Electric Universe Theory

[SeekinTruth]

The memory like structure is very interesting, because it could be a basis, for how we store traumas in our bodies.

If so, it might be another clue about how E/E works.

Very interesting. I'd be interested in finding out more developments with research in this direction.

[bngenoh]

Very interesting. I'd be interested in finding out more developments with research in this direction.

Me too, here's more:

DNA may contain the parts list for building a biological cell, but it takes proteins to read it. In the 5 June Physical Review Letters, a French team reports they have found the physical mechanism by which proteins can easily slide along DNA in search of their targets. The researchers used computer simulations and analytical calculations to show that a simplified model of a protein is attracted to DNA until it gets within a half-nanometer or so. At this short range, the protein is repelled, so it can slide freely until it finds its target sequence and binds more tightly. The results provide a more complete physical picture of this critical biological process.

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The team calculated the forces as the positively-charged protein approached the negatively-charged DNA. For the cylindrical and spherical proteins, the attraction to DNA persisted as the two approached. But the researchers were surprised that the cylindrical protein with a notch was repelled when it got within a short distance, 0.1 - 0.75 nanometers of the DNA, depending on the amount of charge they assumed for the protein. The simulations showed that, as long as the protein was at the correct distance–where attraction and repulsion balanced–it was free to slide up and down the DNA strand like a puck on an air hockey table.

To explain this repulsive force, the team focused their analytical calculations on the ions dissolved in the solution that bathes biological molecules. If the DNA surface has more negative charge than the protein has positive, some positive ions from the solution are attracted to its surface. As the protein-DNA gap closes, some of these ions become trapped, creating a region of high ion concentration. Water tries to move into such regions (the effect known as osmosis), so it presses in around the edges of the interface, creating an osmotic pressure in the gap that pushes out on the protein, the team found.

To see if these proteins really do have less charge than DNA has, Dahirel and his colleagues analyzed a dataset of 77 protein structures. They found that the average DNA-binding protein has just 17% of the surface charge of DNA. For this degree of charge imbalance, their model predicts that the protein should hover half a nanometer from the DNA surface. This number agrees well with the measured structure of a DNA-binding protein from bacteria called EcoRV.

Source: http://physics.aps.org/story/v23/st19

This is very interesting, Bruce Lipton said that the cell nucleus is basically 50% DNA & 50% Protein, i have tried to verify this, but the most i could get is this:

The cell nucleus is made up of a double layered nuclear membrane, nucleolus (origin of ribosomes and RNA), chromatin (makes up chromosomes), chromosomes (hereditary material), nucleosome (made up of proteins and DNA) and histone proteins (bind DNA in a compact form). To be more precise, the cell nucleus contains a maximum amount of hereditary material for a cell.

It seems that he was right, at least as a general statement, haven't yet found specific numbers for the nucleus's composition. That being so, the interactions between DNA binding proteins and DNA, being so crucial to biology, seem to depend a lot on electromagnetism.

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for the additional info, bngenoh. Fascinating. If more can be learned about the interactions between DNA and DNA binding proteins, electromagnetism, ionic / charge roles, etc., and the knowledge refined and developed, we may have much better ideas of how consciousness interfaces with matter in biological systems and know much more details at the level of the interface. This may even lead to insights into better experimental designs specifically for studying consciousness, I would think?

[bngenoh]

Now we have more possibilites as in Electric Biology:

Plasma blobs hint at new form of life

Physicists have created blobs of gaseous plasma that can grow, replicate and communicate - fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells. Without inherited material they cannot be described as alive, but the researchers believe these curious spheres may offer a radical new explanation for how life began.

Most biologists think living cells arose out of a complex and lengthy evolution of chemicals that took millions of years, beginning with simple molecules through amino acids, primitive proteins and finally forming an organised structure. But if Mircea Sanduloviciu and his colleagues at Cuza University in Romania are right, the theory may have to be completely revised. They say cell-like self-organisation can occur in a few microseconds.

The researchers studied environmental conditions similar to those that existed on the Earth before life began, when the planet was enveloped in electric storms that caused ionised gases called plasmas to form in the atmosphere.

They inserted two electrodes into a chamber containing a low-temperature plasma of argon - a gas in which some of the atoms have been split into electrons and charged ions. They applied a high voltage to the electrodes, producing an arc of energy that flew across the gap between them, like a miniature lightning strike.

Sanduloviciu says this electric spark caused a high concentration of ions and electrons to accumulate at the positively charged electrode, which spontaneously formed spheres (Chaos, Solitons & Fractals, vol 18, p 335). Each sphere had a boundary made up of two layers - an outer layer of negatively charged electrons and an inner layer of positively charged ions.

That cells "prefer" an electro-positive inner environment, is very interesting especially in light of the idea of a proton current.

Trapped inside the boundary was an inner nucleus of gas atoms. The amount of energy in the initial spark governed their size and lifespan. Sanduloviciu grew spheres from a few micrometres up to three centimetres in diameter.
Split in two

A distinct boundary layer that confines and separates an object from its environment is one of the four main criteria generally used to define living cells. Sanduloviciu decided to find out if his cells met the other criteria: the ability to replicate, to communicate information, and to metabolise and grow.

