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Just how important is grass fed/organic meat?
Carlise:
I've read about the benefits of grass fed meat of course, and wish I could afford it, but it's completely out of the picture at the moment.
So I would like to know is it possible to achieve near enough optimal health buy just buying supermarket/butchers meat (the butchers meat is not organic and comes in plastic packets just like supermarket meat), as well as supplementing enough (currently taking vits: B's, C,D3,E, Zinc+Mg, lots of omega 3 oil and enzymes).
Of course it's not ideal, but I'm assuming that by supplementing I can counteract the effects of the grain fed meat etc somewhat. Or am I wrong?
Has anyone else encountered this problem when trying to reach optimal health, and could you point out any supplements that I may be missing, or offer any other advice?
Cheers
SeekinTruth:
Is the meat from factory farmed animals / CAFO's (Confined Animal Feeding Operations)? What country do you live in? Because if it's CAFO meat, it's not just the issue of omega 6 to omega 3 ratios which can be dealt with by supplementing omega 3's. But they are pumped up with antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. And have a very horrible life confined in a small area, fed unnatural food, standing in their own feces, etc.
Those animals are NOT health in any way, shape, or form. So I would say at least get meat from animals that aren't from factory farmed operations.
Foxx:
I would say it's unlikely to be possible to reach near optimum health for the reasons that SeekinTruth provides. Especially with the toxins, antibiotics, and other issues of CAFO meat, supplementing won't be enough.
It should be possible to get good meats for cheap if you've gotten into ketosis and are focused primarily on fat. Getting good liver from a local pastured farm would be a very cheap way to get high quality nutrition. Getting fat (a farm by me trimmed off large quantities of pig fat from their pigs and would sell it to me on the cheap) from a good source could be cheap as well. There's also ground meat, stew meat, or other "undesirable" cuts that are actually generally more desirable than the expensive cuts (usually with more fat basically) that are cheap and good to get. With a recommended daily intake of .95 mg/kg of protein (according to Nora Gedgaudes of PBPM), you really don't need that much protein (I try and do around 7oz a day), though you may need more if you're still converting to the diet. I estimate that I'm able to feed myself on about $200-$300 a month, and may be able to go cheaper than that if need be.
I definitely think it's really important to get good meat and fat, so these are some ideas to get cheaper stuff and maybe there are other things you spend money on (supplements are one are that gets reduced the longer one's on the diet for, for example) that could be cut to get good food (though it's certainly possible that there aren't--tough money times).
Good luck! :)
Carlise:
--- Quote from: SeekinTruth on April 26, 2012, 07:02:39 PM ---Is the meat from factory farmed animals / CAFO's (Confined Animal Feeding Operations)? What country do you live in? Because if it's CAFO meat, it's not just the issue of omega 6 to omega 3 ratios which can be dealt with by supplementing omega 3's. But they are pumped up with antibiotics, growth hormones, etc. And have a very horrible life confined in a small area, fed unnatural food, standing in their own feces, etc.
Those animals are NOT health in any way, shape, or form. So I would say at least get meat from animals that aren't from factory farmed operations.
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--- Quote from: Foxx on April 26, 2012, 08:12:23 PM ---I would say it's unlikely to be possible to reach near optimum health for the reasons that SeekinTruth provides. Especially with the toxins, antibiotics, and other issues of CAFO meat, supplementing won't be enough.
It should be possible to get good meats for cheap if you've gotten into ketosis and are focused primarily on fat. Getting good liver from a local pastured farm would be a very cheap way to get high quality nutrition. Getting fat (a farm by me trimmed off large quantities of pig fat from their pigs and would sell it to me on the cheap) from a good source could be cheap as well. There's also ground meat, stew meat, or other "undesirable" cuts that are actually generally more desirable than the expensive cuts (usually with more fat basically) that are cheap and good to get. With a recommended daily intake of .95 mg/kg of protein (according to Nora Gedgaudes of PBPM), you really don't need that much protein (I try and do around 7oz a day), though you may need more if you're still converting to the diet. I estimate that I'm able to feed myself on about $200-$300 a month, and may be able to go cheaper than that if need be.
I definitely think it's really important to get good meat and fat, so these are some ideas to get cheaper stuff and maybe there are other things you spend money on (supplements are one are that gets reduced the longer one's on the diet for, for example) that could be cut to get good food (though it's certainly possible that there aren't--tough money times).
Good luck! :)
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After 2 hours searching online for organic meat deliveries (I live in a city centre with no car so won't be driving up to farms any time soon), I was about to throw in the towel due to the expense. However I've just stumbled across a site selling organic meat at very reasonable prices: _http://graigfarm.co.uk/index.php?route=common/home if anyone is interested
This is within my budget until I can get a job, so this seems to have worked out well.
As for the amount of food I eat, I may well still be converting to the diet as I find myself feeling hungry a lot, and have carb cravings when full. Hopefully this will decrease in due time. Thanks for the tip on liver, I guess I'll have to finally sink my teeth into that strange looking meat and see what its like :)
Bobo08:
Good to hear that you are able to find an organic meat source within your means, Carlise.
For those who just CANNOT get grass-fed / organic meat, eating conventional meat is still MUCH better than not. And some parts are better / less expensive others. Organ meat, for example, is always desirable due to their high nutrition content; pork belly and bacon are also good due to their fat. You can get fat, bone, etc very cheaply from most butchers too. The important thing is to get your body into ketosis. That alone is a huge boost to your health.
That said, keep in mind what SeekingTruth wrote and invest the time and money to find a good source of meat if at all possible.
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