Dabrowski, Shamanism, DNA,and Hyperdimensions - Question

[Daenerys]

Please bear with me as I try to make this question as coherent as possible.


In The Wave, Laura says this in regards to Shamanism:

The future shaman is traditionally thought to exhibit certain exceptional
traits from childhood. He is often very nervous and even sickly in some
ways. (In some cultures, epilepsy is considered a “mark” of the shaman,
though this is a later corrupt perception of the ecstatic state.) It has been
noted that shamans, as children, are often morbidly sensitive, have weak
hearts, disordered digestion, and are subject to vertigo. There are those
who would consider such symptoms to be incipient mental illness, but the
fact is that extensive studies have shown that the so-called hallucinations
or visions consist of elements that follow a particular model that is
consistent from culture to culture, from age to age, and is composed of an
amazingly rich theoretical content. It could even be said that persons who
“go mad”, are “failed shamans” who have failed either because of a flaw
in the transmission of the genetics, or because of environmental factors. At
the same time, there are many more myths of failed Shamanic heroes than
of successful ones, so the warnings of what can happen have long been in
place. Mircea Eliade remarks that:
“... The mentally ill patient proves to be an unsuccessful mystic or, better,
the caricature of a mystic. His experience is without religious content,
even if it appears to resemble a religious experience, just as an act of
autoeroticism arrives at the same physiological result as a sexual act
properly speaking (seminal emission), yet at the same time is but a
caricature of the latter because it is without the concrete presence of the
partner.”

Would the bolded part above be related to Dabrowski's OE's? ( http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,883.0.html )

Advanced development is often seen in people who exhibit strong developmental potential. Developmental potential represents a constellation of genetic features, expressed and mediated through environmental interaction, that consist of three major aspects: overexcitability (OE), specific abilities and talents, and a strong drive toward autonomous growth, a feature Dabrowski called the third factor.The most evident and perhaps most fundamental aspect of developmental potential is overexcitability (OE), a heightened physiological experience of sensory stimuli resulting from increased neuronal sensitivities. The greater the OE, the more intense the sensory experience of life. In short, the individual is more sensitive to experiences in life.Dabrowski presented five forms of OE: psychomotor, sensual, imaginational, intellectual and emotional. These overexcitabilities, especially the latter three, often cause a person to experience daily life more intensely and to feel the extremes of the joys and sorrows of life profoundly. Dabrowski found that heightened overexcitability in groups of gifted and creative individuals demonstrated their intense sensual experiences. Combined with imaginational and intellectual OE, create a rich source of creative material. Additionally, psychomotor and emotional OE often provide strong stamina and motivation, often expressed in "bouts" of intense work and creativity.
Although based in the nervous system, overexcitabilities are expressed psychologically through the development of structures that reflect the emerging self. The most important of these conceptualizations are dynamisms: biological or mental forces that control behavior and its development. "Instincts, drives, and intellectual processes combined with emotions are dynamisms" (Dabrowski, 1972, p. 294). With advanced development, dynamisms increasingly reflect movement toward autonomy. The second arm of developmental potential, specific abilities and talents, tends to serve the individual's developmental level. As outlined, individuals at lower levels use talents to support egocentric goals or to climb the social and corporate ladders. At higher levels, specific talents and abilities become an important force as they are channelled by the individual's value hierarchy into expressing and achieving the person's vision of his or her ideal personality and his or her view of what "ought to be" in the world.

And then, that in turn is related to DNA, as Laura outlines in her article, The Golden Age Psychopathy and the 6th Extinction? ( http://www.sott.net/articles/show/227222-The-Golden-Age-Psychopathy-and-the-Sixth-Extinction )

But there is more to this than meets the eye. John Schumaker, in his book The Corruption of Reality, points out that human beings seem to come hardwired with a need to dissociate. I think that this is actually a need to make contact with the higher self - the field of information, if you like, that is transduced by our DNA. Some of us have DNA that connects us to the creative source, inherited from our Cro-Magnon ancestors, and some of us may have DNA that connects us to our Neanderthal ancestors - just a roll of the DNA dice, for the most part. (See Mithen's The Prehistory of the Mind for cognitive science details.) In the Neanderthal-dominant individual (taking that as an hypothesis), the brain's ability to dissociate can simply be a normal state of being - a brain with no overseer or fully human consciousness enabling the coordination of the various parts and functions of the brain. It can also result in other mental disorders. In the individual with Cro-Magnon/fully human DNA connection, the brain's capacity to dissociate has the potential to be utilized in a completely different way: a means of accessing and connecting to archetypal realms, realms of pure consciousness.