He found that the spheres could replicate by splitting into two. Under the right conditions they also got bigger, taking up neutral argon atoms and splitting them into ions and electrons to replenish their boundary layers.

That's growing through feeding & metabolizing, is it not?

Finally, they could communicate information by emitting electromagnetic energy, making the atoms within other spheres vibrate at a particular frequency. The spheres are not the only self-organising systems to meet all of these requirements. But they are the first gaseous "cells".

Sanduloviciu even thinks they could have been the first cells on Earth, arising within electric storms. "The emergence of such spheres seems likely to be a prerequisite for biochemical evolution," he says.
Temperature trouble

That view is "stretching the realms of possibility," says Gregoire Nicolis, a physical chemist at the University of Brussels. In particular, he doubts that biomolecules such as DNA could emerge at the temperatures at which the plasma balls exist.

However, Sanduloviciu insists that although the spheres require high temperature to form, they can survive at lower temperatures. "That would be the sort of environment in which normal biochemical interactions occur."

But perhaps the most intriguing implications of Sanduloviciu's work are for life on other planets. "The cell-like spheres we describe could be at the origin of other forms of life we have not yet considered," he says. Which means our search for extraterrestrial life may need a drastic re-think. There could be life out there, but not as we know it.

Life not as we now it, hmm maybe life based in plasma as in the 4th state of matter, which varies between the properties of a solid, liquid and gas, variable physicality? Now read this:

The universe is filled with massive clouds of dust. From past studies, scientists have learned that this cosmic dust can, in the presence of plasma, creates formations known as plasma crystals. An international team of researchers published a study in the Aug.14, 2007, issue of the New Journal of Physics that indicates that these crystals may be more sophisticated than anyone realized. In simulations involving cosmic dust, the researchers witnessed the formation of plasma crystals displaying some of the elementary characteristics of life -- DNA-like structure, autonomous behavior, reproduction and evolution.

The depiction of Birkeland currents remind me of how DNA is also represented.

Before we get into how it works, let's talk about plasma. Plasma is the fourth state of matter. When gas is superheated, electrons are torn from atoms and become free floating. The gas then becomes ionized, carrying a positive charge. This superheated mix of ionized gas and free-floating electrons makes up plasma. Stars are mostly plasma, as is about 99 percent of the matter of the universe, though plasma is much less common on Earth, where we're used to dealing with solids, liquids and gases. Besides being found in stars and in our sun, plasma is transported by solar winds and magnetic fields, often coming into contact with dust clouds like those the researchers studied.

When plasma comes into contact with a dust cloud, dust particles gather an electric charge by sucking up electrons from the surrounding plasma. This core of electrons in turn pulls in positively charged ions, forming plasma crystals. In the scientists' simulations, which were performed on the International Space Station and in a zero-gravity environment at a German research facility, the plasma crystals sometimes developed into corkscrew shapes or even the double-helix shape of DNA. These helix-shaped crystals retain an electric charge and show what the researchers called a self-organizing ability.

Once in helix form, the crystals can reproduce by diving into two identical helixes, displaying "memory marks" on their structures. The diameter of the helixes varies throughout the structure and the arrangement of these various sections is replicated in other crystals, passing on what could be called a form of genetic code.

They even seem to evolve. The formations become sturdier over time as weaker structures break down and disappear.

The researchers want to test whether dust clouds in a non-simulated environment, such as those in Saturn's rings, form helixes and exhibit these behaviors. But the plasma crystals are fragile and difficult to test. They also require a consistent flow of plasma or else they "die."

If they exist in the simulated form, the researchers believe that the crystal organisms could be found in the rings of Uranus and Saturn, which are made up of small grains of ice.

So they form DNA-like shapes, reproduce, pass on their structure or genetic code, "eat" plasma, evolve and die. But are these supposed organisms a real life form?

Are plasma crystals alive?

In July 2007, a group of American scientists, in association with the National Research Council, issued a report recommending that scientists search for so-called weird life on other worlds, in space and even on Earth. Weird life is believed to be far different from life forms we're used to seeing. Weird life may be organisms that don't depend on water or that don't have DNA at all. Some people even believe that weird life existed on Earth in the ancient past and that it may still exist on this planet. In reality, scientists don't know what weird life is, but its presence has many reexamining notions of what alien life may be and where it might be found.

Whether or not the plasma crystals are an example of weird life is difficult to determine. Some of the questions regarding these potential organisms come back to the debate about what life is. For example, on Earth, we consider life to be carbon-based and dependent on the presence of water. Life forms also perform certain basic functions, like reproducing, evolving and metabolizing. But even using those functions as a classification can be tricky. David Grier, a physics professor at New York University, told New Scientist that "there is no mathematically rigorous definition of life," which makes it difficult to call these crystals "alive" [source: New Scientist Space].

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If the plasma crystals do exist in their simulated form, they live and develop at a pace at least a hundred thousand times slower than Earth's biological organisms. The question is then raised: given their fragility and slow pace of development, can they become intelligent or sentient?

