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A Question for the Cs (and the rest of the forum)
Wu Wei Wu:
I have a few questions I might ponder to the Cs, if willing.
Of course I have used the search function on the forum and was unable to find exactly what I was looking for. I am also in the process of reading the wave series, so if its in there it may take a little while to get there.
My first inquiry for the Cs (and everyone else, hopefully) pertains to the existence of 4th way schools in the modern day.
I am aware of the intention of the Cassiopaea community, to function as a school of sorts using the Cs and group reflection in the place of a formal master/teacher. But is it not likely that there exists some 4th way schools in other parts of the world?
Hopefully this question has already been asked and answered I can learn quickly, but if not I think its a line of questioning worth asking. There is such activity here, why wouldn't there be in other existing schools.
Pashalis:
there are many 4th way schools around the world but they all seem to have one thing in common, they are/were twisted at one stage and there's only little of the real work left in them.
maybe there are real 4th way schools left somewhere I don't know, but IMO the best 4th way school you can find today is this forum.
Palinurus:
Hi Wu Wei Wu,
I cannot imagine which search terms you have used to come to the conclusion that you were unable to find exactly what you were looking for.
There is in fact quite a lot of info regarding 4Th way schools available.
Anyway, a good place to start would be:
Imitation Fourth Way Groups Started by Gurdjieff Rejects
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,215.0.html
Gurdjieff Groups in the UK
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,11651.0.html
The Cs and Gurdjieff
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,11521.0.html
Background info can be found in:
G. I. Gurdjieff and His School
http://www.gurdjieff.org/needleman2.htm
Gurdjieff and Orage: Brothers in Elysium by Paul Beekman Taylor
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,8658.0.html
Mouravieff - Ouspensky, Gurdjieff & Fragments
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,23285.0.html
Other relevant topics for further refinement and nuances:
Why Gurdjieff?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,20379.0.html
Gurdjieff's demystifiers
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25100.0.html
4Th Way Teachings
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,709.0.html
In Search of the Miraculous: Observations and Questions
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17356.0
Mouravieff’s Gnosis, Meditation and Yoga
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,11944.0.html
There are more entries and articles, mainly written by Laura, hidden around which I left out for the time being.
Happy reading!
Carlise:
--- Quote from: Pashalis on May 10, 2012, 09:26:19 AM ---there are many 4th way schools around the world but they all seem to have one thing in common, they are/were twisted at one stage and there's only little of the real work left in them.
maybe there are real 4th way schools left somewhere I don't know, but IMO the best 4th way school you can find today is this forum.
--- End quote ---
I have wondered about this also. Sure, there are plenty of "4th way schools" just as there are plenty of occult groups, new age groups etc. But have any of them not been distorted? I suppose not, or we would have made contact by now.
It does seem that this group is the 'last hope' for humanity as it were, which sure is a daunting thought. Though it really helps instill a sense of responsibility to work harder. I also feel very lucky to be part of what may well the most advanced network in the world in terms of objectivity, something that I sometimes take for granted.
Wu Wei Wu:
--- Quote ---maybe there are real 4th way schools left somewhere I don't know, but IMO the best 4th way school you can find today is this forum.
--- End quote ---
This is the real question. Are there any fourth way schools out there?
--- Quote ---I have wondered about this also. Sure, there are plenty of "4th way schools" just as there are plenty of occult groups, new age groups etc. But have any of them not been distorted? I suppose not, or we would have made contact by now.
It does seem that this group is the 'last hope' for humanity as it were, which sure is a daunting thought. Though it really helps instill a sense of responsibility to work harder. I also feel very lucky to be part of what may well the most advanced network in the world in terms of objectivity, something that I sometimes take for granted.
--- End quote ---
Again, this question arises. Given that the desire for consciousness is common to specific group of the populace that is however, very spread out, it seems quite likely that many different groups will develop going in the same direction. Not trying to cause trouble, but supposing they don't exist because we haven't made contact is a fallacy. There are any number of reasons or circumstances that could inhibit communication. Its an assumption that is not productive to make, though of course it isn't productive to assume that there must be other schools out there either.
But I totally agree with you. To assume the Cassiopaea group is our last collective hope has huge implications!
--- Quote ---Hi Wu Wei Wu,
I cannot imagine which search terms you have used to come to the conclusion that you were unable to find exactly what you were looking for.
There is in fact quite a lot of info regarding 4Th way schools available.
--- End quote ---
Thank you for your comprehensive list of threads Palinurus. I am familiar with a number of those threads, though not all (more reading!).
I should clarify. By Fourth Way School, I refer NOT to the Gurdjieff schools specifically. I am aware of them very well.
Rather I refer to alternative Fourth Way Schools. Firstly, Gurdjieff had to learn from someone. Speculation about the origins of his knowledge aside, his teachings do not coincide with the idea of a single student bearing the weight of the school alone. The 'school' requires multiple participants, and there are of course the other members of his 'seekers of truth' group of 30 or so, if I remember correctly. Historical accuracy aside, Gurdjieff could not have escaped from the 'prison' alone or without help.
Such schools are not at all comparable to the distorted versions of Gurdjieff's disciples. I cannot have been the only one to consider the existence of such schools.
It was my mistake for using the term "Fourth Way School" without clarifying that I meant 4th way in terms of structure and operation (prioritizing understanding, working on body, mind, emotions all at once).
That is what I would like to ask the Cs. Are any such schools in existence? The question arises because I have found something interesting and am curious as to what they think.
I had thought someone would've asked this one suggestion, but found no trace in my cursory search (though I have yet to read all the Cs transcripts, still on the Wave).
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