Finally, if these assumptions are correct, where do those pesky cosmic tricksters come in to play? Are they accessing via the DNA, and the hyperdimensional worlds are all internal and subjective, to a degree? Or, do certain people have the ability to "see" different frequency bands externally and decode them? This is where I am stuck. Any help would be much appreciated.

edit- added link to Laura's article

[mkrnhr]

Hello Daenerys,

IMHO, there are several factors to take into consideration. Apart from the DNA contamination from viruses and the mixing with Neanderthals, one may consider diet as an important contributor.

It has been noted in The Secret History of the World, citing Mircea Eliade if I remember well, that shamanism experienced a degradation where the shamans were not able to attain ecstasy anymore and that they became dependent on plants do so.

There is also a very interresting remark from the Cassiopaeans in one of the latest sessions that many of those who suffer some psychological diseases may have been shamans if their diet was not unadapted, i.e. if they weren't fed of plant products.

It may be supposed in this context that the introduction of agriculture may have sabotaged the shamanistic capabilities of those who may have been predisposed to it, and maybe sabotaged certain potentialities in all humanity, altogether with the other alterations as well.

OSIT.

Edit: That is why adopting the paleo diet and tobacco smoking for those who can is part of the Work in the sense of correcting the damage to our bodies and DNA potentialities.

[Daenerys]

Hello Daenerys,

IMHO, there are several factors to take into consideration. Apart from the DNA contamination from viruses and the mixing with Neanderthals, one may consider diet as an important contributor.

It has been noted in The Secret History of the World, citing Mircea Eliade if I remember well, that shamanism experienced a degradation where the shamans were not able to attain ecstasy anymore and that they became dependent on plants do so.

There is also a very interresting remark from the Cassiopaeans in one of the latest sessions that most of those who suffer some psychological diseases may have been shamans if their diet was not unadapted, i.e. if they weren't fed of plant products.

It may be supposed in this context that the introduction of agriculture may have sabotaged the shamanistic capabilities of those who may have been predisposed to it, and maybe sabotaged certain potentialities in all humanity, altogether with the other alterations as well.

OSIT.

I am with you totally on this part. However, I still would liketo know how 4D STS or cosmic trickster engage? Is through viruses and DNA? Are the hyperdimensions internal through DNA or external, or is a sense external and internal are the same on some level. Is this why these experiences are subjective at times?  In other words, what is the access point?


I hope I am making sense here.

[mkrnhr]

One possible mechanism is discussed in this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27027.0.html

There might be others as well. Hope it helps

[Daenerys]

One possible mechanism is discussed in this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27027.0.html

There might be others as well. Hope it helps

So from that session above......

Q: (L) So the electromagnetic field of the earth is a property of its spinning? And it's spinning is a property of... can be affected by electric stuff. (Belibaste) Yeah, like a motor, if it slows down, it generates less electromagnetic field. (Perceval) Getting ready for a flip. (L) Okay, we have a question that Psyche and I have been thinking about. After reading this book about viruses, we have the idea that viruses may be the means by which genetic manipulation {as in intentional coming from other densities} has taken place on this planet for millions, if not billions, of years.A: YesQ: (L) Does that mean that a virus is a transdimensional manifestation?A: Yes. Thoughts made manifest! Compare to some crop circles!Q: (Psyche) Some viruses in the atlas DO look like crop circles. [wind noise muffles Ark's question] (Ark)...of course virus is just pure DNA, or what? (Psyche) It can be both DNA or RNA depending on the type of virus, and usually coated to protect itself. There are so many types of viruses; it can be just a piece of genetic code. (Ark) Okay, so my question is whether there is a particular part of the virus that has the property that is not just described by normal quantum physics or quantum chemistry and so on, or its the whole organization of virus that has this property?A: Yes. Information field aggregates matter.Q: (talk of thought vs. information) (Belibaste) Does information command or direct the aggregation of different proteins or amino acids to form a virus? Materialization?A: Yes.Q: (Psyche) It's very interesting because they have found in our "junk" DNA, properties of viruses that are close in location to those of stem cells, and also cells that end up producing cancer. It is quite interesting. (Perceval) That means our DNA is thought made manifest?A: More or less!Q: (Perceval) Except when we do the thinking, we mess it up. So we should stop thinking and interfering with the manifestation of our DNA! (laughter)

That would mean that their thought is manifest through our DNA, correct? And that would explain why so many things are subjective in nature? And that means that there is no way to get rid of them unless one alters their DNA to the point that it is inactive? Or rather be immune to harassment and tinkering?

edit- clarification and spelling

[mkrnhr]

I may merely speculate here but it does seem that subjectivity is the state of our consciousness in this density. If our DNA is the seat of the soul, a physical manifestation of thought patterns, then this vessel is "unclean".

