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Dabrowski, Shamanism, DNA,and Hyperdimensions - Question
Daenerys:
Please bear with me as I try to make this question as coherent as possible.
In The Wave, Laura says this in regards to Shamanism:
--- Quote ---The future shaman is traditionally thought to exhibit certain exceptional
traits from childhood. He is often very nervous and even sickly in some
ways. (In some cultures, epilepsy is considered a “mark” of the shaman,
though this is a later corrupt perception of the ecstatic state.) It has been
noted that shamans, as children, are often morbidly sensitive, have weak
hearts, disordered digestion, and are subject to vertigo. There are those
who would consider such symptoms to be incipient mental illness, but the
fact is that extensive studies have shown that the so-called hallucinations
or visions consist of elements that follow a particular model that is
consistent from culture to culture, from age to age, and is composed of an
amazingly rich theoretical content. It could even be said that persons who
“go mad”, are “failed shamans” who have failed either because of a flaw
in the transmission of the genetics, or because of environmental factors. At
the same time, there are many more myths of failed Shamanic heroes than
of successful ones, so the warnings of what can happen have long been in
place. Mircea Eliade remarks that:
“... The mentally ill patient proves to be an unsuccessful mystic or, better,
the caricature of a mystic. His experience is without religious content,
even if it appears to resemble a religious experience, just as an act of
autoeroticism arrives at the same physiological result as a sexual act
properly speaking (seminal emission), yet at the same time is but a
caricature of the latter because it is without the concrete presence of the
partner.”
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Would the bolded part above be related to Dabrowski's OE's? ( http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,883.0.html )
--- Quote ---Advanced development is often seen in people who exhibit strong developmental potential. Developmental potential represents a constellation of genetic features, expressed and mediated through environmental interaction, that consist of three major aspects: overexcitability (OE), specific abilities and talents, and a strong drive toward autonomous growth, a feature Dabrowski called the third factor.The most evident and perhaps most fundamental aspect of developmental potential is overexcitability (OE), a heightened physiological experience of sensory stimuli resulting from increased neuronal sensitivities. The greater the OE, the more intense the sensory experience of life. In short, the individual is more sensitive to experiences in life.Dabrowski presented five forms of OE: psychomotor, sensual, imaginational, intellectual and emotional. These overexcitabilities, especially the latter three, often cause a person to experience daily life more intensely and to feel the extremes of the joys and sorrows of life profoundly. Dabrowski found that heightened overexcitability in groups of gifted and creative individuals demonstrated their intense sensual experiences. Combined with imaginational and intellectual OE, create a rich source of creative material. Additionally, psychomotor and emotional OE often provide strong stamina and motivation, often expressed in "bouts" of intense work and creativity.
Although based in the nervous system, overexcitabilities are expressed psychologically through the development of structures that reflect the emerging self. The most important of these conceptualizations are dynamisms: biological or mental forces that control behavior and its development. "Instincts, drives, and intellectual processes combined with emotions are dynamisms" (Dabrowski, 1972, p. 294). With advanced development, dynamisms increasingly reflect movement toward autonomy. The second arm of developmental potential, specific abilities and talents, tends to serve the individual's developmental level. As outlined, individuals at lower levels use talents to support egocentric goals or to climb the social and corporate ladders. At higher levels, specific talents and abilities become an important force as they are channelled by the individual's value hierarchy into expressing and achieving the person's vision of his or her ideal personality and his or her view of what "ought to be" in the world.
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And then, that in turn is related to DNA, as Laura outlines in her article, The Golden Age Psychopathy and the 6th Extinction? ( http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227222-The-Golden-Age-Psychopathy-and-the-Sixth-Extinction )
--- Quote --- But there is more to this than meets the eye. John Schumaker, in his book The Corruption of Reality, points out that human beings seem to come hardwired with a need to dissociate. I think that this is actually a need to make contact with the higher self - the field of information, if you like, that is transduced by our DNA. Some of us have DNA that connects us to the creative source, inherited from our Cro-Magnon ancestors, and some of us may have DNA that connects us to our Neanderthal ancestors - just a roll of the DNA dice, for the most part. (See Mithen's The Prehistory of the Mind for cognitive science details.) In the Neanderthal-dominant individual (taking that as an hypothesis), the brain's ability to dissociate can simply be a normal state of being - a brain with no overseer or fully human consciousness enabling the coordination of the various parts and functions of the brain. It can also result in other mental disorders. In the individual with Cro-Magnon/fully human DNA connection, the brain's capacity to dissociate has the potential to be utilized in a completely different way: a means of accessing and connecting to archetypal realms, realms of pure consciousness.
