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bozadi:

--- Quote from: truth seeker on April 22, 2012, 06:11:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: bozadi on April 22, 2012, 10:56:43 AM ---One very good help of astrology in terms of raising one’s awareness of one’s “lessons” in some particular incarnation is the utilization of astrological interpretation of one’s “moon nodes.”
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Hi bozadi,

I just came from the Jan Spiller site and it reads as a bit new agey to me. The same goes somewhat for the urmore site you listed. As far as I can see, neither of these sites back up their work with any research or information that clearly explains how they came by their information which, to me, raises suspicions. Also, can you explain, in your own words, what exactly psych-k is? I've already been to the corresponding website but would greatly appreciate it if you could clarify what your understanding of this is.

Just so you're aware, a large part of this forum is based on doing work on the self and learning to think for oneself which is unfortunately not as simple as many would have us believe. If you haven't already, you may be interested in reading or rereading the books suggested to MK.

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Thank you, truth seeker, for your feedback.

My reference to Spiller’s web site was not for indicating a general approval actually, which I seem to have done unintentionally. I am sorry for this and thank you for your remark; I will try to be more careful about this. At least I can mention, or make it obvious, that a reference is not for showing a general approval.

I really don’t know what “psych-k” is, and my reference to that site was just because I found the extracts of Spiller’s related book in that site in a neat way. But, upon your remark, I noticed how hastily, incautiously and, perhaps, detrimentally, I did this. I must take note of this and be much more careful.

Spiller’s book on moon node sign interpretations was really good to me and many others around me. So I wanted you to have a look at it. I think this is something like benefiting from Louise L. Hay’s psychic/spiritual interpretations of our health symptoms. I believe that people like Spiller and Hay have some very valuable contributions to our understanding of ourselves and of universe, although they do have many new-agey manners, too. Approaching with caution and selectiveness is so important truly. I intend to take my own lesson (or part of a lesson) from this. Thank you again for your feedback.

truth seeker:
No problem, bozadi. :) I did take note that you were careful to disable your links and that let me know to proceed with caution. The reason I decided to say anything was because you seemed so sure in your post that this was the way to go and I became concerned that Mk and others reading it (particularly newbies) might take all information on those pages as a recommendation and not apply critical thinking. In addition, I was concerned that it may feed into MK's slight identification with astrology/fate in which case doesn't really serve her.

I completely realize that you were trying to be of help, but many of us here are still learning in terms of being able to discern the information from the disinformation. So a statement like "proceed with caution" is usually a good way to go in such cases.

While I do find Hay's spiritual interpretations interesting, as you say, a good deal of her other material (in my opinion) seems to fall into new age thinking and 'think' should also be taken with a grain of salt. ;)

SolarMother:

--- Quote ---[So, maybe, it could have more to do with observing certain "signs" in the sky, while at the same time closely observing the earth signs.. and what`s happening around us, in the here and now and what "that" is telling us, in combination to whatever the stars or planets are doing?

In other words, if the earth is the interface, the crossroads, or receiver of this sort of information, then the earth itself and all life on it, "should be" intercepting the very thing the stars are potentially modeling, at the same "time".
And we should be aware of the possible ramifications of those signs, simply by observing what`s happening on the earth, around us.

Does that make sense?]

"Far too many people think the current house of the zodiac actually causes things to happen, instead of merely helping to track when things of the "symbolized" character, are likely to happen.

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Well, put Meager1. I think MissK. has been trying very hard to say the same thing.
"As Above, So Below." Astrology is an excellent tool aiding some of us in the work we do here, and it takes many years of study to know how to use this language/symbolic tool correctly in the quest to 'know thyself.'
Everything in 3D has been corrupted including our alphabet, but we go on using it the best we can.

1984:

--- Quote from: SolarMother on April 23, 2012, 05:52:52 PM ---Everything in 3D has been corrupted including our alphabet, but we go on using it the best we can.

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If I read the above correctly, you are comparing a corrupted alphabet with corrupted astrology - would you explain what you mean in comparing the two? Not sure I am following you.

Palinurus:
Hi all,

Interesting discussion.

As I'm currently reading the Bibliotheka Cassiopaea topic/thread, I came along the section about astrology today - starting here:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27467.msg336462.html#msg336462

It's a rather short part which I'm going to quote integrally. I've put in bold what jumped out for me:

--- Quote ---ASTROLOGY
 
Q: (L) Is astrology in general a false assumption? A: Astrology is a stepping stone to higher knowledge.  (has variable influence on humans whether believer or skeptic)  Q: (L) Is there, in 4th density, an equivalent to 3rd density astrology? A: Not needed there.