Making this vessel suitable by a proper diet and lifestyle on the physical level, maintaining an emotional hygiene, as well as aligning without prejudice with objectivity (with the universe as it is) switches on those thought patterns that are aligned with our higher selves and the creative aspect of the universe. The whole theme of cleaning the machine is related to this.

It is this alchemical process on different levels that may trigger IMHO the activation of a proper alignment of our being with the objective universe/truth, manifesting in a quantum jump in consciousness, with a possible manifestation in how DNA is activated.


I don't know how to express this idea clearly but I think it is clearer in the Wave 8 as this subject is discussed in depth.
Maybe other members may express it better.

[Daenerys]

I may merely speculate here but it does seem that subjectivity is the state of our consciousness in this density. If our DNA is the seat of the soul, a physical manifestation of thought patterns, then this vessel is "unclean".

Making this vessel suitable by a proper diet and lifestyle on the physical level, maintaining an emotional hygiene, as well as aligning without prejudice with objectivity (with the universe as it is) switches on those thought patterns that are aligned with our higher selves and the creative aspect of the universe. The whole theme of cleaning the machine is related to this.

It is this alchemical process on different levels that may trigger IMHO the activation of a proper alignment of our being with the objective universe/truth, manifesting in a quantum jump in consciousness, with a possible manifestation in how DNA is activated.


I don't know how to express this idea clearly but I think it is clearer in the Wave 8 as this subject is discussed in depth.
Maybe other members may express it better.

I have been trying to help myself- of course, but I also have been trying to find help for my family who have been asking for help for quite some time - see here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,7517.msg177256.html#msg177256


I guess it just really smacked me in the face that there is nothing I can really do to help them if this is the case.

[mkrnhr]

In the Lord of the Rings, Sam tells Frodo "we are part of this world". Indeed, we are part of the universe, it is not something separated out there.
As we don't know how things are connected "above", how they are related, we never know how the choices of one soul can help other souls to make their own choices. In some situations, all we can do to help others is to help ourselves first. It is somehow like becoming strong for others. But in fine, there is creativity in the universe, and that gives hope isn't it.

[Daenerys]

In the Lord of the Rings, Sam tells Frodo "we are part of this world". Indeed, we are part of the universe, it is not something separated out there.
As we don't know how things are connected "above", how they are related, we never know how the choices of one soul can help other souls to make their own choices. In some situations, all we can do to help others is to help ourselves first. It is somehow like becoming strong for others. But in fine, there is creativity in the universe, and that gives hope isn't it.

Thank you. That is inspirational. 


I do have one more question, not that I have had time to mull over all of this. How does the exterior phenomenon witnessed by many people at once happen? Like Laura and the children seeing the black boomerang all at the same time, or John Keel's phone happenings? Or, from Karla Turner's last interview, the woman who was subjectively seeing a helicoppter etc, and was frozen in bed, but n one else saw or heard anything but they all did see blue light around her. Is that a group dna or virus trigger?  Same with mass sightings?

[whitecoast]

Something else I've picked up from the reading list that points to having proper diet, herbal medicines, et cetera, helping us against higher dimensional interference comes from something I've read in ISOTM and parts of The Fourth Way, by Ouspensky (he alluded to it in the ISOTM, but managed to explain more of it in Fourth Way, FWIW).  The books said that when a cosmos/density attempts to alter or affect the cosmos below it, it must act through the cosmos below the cosmos it wishes to affect. If we take the cosmi to be densities, then that would be like saying if Fourth Density (active component) wishes to affect something in Third Density (passive component), then the Second Density acts as the neutralizing component in the interaction. Basically, Fourth Density affects Third through the Second. I think this is collinear with the idea that 4th density STS forces stalk and manipulate humanity by polluting our DNA with viral infections and epigenetic dysregulation via improper diet.

Using this same model, to "fight back" as a Third Density denizen defending against Fourth Density harassment, we need to take back control of our genetic expression. In essence that means we need to detoxify ourselves of pollution of all types, restore our diet to what we're genetically optimized for using, and have a body/mind practice like EE, meditation, yoga, dancing, et cetera, which probably alters our DNA as well. What this amounts to is us "taking back" Second Density, and helping to prevent Fourth Density from affecting it in such a way that we can be controlled in Third Density. If that makes any sense....

