a former MP of the National Front but a sincere ecologist, agreed to intervene to oppose the sale. A few weeks later, Yann Piat was murdered.

Suicide of course it was later said.

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Incredibly grisly stuff

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Yes, indeed. And doing some parts of this translation brought it all much closer to home, so to speak.
Horrendous machinations behind the scenes - as might also well be the case in today"s and the former shooting spree in and around Toulouse. Hope all is well in the chateau's parts.

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[quote author=Palinurus]...Horrendous machinations behind the scenes - as might also well be the case in today"s and the former shooting spree in and around Toulouse. Hope all is well in the chateau's parts.

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Yes, read about this today. Ditto about the chateau! [/quote]

Ya'll are doing a great job! Carry on! We are still kinda workin' like maniacs here to keep up with all the stuff going on and our own stuff etc.

Hi Heaalih,

I don't know how to thank you enough for your efforts.

The three posts from the Translation job from French to English (video) thread are precisely those that went missing.
So any moderator or administrator could add them to the existing thread as there were no other missing posts over there previous to those.

The entry you found from the Cryogenic Chamber Therapy thread is not the one I responded to, as I seem to remember now that it was a contribution from manitoban. The one you brought up was posted by Mr. Scott if memory serves and has also gone missing (I just checked the whole thread). I'm not aware of the precise postnumber it should have but it definitely was posted before the one I was answering to - of that I'm sure.

Palinurus said:

I only bookmark the URL's from my postings, not their contents; so I can't help you out retrieving them.

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Can you give the URL you bookmarked ? I will search tomorrow and should find it with the number contained in it.
Thanks.

Alas, one of those things!
When I discovered that the URL didn't match any post of mine anymore I simply deleted it immediately and it's gone forever. So in this case we reach a dead end.

Palinurus said:

Hi Heaalih,

I don't know how to thank you enough for your efforts.

The three posts from the Translation job from French to English (video) thread are precisely those that went missing.
So any moderator or administrator could add them to the existing thread as there were no other missing posts over there previous to those.

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Ok we can do that as soon as Heaalih copy the posts.

Thank so much for you efforts Heaalih.

Yes, thanks again for your help, Heaalih. And by the way I'm also almost 100% sure that post from the Cryogenic Chamber Therapy thread was by Mr. Scott.

SeekinTruth said:

Yes, thanks again for your help, Heaalih. And by the way I'm also almost 100% sure that post from the Cryogenic Chamber Therapy thread was by Mr. Scott.

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OK, here the thread I can recover from the rss, but unfortunately without authors :

I haven't done the cryo treatments yet, but I've been experimenting with cold showers. It has been pretty interesting so far.

The cold water here comes from a well, so it's around 12-14 C all year round.

Night 1:
Water was not all the way cold, but close. Got wet, soaped up, and before I could finish getting soapy, I started shivering like mad. I thought I was going to break the shower! Turned water warmer, and finished the shower. I was COOOOOOLD and couldn't stop shivering for 20 minutes afterwards. So, that wasn't too fun.

Night 2:
Hesitantly, I decided to continue my experiment. Same as the previous day in terms of temperature, but I didn't shiver at all. In fact, by the end of the shower, I turned the water all the way cold and rinsed a second time. No shivering, no goose bumps, and I felt pretty good afterwards.

Night 3:
Same as the previous day, and I like the cold water even more! All 3 nights, I slept very well, but after Cold Shower #3, I really started to notice that I feel much better afterwards. My head is clear, and my body surface (especially nose and ears) is cold, but I feel all warm inside like my blood is really circulating at warp speed or something.

The strange thing is that the more I do it, the more I enjoy the cold water.

I should note that I'm young and I have no major health problems. I'm also generally resistant to cold temperatures, despite being pretty skinny. After starting this experiment, I would like to try the cryo treatments.

One tip: when cold water hits your head and face, you tend to hold your breath. While I'm showering, and especially when doing my head, I sort of purse my lips and do a "cave-man breath" of slow, steady, forceful circular breathing. It helps a LOT.

I notice that when in the shower, the first rinse makes my skin turn red. I don't stand in the stream of cold water the whole time. By the time I'm done with the final SuperFreeze rinse, I hop out... and while my face is kind of pale for a minute or two, the rest of me looks normal.

Well, I can't wait for tonight's cold shower. I haven't been this fascinated by bathing since I was about 2 years old.

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Your experiences are pretty consistent with others', Mr. Scott. It seems many people start liking and enjoying the cold pretty quickly.

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Thank you Anart , Ailen sharing your experience. My Initially response is scary . I used to do cold water bath some years ago, but lost touch with them for years, so it is much more scary go to this. I found one location here , not far away, some thing to try it out. Hopefully my much ignored thyroid issue may gets resolved.