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Finally, if these assumptions are correct, where do those pesky cosmic tricksters come in to play? Are they accessing via the DNA, and the hyperdimensional worlds are all internal and subjective, to a degree? Or, do certain people have the ability to "see" different frequency bands externally and decode them? This is where I am stuck. Any help would be much appreciated.
edit- added link to Laura's article
mkrnhr:
Hello Daenerys,
IMHO, there are several factors to take into consideration. Apart from the DNA contamination from viruses and the mixing with Neanderthals, one may consider diet as an important contributor.
It has been noted in The Secret History of the World, citing Mircea Eliade if I remember well, that shamanism experienced a degradation where the shamans were not able to attain ecstasy anymore and that they became dependent on plants do so.
There is also a very interresting remark from the Cassiopaeans in one of the latest sessions that many of those who suffer some psychological diseases may have been shamans if their diet was not unadapted, i.e. if they weren't fed of plant products.
It may be supposed in this context that the introduction of agriculture may have sabotaged the shamanistic capabilities of those who may have been predisposed to it, and maybe sabotaged certain potentialities in all humanity, altogether with the other alterations as well.
OSIT.
Edit: That is why adopting the paleo diet and tobacco smoking for those who can is part of the Work in the sense of correcting the damage to our bodies and DNA potentialities.
Daenerys:
--- Quote from: mkrnhr on March 31, 2012, 05:04:21 AM ---Hello Daenerys,
IMHO, there are several factors to take into consideration. Apart from the DNA contamination from viruses and the mixing with Neanderthals, one may consider diet as an important contributor.
It has been noted in The Secret History of the World, citing Mircea Eliade if I remember well, that shamanism experienced a degradation where the shamans were not able to attain ecstasy anymore and that they became dependent on plants do so.
There is also a very interresting remark from the Cassiopaeans in one of the latest sessions that most of those who suffer some psychological diseases may have been shamans if their diet was not unadapted, i.e. if they weren't fed of plant products.
It may be supposed in this context that the introduction of agriculture may have sabotaged the shamanistic capabilities of those who may have been predisposed to it, and maybe sabotaged certain potentialities in all humanity, altogether with the other alterations as well.
OSIT.
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I am with you totally on this part. However, I still would liketo know how 4D STS or cosmic trickster engage? Is through viruses and DNA? Are the hyperdimensions internal through DNA or external, or is a sense external and internal are the same on some level. Is this why these experiences are subjective at times? In other words, what is the access point?
I hope I am making sense here.
mkrnhr:
One possible mechanism is discussed in this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27027.0.html
There might be others as well. Hope it helps :)
Daenerys:
--- Quote from: mkrnhr on March 31, 2012, 05:13:02 AM ---One possible mechanism is discussed in this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27027.0.html
There might be others as well. Hope it helps :)
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So from that session above......
--- Quote --- Q: (L) So the electromagnetic field of the earth is a property of its spinning? And it's spinning is a property of... can be affected by electric stuff. (Belibaste) Yeah, like a motor, if it slows down, it generates less electromagnetic field. (Perceval) Getting ready for a flip. (L) Okay, we have a question that Psyche and I have been thinking about. After reading this book about viruses, we have the idea that viruses may be the means by which genetic manipulation {as in intentional coming from other densities} has taken place on this planet for millions, if not billions, of years.A: YesQ: (L) Does that mean that a virus is a transdimensional manifestation?A: Yes. Thoughts made manifest! Compare to some crop circles!Q: (Psyche) Some viruses in the atlas DO look like crop circles. [wind noise muffles Ark's question] (Ark)...of course virus is just pure DNA, or what? (Psyche) It can be both DNA or RNA depending on the type of virus, and usually coated to protect itself. There are so many types of viruses; it can be just a piece of genetic code. (Ark) Okay, so my question is whether there is a particular part of the virus that has the property that is not just described by normal quantum physics or quantum chemistry and so on, or its the whole organization of virus that has this property?A: Yes. Information field aggregates matter.Q: (talk of thought vs. information) (Belibaste) Does information command or direct the aggregation of different proteins or amino acids to form a virus? Materialization?A: Yes.Q: (Psyche) It's very interesting because they have found in our "junk" DNA, properties of viruses that are close in location to those of stem cells, and also cells that end up producing cancer. It is quite interesting. (Perceval) That means our DNA is thought made manifest?A: More or less!Q: (Perceval) Except when we do the thinking, we mess it up. So we should stop thinking and interfering with the manifestation of our DNA! (laughter)
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That would mean that their thought is manifest through our DNA, correct? And that would explain why so many things are subjective in nature? And that means that there is no way to get rid of them unless one alters their DNA to the point that it is inactive? Or rather be immune to harassment and tinkering?
edit- clarification and spelling
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