Q: If we could find the pieces and put them together, they would show us the drama and the connection between 3rd and 4th density? A: You would have to use the original astrology, before cosmic changes of a planetary nature; there was no Venus, for one example, and earth was oriented differently axially speaking.    Q: And the destruction of Kantek. This was the last whitewash, the writings of Homer and so forth were put place... is there any source where we can get closer to these myths that will help us to figure out who is REALLY on first? A: Check the Isle of Man. Q: Okay. Now, next question: I understand that Libra was added to the zodiac and broke scorpio and virgo apart. Were there originally 10 or 11 signs in the zodiac?   A: Originally? Q: You know what I mean!  A: There have been many combinations. Q: Well, when did the present 12 sign zodiac begin to be established as it is?   A: 1302 A.D. Q: And how many signs were there before that?   A: 11  Q: That’s what I thought. What is the source of the oldest zodiac available to us?   A: Atlantis.   Q: Well, fine, what is the oldest extant source in terms of writings? A: Egypt. A: The art of astrology lies within the interpretations of the astrologer, and if accurate, it is because of psychic talents. Same as with all methods, they are merely mediums.
Q: Well, I don’t think I am going to get any more on it. Now, next question: in playing with my 11 house zodiac, it became apparent that, in order for it to work properly, the circle must be converted from 360 degrees to 330 degrees. Now, this made me think about the degrees in a circle. With a 360 degree circle, the total as well as all the cardinal points are numbers that total 9. Freddie and I have examined this idea of numbers having some sort of ‘frequency’ effect on all things, and it seems to be true in a VERY deep sense. So, all our measurements on our globe are based on the number 9, and this is NOT a friendly number! The ancient gods were known as ‘they who measure,’ and this imposition of a 360 degree circle on our world, and a 12 sign zodiac, is part of a system that imposes a frequency or vibration on our reality that is quite destructive. It perpetuates the negative existence. Am I getting close to the proper understanding here? A: The proper understanding is more important than how it was reached.

Q: In the same vein, I have noticed that there are two classes of arachnids. There are scorpions and there are spiders. The zodiac was changed by taking the pincers away from the Scorpion and creating out of them the sign of Libra. This image was one of a woman holding a balance scales, usually blindfolded. This was done within recorded history, but was probably formalized through the occult traditions of Kaballa. Now, in trying to figure out who has on what color hat, if there is such a thing, I have come to a tentative conclusion that the spider, or spinner of webs, is the Rosicrucian encampment, and that the Scorpion represents the seeker of wisdom... because, in fact, the word for Scorpio comes from the same root as that which means to pierce or unveil. Therefore, the Scorpion is also Perseus, per Ziu, or ‘for God.’ And the Rosicrucians are the ‘other,’ so to speak.  Q: Another derivation of the word root of Scorpio is ‘skopos,’ or ‘to see.’ You said that the human race was seeded on a planet in the constellation Scorpio, and, therefore, when the zodiac was set up and the clues were laid out, it seems to me that the insertion of the sign of Libra was designed to take power away from human beings, to take their hands away, to prevent them from seeing, to make them defenseless. Is this imagery close?  A: On track. Q: And the Scorpion is represented in four ways: the scorpion, the lizard, the eagle and the dove. So, there are four levels of experience. Also, Minerva/Athena was the daughter of Zeus alone. She was known as the ‘tamer of horses,’ and was a Virgin Goddess. She was also known as ‘Parthenos’ meaning separation. Is this part of the imagery of the creation of Eve from the rib of Adam, so to speak, or the separation of knowledge from soul, or the veil between the world of 3rd density and 4th density?  A: Close. Q: Along this same line, in the astrological symbology, the different stars are designated as being located on different parts of the body in a rather arbitrary way that does not seem to necessarily have a lot to do with the actual configuration of the stars themselves. King Cepheus in the sign of Aries, the consort of Cassiopaea, has a star in the right shoulder. The name of this star in Arabic means ‘redeemer. In the imagery of the crucifixion, Jesus is depicted as carrying the cross on his shoulder as if to say that he is the old king who must die to make way for the new one... Additionally, many of us have been experiencing the pain in the shoulder, arm, and shoulder-blade for some time. You have, on occasion, related this to DNA changes. Is it that certain individuals are connected to other densities through the windows of the stars in certain constellations, and the clues are found in the location of the stars in the figures of the constellations relating to the areas of the body where pockets in the etheric field are points of activation of DNA, and that these relate to certain pains and discomforts?   Q: Obviously this is a big one... it relates directly to the crossed shin bones, the skull, the shoulderblades, knees, elbows and a lot of other symbology... the exposed breast of the Masonic initiate. In the Bible where it says that Jesus was scourged, it is actually a word that usually means the pressing and squeezing that cause milk to express from the breast. On page 33 of ‘Bringers of the Dawn,’ Barbara Marciniak writes: ‘there have been different portals on earth that have allowed different species, creator gods from space, to insert themselves. One of the huge portals that presently being fought over is the portal of the Middle East. If you think back over the history of the Earth, you will realize how many dramas of religion and civilization have been introduced in that portal. It’s a huge portal with a radius of 1,000 miles or so. This is why there is so much activity in the Middle East. This is the portal that the Lizzies use.’ Could you comment on that information. Are there other portals that are that large which are used by positive entities? A: Portal is dual.
Q: Okay, part of the ancient legend of Arktos was that, in very ancient times the Earth was different because it had a vertical axial orientation. This contributed to the golden age or the Edenic condition. Is this, in fact, one of the conditions that existed in the Golden Age?  A; Well, yes, but still some puzzle pieces needed.  Q: I noticed also that there are several ball-park type figures given for the precessional cycles. Apparently there is not a whole lot of agreement as to how long this cycle is, exactly. I notice that, if you divide 309,882 years by 12, you come out right in the ball park of 12 precessional cycles. Is this the reason that the zodiac was set up with twelve signs or houses? A: Related, yes. Q: Now, since all the recent conjecture about the precessional cycle has really gone all over the place, it is my thought that the real reason for the ancient clues about this cycle are to inform us that the length of 12 of these cycles is a GRAND Cycle, and that THIS is the big clue. A: Needs some study by you.
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In passing, one can clearly notice here the limitations of dougquaid's method of compilation - but that's another discussion alltogether (see over there).

Hope this helps a bit...

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