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Hey seek10, would you be able to post the place you found? I haven't been able to find any in the northeast.[/quote]
_http://www.onlinemedicaltourism.com/Advanced-Skin-Wisdom-@-Comprehensive-Dermatology-and-Laser-Center,-LLC.html I need to verify though on monday.[/quote]

I could be mistaken, but I think what they mean by 'cryotherapy' on that page is when you freeze a small portion of skin to remove a growth or mole or something. I've seen that terminology on a lot of skin care sites and it's not the same thing as cryogenic chamber therapy. It won't hurt to find out for certain though - it would be great if we can find a location on the east coast.[/quote]

I have the same doubt and I called them couldn't get the right person get clarification. I guess you are correct . Any way I will call them on monday and enquire more.[/quote]

I did call them. Their cryogenic therapy is only for dermatology issues.
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I've been continuing with my experiments in cold adaptation. Slowly inching the temperature more and more to the cold side in the shower, for one, but also the last two nights I've taken long walks in nothing but a t-shirt. I seem to be adapting to the cold quite well. Even though it's been only 6 - 10 degrees celcius (42 - 50 in farenheit) I've felt pretty warm. Last night my arms got cold, since they were exposed, and they didn't warm up again for about half an hour or so once I got back home. I wasn't uncomfotable at all, though. They remained a pinkish colour, not white. It's kind of fun walking around in a t-shirt when all the other people you're passing on the street are in scarves and jackets. I even passed one person in a parka

One thing I have noticed, however, is that I seem to be cranking out heat outside of when I'm experimenting with cold. I've been waking up in the middle of the night pouring sweat. My appartment is always hot (I've had the heat turned off and the windows open all winter and it doesn't seem to help unless the wind is blowing in the exact right direction), and the temperature during the day has been unseasonably warm lately (19 degrees C in March ), so I don't know for sure that it's related to the cold adaptation. It could just be that my place is hotter than usual due to the warmer weather. At any rate, I'm sweating as I write this and I'm only wearing underwear (sorry for that visual image).

Anyone else notice this effect?

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I haven't done the cryo treatments yet, but I've been experimenting with cold showers. It has been pretty interesting so far.

The cold water here comes from a well, so it's around 12-14 C all year round.

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My experience has been kind of similar. I started with a few days of lukewarm, turning down the hot water gradually at intervals. Just enough to the point where I'd mouth "Aaayy!" when the jet would hit my ribs. We're on well water here, too, so I was avoiding going full cold. But two days ago, at the end of my shower, I said, "What the heck?" and turned off the hot water completely. I stepped in and it was quite the adventure. Shivering and shaking, but invigorating too. I reminded myself to breathe. I've noticed the red skin, too. (Back during the 'tempering' thread, I was doing the same routine in another house, and got quite used to cold showers.) I don't think I'm ready to step into full cold immediately just yet, but each day I start the shower a bit cooler than the last time. I, too, am looking forward to tonight's shower!
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Thanks everyone for sharing all their experimenting - the information is just fascinating!

I have in the past tried putting my face in a basin of ice water, not really for health reasons , but because it was supposed to tighten up your skin and was done by an older model friend of mine who said that over time ice on the face not only improved your skin, but also helped stop facial fat loss that occurs with age. I never stuck to it though, but I remember it was quite invigorating.

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Watch for lactose as a non-medicinal ingredient in tissue salts. Most homeopathic tablets are made with lactose. It's such a small dose that you may be able to handle it (I don't seem to have issues with homeopathics) but those who are really lactose intollerant may find they react.

Just FYI.

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This is from the 1965 edition of the Biochemic Handbook:
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Thanks dugdeep and Endymion!

Also, thanks to all others who have been keeping up with their reports.
Mr. Scott and dugdeep, although I am not looking forward, at all, to try out cold showers, I have to say that reading your experiences was inspiring. I will give it a few more weeks to digest the thought though (it will take me that long to start getting used to the idea of voluntarily submitting myself to cold (freezing!) water )

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I have in the past tried putting my face in a basin of ice water, not really for health reasons , but because it was supposed to tighten up your skin and was done by an older model friend of mine who said that over time ice on the face not only improved your skin, but also helped stop facial fat loss that occurs with age.

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I can testify to the veracity of this statement. For about forty years now I have the habit of shaving wet. First I wash my face with warm water and soap and rinse, then put on shaving cream and shave, and subsequently rinse off with water as hot as possible without burning myself - to maximize the difference in temperature. Immediately thereafter I turn off the hot tap and turn up the cold one which at that time really is pretty cold (in winter approx. 5°C, in summer around 14°C) and elaborately rinse off my whole head, neck and shoulders. Then I rub dry with towel and apply a tiny amount of aftershave balsam.
I'm 67 now and have no wrinkles to speak of and a shining skin most of the time.