[obyvatel]

However, I still would liketo know how 4D STS or cosmic trickster engage? Is through viruses and DNA? Are the hyperdimensions internal through DNA or external, or is a sense external and internal are the same on some level. Is this why these experiences are subjective at times?  In other words, what is the access point?

  From High Strangeness

Q:(L) Do any of the STS beings have the abilityto cause us physical problems, or mental or emotional problems when not in direct contact with us?

A: Certainly

Q:(L) How is this done?
A: A number of different methods used .............

   Sound wave manipulation of the ultra high frequency range would be one.

Q:(L) What do these sound waves in the ultra high frequencies do?

A: They can alter chemical balances within the body of the subject, thereby also the brain, using the physical path to cause distress by altering these chemical imbalances in place.

Q:(L)DO these ultra high frequency sound waves ever carry messages in terms of precoded suggestions that are triggered by these waves?

A: Messages are not carried in ultra high frequency sound waves. Now you are talking about an entirely different method.


Q:(L) Alright then, moving on to another subject, how are precoded information signals sent? Can messages be sent via sound wave focusing?

A: No, sound wave focusing is designed to alter body and brain chemistry in order to alter such things as feelings, emotions, and so forth, which then may lead to the altering of mental thought patterns. But messages are not sent by ultra high frequency sound waves.

Q:(L) How are they sent?

A: Messages are sent by something called Free Formal Imaging which means that a thought is formed in one realm and sent to a second realm, which is yours.

Q:(L) Ok. Can it be sent to a directed target?
A: Absolutely

 

[LQB]

However, I still would liketo know how 4D STS or cosmic trickster engage? Is through viruses and DNA? Are the hyperdimensions internal through DNA or external, or is a sense external and internal are the same on some level. Is this why these experiences are subjective at times?  In other words, what is the access point?

  From High Strangeness

Q:(L) Do any of the STS beings have the abilityto cause us physical problems, or mental or emotional problems when not in direct contact with us?

A: Certainly

Q:(L) How is this done?
A: A number of different methods used .............

   Sound wave manipulation of the ultra high frequency range would be one.

Q:(L) What do these sound waves in the ultra high frequencies do?

A: They can alter chemical balances within the body of the subject, thereby also the brain, using the physical path to cause distress by altering these chemical imbalances in place.

Q:(L)DO these ultra high frequency sound waves ever carry messages in terms of precoded suggestions that are triggered by these waves?

A: Messages are not carried in ultra high frequency sound waves. Now you are talking about an entirely different method.


Q:(L) Alright then, moving on to another subject, how are precoded information signals sent? Can messages be sent via sound wave focusing?

A: No, sound wave focusing is designed to alter body and brain chemistry in order to alter such things as feelings, emotions, and so forth, which then may lead to the altering of mental thought patterns. But messages are not sent by ultra high frequency sound waves.

Q:(L) How are they sent?

A: Messages are sent by something called Free Formal Imaging which means that a thought is formed in one realm and sent to a second realm, which is yours.

Q:(L) Ok. Can it be sent to a directed target?
A: Absolutely

In the book (I forget the title) about the study of extreme high strangeness at a ranch in Utah, there was a passage describing the owner and his wife confronted (on the front porch I think) by a blue/white orb at close range. They were induced to experience extreme anxiety and terror for no outwardly apparent reason. This might be an example of what the Cs described as alteration of brain chemical balance - in this case, for a higher-density quick feeding.

It seems that the Free Formal Imaging would work very well in human populations that have been "acculturated" (programmed) into robotic existence that assume their thoughts are always their own - thus the reasons for the emphasis here on "know thyself", the Work, and cleaning the machine.

[Daenerys]

At the risk that ya'll will know beyond a doubt that I am about as thick as two planks, would I be out in left field asking if the following quote from Keel's Disneyland of the Gods is the piece I am missing in answering my question above?


My question:

I do have one more question, now that I have had time to mull over all of this. How does the exterior phenomenon witnessed by many people at once happen? Like Laura and the children seeing the black boomerang all at the same time, or John Keel's phone happenings? Or, from Karla Turner's last interview, the woman who was subjectively seeing a helicopter etc, and was frozen in bed, but n one else saw or heard anything but they all did see blue light around her. Is that a group dna or virus trigger?  Same with mass sightings?