If they are considered life, it may mean that these organisms are the most common life form in the universe, given the prevalence of plasma and massive interstellar dust clouds. There has also been some suggestion that these inorganic life forms somehow spurred development of organic life on Earth.

Plasma crystals and their slow development, reminds me of long wave cycles vs biologic short wave cycles.

[whitecoast]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Universe_model

I just noticed the wikipedia entry for Electric Universe Model has been deleted.  It said it was redirecting to a non-existent webpage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology Could this be the actual wikipedia entry, or is this unrelated?

[obyvatel]

    The 2007 discovery of "life-like inorganic dust" was referenced here .

   Plasma has been shown to form self-organizing structures - which is pretty interesting. Plasma structures as well as other inorganic structures may evolve very very slowly. They seem to represent 1D consciousness or primal matter.

Quoting Laura's post on this from here

   I have suggested that primal matter is "sleeping consciousness."  That, of course, being why it is matter.  So I wouldn't say that a rock is aware.   Minerals can grow, though very slowly.  Minerals can be piezo electric.  Minerals can be a lot of things.  Just very, very slowly.  Like aeons slowly.

    The "Tree Of Life" in the Wave discusses that when applied to the human being - the physical body correlates to 1D - or matter. From this line of thought also it makes sense to see double helical structures in human DNA and similar structures in matter. 

Plasma crystals and their slow development, reminds me of long wave cycles vs biologic short wave cycles.

    Here is the C's quote about long and short wave cycles.

   Everything that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about why humans are “entrapped” in physical existence, which, of course, is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from the long wave cycle experience of completely – what you would call – ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner. Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal existence.

   From the above, it looks like long wave cycle refers to pure ethereal existence while physicality is short wave cycle - at least for human beings.

hmm maybe life based in plasma as in the 4th state of matter, which varies between the properties of a solid, liquid and gas, variable physicality?

    Scientists consider plasma as a 4th state of matter because its properties are considered to be different enough from ordinary gaseous state as far as I know. 

[SeekinTruth]

That's my thinking on Long Wave and Short Wave cycles, as well. Also, the idea that consciousness is the "ultimate root" of existence, as opposed to materialistic science's view, makes it possible to think of physical existence arising from thoughts at a purely ethereal level. If this is so, then some of these thoughts are chosen to be experienced AS physical by the consciousness units, so to speak, that had these thoughts. And then they start a process of "falling" into physicality.

From that process arises the possibility to "ascend" back up, with a paraphysical "phase" before reaching to purely ethereal existence again -- and the whole thing cycling over and over again. This paradigm has no beginning or end and no linear time.

[whitecoast]

Plasma has been shown to form self-
organizing structures - which is pretty
interesting. Plasma structures as well as other
inorganic structures may evolve very very slowly.
They seem to represent 1D consciousness or
primal matter.

This reminds me of what G and Mouravieff say about the highest form of physical matter, the highest hydrogen known to material science, being 'rarefied air, or fire of the blood'. Could this be an archaic term for plasma? (Blood plasma, anybody?)

That's my thinking on Long Wave and Short
Wave cycles, as well. Also, the idea that
consciousness is the "ultimate root" of
existence, as opposed to materialistic science's
view, makes it possible to think of physical
existence arising from thoughts at a purely
ethereal level. If this is so, then some of these
thoughts are chosen to be experienced AS
physical by the consciousness units, so to speak,
that had these thoughts. And then they start a
process of "falling" into physicality.

I was wondering, does the evolution of a long wave cycle consciousness unit entail a growth in their marbles, so to speak?

A: All in nature seeks balance.  One day, so to speak, "Percy" will  indeed  have an opinion of calculus.
Q: Okay, so consciousness energy directors are like a horizontal  reality in relation to the perpendicular ones?
A: Slots, my dear, slots.
Q: Are these slots comparable to the appearing and disappearing of  electrons in the shells of an atom?
A: Not the point.  You are still trying to use 3rd density awareness  to  measure the reality parameters of all other density levels... Talk  about  your square peg and your round hole!  Tell Arkadiusz to trust in  gravity  waves to be merely his pathway to higher understanding, not the means  to an end.

Q: Now you have mentioned these 'slots.'  What are these slots, and  how  does one move from one slot to another? A: Picture this: you have 7 sizes of marbles.  You have 7 widths of  slots.   Where do the marbles "fit in."
Q: Do the marbles represent units of consciousness?
A: Close.  Or, divisions of consciousness level energy resonance  profiles.
Q:  Do these divisions of consciousness grow and change?
A: Yes.
Q: And they grow and change through acquiring knowledge, is that  correct?
A: Basically.

Since long wave cycle beings do gain knowledge, just very slowly, is it possible for a LWC being to resemble a 1D  short wave cycle being in terms of awareness or slot size, but otherwise be completely immaterial? Similar to Castenada's inorganic beings, which live extremely long but produce relatively little food for the Eagle?

Don Juan said that energetically, inorganic beings are like electrical currents, which may or may not tie back into the idea of plasma being the conductor of 1D consciousness. FWIW.