Oddly enough I cannot remember how and why I started this regimen. It just came natural to me, I suppose.
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I just took my second cold shower and adjusted to more cold water pretty quickly.
I started colder as the first time I did it two days ago.
I slowly decreased the temperatur until I just showered with about 5 ° Celsius (41°F) complete cold water.
what Scott said about the breathing part while doing it really helped me to adjust step by step to the cold.
I did deep pipe breathing kind of automatically and it is really helpfull!
don't hold your breath !

what I noticed is that my level of acceptance to cold water is dropping ( I can tolerate colder water in longer time periods).
It is kind of strange but until I turned the heat completely down the water almost seemed comfortable. at this point the temperature of the water must have been arround 10 °C OSIT!

the body feeling after a cold shower is definitively better in contrast to a warm shower.
yesterday I did a cold bath .

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Just an update on my experience - I did two sessions in one day today (and stayed in the full three minutes each time). It was a little easier, knowing what to expect, but still quite intense and very cold. Immediately following each session, I am just in such a great mood from the adrenaline and endorphins - it's actually quite nice. Then, around 15-20 minutes after I get very calm and almost sleepy. Right now, I'm totally wiped out and will probably head to bed early tonight. I haven't had any frostbite issues at all that I can tell, which is very good.

I have two more sessions this week and that's it for me, so I'll be interested to see how I feel tomorrow and at the end of the week. The operator asked me about my diet during my second session today, which kept me talking the whole time so the three minutes passed more quickly (and by the end of my gushing about how fantastic the diet is, she said that she was going to go gluten-free).

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Thank you for sharing all this new information and your experiences. I used to take ice-cold showers regularly in my junior year in college, following the "Porphiry Ivanov' method", a "traditional" Russian health craze based on cold exposure and intermittent fasting. Looking back, I remember the peaceful state of mind that I had during that time, and how my life has changed to the better in amazing ways soon after. Looks like it's time to go back to that.

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Just took my first cold shower. Sweet Jesus. But I felt really good once I got out. The most sensitive parts of my body were my head and my upper back, and it took some willpower to hold those under at first -- I also had to do the breathing that Mr. Scott mentioned, especially when I was rinsing my head and face for the first time before I started adjusting. I shivered mostly for the first few minutes afterward, and then it calmed down except for the occasional tremble. I'm looking forward to seeing what the difference will be when I try again tomorrow.

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The operator asked me about my diet during my second session today, which kept me talking the whole time so the three minutes passed more quickly (and by the end of my gushing about how fantastic the diet is, she said that she was going to go gluten-free).

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The added bonus is spreading the info about the diet.

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I did also my first cold shower in the morning and it was really great. The funny point is, when you cannot identify anymore if it is cold or hot water . More consciousness breathing is important and helps to stand the coldness and showering the head is really the toughest one. And other positive side effects are: saving water, time and energy. IMO it is also the better to start (really) cold and not with warm water, because then the body gets used to the coldness and not to the cozy warm water which then would be more shocking if switching. That means showering only at one and the same temperature.

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Gandalf said:

Ok we can do that as soon as Heaalih copy the posts.

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Those posts are available in reply #16 of this thread.
The first post is from voyageur, the second is mine and starts with a small quotation from voyageur's remarks and the third is from voyageur again who quotes a small segment of my post. So, all in all it were three separate posts in succession to be placed after the post from cs21 which before the breakdown of the forum already preceded the first entry from voyageur. With these additions that thread is completed and fully up to date.

Approaching Infinity said:

I'm also almost 100% sure that post from the Cryogenic Chamber Therapy thread was by Mr. Scott.

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The proof of that can be seen at least twice in the quotations in reply #23 above. First in the answer just under his post and further on where a fragment of the first post from the above list is quoted with indication of the author which is Mr. Scott.

The sixth posting in reply #23 is the one from manitoban to which I reacted later with a quote. It starts with the words: "Thanks everyone for sharing....".
My answer to her/him is the second next on the list starting with: "Quote from: manitoban I have in the past tried putting my face...." etc.

I'm not able to identify the names of other posters mentioned in reply #23, but I'm sure the reproduction given by Heaalih is the complete sequence of posts that went missing in the breakdown and, as far as I can remember, they should be placed in between page 6 and 7 as the thread currently stands.

Again, many thanks to all involved for helping out.

Palinurus said:

Gandalf said:

Ok we can do that as soon as Heaalih copy the posts.

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Those posts are available in reply #16 of this thread.
The first post is from voyageur, the second is mine and starts with a small quotation from voyageur's remarks and the third is from voyageur again who quotes a small segment of my post. So, all in all it were three separate posts in succession to be placed after the post from cs21 which before the breakdown of the forum already preceded the first entry from voyageur. With these additions that thread is completed and fully up to date.