Quote from Keel- Disneyland of the Gods

In short, when the earth's magnetism goes slightly haywire, UFOs begin to appear in great numbers.
This does not mean that the UFOs produce the magnetic disturbances, but rather that magnetic
disturbances produce UFOs. There is already abundant scientific literature on the strange spheres of
light which appear in the sky immediately before, during, and after major earthquakes. This is
certainly a related phenomenon.
However, this is not a full explanation for UFOs. They are not mere sparks of static electricity or
plasmoid energies cast into the sky by grinding earthquake faults or magnetic anomalies. There
were scores of UFO landings in France in October, 1954, and many occupant sightings. Entities
clad in space suits would certainly not be generated by natural phenomena.
It may be that UFOs become more visible to human eyes during magnetic disturbances; that the
subtle forces of magnetism have a mysterious influence on some human brains.

[bngenoh]

I am with you totally on this part. However, I still would liketo know how 4D STS or cosmic trickster engage? Is through viruses and DNA? Are the hyperdimensions internal through DNA or external, or is a sense external and internal are the same on some level. Is this why these experiences are subjective at times?  In other words, what is the access point?

Hi Daenerys,

Just to add even more  One of the major access points along with diet, is the mind, because the mind is mediated by the brain. So as you can see even with this one example, there is not just one access point but many, and they are interrelated and highly interconnected.

Interestingly Castaneda's Don Juan come to mind where he says something along the lines of all of us have gaps that we need to close. Another association is the C's saying "Viruses only make in roads because of gaps in awareness." And we all know that awareness is based in knowledge, hence the C's advice on continual information input makes sense.

It just goes back to knowing oneself in all the myriad manifestations that one exists as. When one has developed themselves to a certain degree, it becomes easy to spot foreign thoughts and thought forms, you just know that this isn't you.

Your quote from Disneyland Of The Gods about magnetism is also a possibility, seeing as magnetism's effect on nervous system functioning has been shown to affect morality, & also to cause hallucinations. However for the case of ball lightning, i think hallucination is not the complete explanation.

[Daenerys]

I am with you totally on this part. However, I still would liketo know how 4D STS or cosmic trickster engage? Is through viruses and DNA? Are the hyperdimensions internal through DNA or external, or is a sense external and internal are the same on some level. Is this why these experiences are subjective at times?  In other words, what is the access point?

Your quote from Disneyland Of The Gods about magnetism is also a possibility, seeing as magnetism's effect on nervous system functioning has been shown to affect morality, & also to cause hallucinations. However for the case of ball lightning, i think hallucination is not the complete explanation.

I am further into this book ( Disneyland Of The Gods), and now it is being addressed here also:
Keel:

But passing across the visible spectrum is not really an interdimensional action. It is more likely that some UFOs are masses of plastic energy which are normally invisible to us, but which can – when the conditions are just right – alter their frequencies and enter the visible spectrum. In other words, UFOs are always present in the skies but
can only be seen at certain times... or by certain people; people with latent or active psychic abilities
whose eyes are tuned to see slightly beyond the visible spectrum.

Recent studies by ufologists all over the world have, in fact, found that a majority of UFO witnesses do have some psychic ability.The most exclusive group, flying saucer contactees, are very psychic


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The best clue about their place of origin lies in the definitely unearthly behavior of the objects
themselves. Flying saucers do not actually fly (that is, they are not supported by the air in our
atmosphere), rather they defy all of our laws of motion. They levitate. They are not disturbed by
turbulent air as our airplanes are, and they have often been seen making right angle turns at high
speeds, demonstrating their disassociation with normal inertia and gravity forces. Of course, if they
hail from another dimension or an alternate reality their actions may be governed by an entirely
different set of natural laws. The forces that bind us to Earth are not necessarily uniform throughout
the universe.
If most UFOs are actually masses of energy with the ability to tune their frequencies – the vibrations of their atoms – up and down the electromagnetic scale, they could not only alter their
color while in the visible spectrum, but they could change their sizes and shapes as well. A reddish
cigar-shaped object seen at one point could become the silvery saucer-shaped object seen a few
miles away. If the saucer should land and discharge a tall spectral passenger, he could actually be an
integral part of the saucer itself... a robotized extension of the energy mass. The mass would possess
intelligence, not the robot. And, in fact, innumerable witnesses have muttered incomprehendingly,
”I don't know why, but I had the feeling that the saucer itself was alive!”
Is there an alternate reality populated with living masses of energy something like intelligent
lightning bolts?

Also, this link Laura posted from the John Keel thread nailed it for me on electromagnetism:


http://www.skeptiko.com/michael-persinger-discovers-telepathic-link/