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Thanks. I was looking for posts with French.

Done.

Gandalf said:

Thanks. I was looking for posts with French.
Done.

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Quite understandable, but not what I had figured. Anyway, thanks for rebuilding the thread. Neatly done!

I've been able to identify some more of the posters. I'm not sure how to proceed as far as if a Mod should rebuild the threads when all the posts are identified as to who posted them or each person should post it again. Here's what I got so far. (So that first one was identified as Mr. Scott and confirmed.)

The one below was my reply to that post from Mr Scott.

SeekinTruth said:

Your experiences are pretty consistent with others', Mr. Scott. It seems many people start liking and enjoying the cold pretty quickly.

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I'm not positive, but I think this last bit from the quotes within quotes of anart and seek10 was from Nienna Eluch (I didn't copy the whole quote within quotes.)

Nienna Eluch said:

???I did call them. Their cryogenic therapy is only for dermatology issues.

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The following I'm almost certain was from dugdeep.

dugdeep said:

I've been continuing with my experiments in cold adaptation. Slowly inching the temperature more and more to the cold side in the shower, for one, but also the last two nights I've taken long walks in nothing but a t-shirt. I seem to be adapting to the cold quite well. Even though it's been only 6 - 10 degrees celcius (42 - 50 in farenheit) I've felt pretty warm. Last night my arms got cold, since they were exposed, and they didn't warm up again for about half an hour or so once I got back home. I wasn't uncomfotable at all, though. They remained a pinkish colour, not white. It's kind of fun walking around in a t-shirt when all the other people you're passing on the street are in scarves and jackets. I even passed one person in a parka

One thing I have noticed, however, is that I seem to be cranking out heat outside of when I'm experimenting with cold. I've been waking up in the middle of the night pouring sweat. My appartment is always hot (I've had the heat turned off and the windows open all winter and it doesn't seem to help unless the wind is blowing in the exact right direction), and the temperature during the day has been unseasonably warm lately (19 degrees C in March ), so I don't know for sure that it's related to the cold adaptation. It could just be that my place is hotter than usual due to the warmer weather. At any rate, I'm sweating as I write this and I'm only wearing underwear (sorry for that visual image).

Anyone else notice this effect?

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This one's from anart:

anart said:

Just an update on my experience - I did two sessions in one day today (and stayed in the full three minutes each time). It was a little easier, knowing what to expect, but still quite intense and very cold. Immediately following each session, I am just in such a great mood from the adrenaline and endorphins - it's actually quite nice. Then, around 15-20 minutes after I get very calm and almost sleepy. Right now, I'm totally wiped out and will probably head to bed early tonight. I haven't had any frostbite issues at all that I can tell, which is very good.

I have two more sessions this week and that's it for me, so I'll be interested to see how I feel tomorrow and at the end of the week. The operator asked me about my diet during my second session today, which kept me talking the whole time so the three minutes passed more quickly (and by the end of my gushing about how fantastic the diet is, she said that she was going to go gluten-free).

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This was my reply:

SeekinTruth said:

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The operator asked me about my diet during my second session today, which kept me talking the whole time so the three minutes passed more quickly (and by the end of my gushing about how fantastic the diet is, she said that she was going to go gluten-free).

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The added bonus is spreading the info about the diet.

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Hi all, Not sure if its my own lack of computer skills or if there is some glitch with the forum, but something is not working right.

I posted a reply to the latest session, (March 4 thread), if I recall correctly, on the 18th. It was a thank you, and a comment on anarts reply to atomas..it should be on the first or second most recent page of that thread.

It WAS there after I posted it, and later that day I got an automatic e-mail that said there was a reply/new post message in that thread....which does confirm that my post was there....right? (correct me if I'm wrong here)

Upon returning to catch up on recent forum activity ( been a bit busy lately) I noticed that my post was missing from the thread....a little further investigation...checking my posts...also showed it not to be there....and I'd swear I was up to about 48 posts....which is now back to 43???

I know I don't post much. (Here are the "excuses" for my shy and lazy programs.) I do have time constraints and poor typing/writing skills. It also appears that about 99% of the times that I could say something, someone more eloquent than myself makes reply's and comments that voice what I'm thinking or asking better than I could , so I don't waste the time it takes to be an echo box.


I'm not concerned with the actual number of posts. I think quality is way more important than quantity...although upon reviewing the posts I've made, I think I missed the mark on the quality part as well!

So the question is; was there a glitch in the system, or did I say or do something that caused the post/posts to be removed?

Thanks again for all the good work, Dave

Hi beherenow,

SeekinTruth opened a thread specifically dedicated to this problem.
Have a look here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27173.0.html

It might be possible to retrieve the missing posts or at least some of them if you're lucky...
Maybe this topic can be merged with that thread?