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DMace

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A Frequency vision of the universe
« on: May 22, 2012, 02:19:59 AM »
My concept of the fundamental forces of the universe and how it might work.

I would like to propose a particular method of looking at the universe that might help in unifying the theories of general relativity with the quantum universe.  Now, to be perfectly forthright, I do not have any math to back this up, just a vision with some technical background.  I have a BA in history, but was also in the navy as an electronic technician, and worked as a communication/computer technician for about 15 years, and have a deep fascination with science, astronomy, etc.

The concept I am proposing is based on an earlier idea I had, about everything in the universe being a frequency.  After thinking about string theory, m theory, and various other topics, I began to imagine everything as a frequency; energy expressed in a vibrating fashion.  This is not all that difficult to imagine, just think about how virtually everything we do is expressed in cycles.  Vision and hearing are the ways we perceive the natural frequencies of the universe.  The reason I am focused on this is because by using the imagery of a frequency, we can begin to describe what that means in the observable universe.

Now, in terms of the fundamental forces of the universe, if we assign each a frequency or range of frequencies, it becomes possible to directly relate them to each other and the universe.  Based on my history as a communication technician, I began thinking of the benefits of each part of the spectrum for various purposes.  The lower the frequency, the better it could carry around the curvature of the earth, or even penetrate water and earth.  The higher the frequency, the better for high speed data, but needed lone of sight, and was easily blocked.  Based on this, I thought about how each fundamental force would have a frequency that gave it it’s strength, range, and other characteristics.  Now, from quantum theory there could be as many as 12? Dimensions necessary for the string to vibrate in for the theory to work.  If true, then some of these frequencies would be more visible in the 4 dimensions we perceive, and others would be less.  In any event, these vibrations would create the energy, matter, and forces we perceive as a function of their frequency.

Unlike the normal presentation we normally have of a wave as being up/down/up/down, etc., these waves are going in all directions including many we do not perceive.  To us, it would likely look more like a spiral than anything else.  Not only that, but if the fundamental particles share these qualities, then they may be corkscrewing in and out of “reality” into other dimensions and then back again based on their frequency.  This might explain Heisenberg uncertainty.  Furthermore, electromagnetism is well known to vary between electrostatic energy and magnetic energy in a corkscrew fashion, so the same might be happening to the other forces, as they strengthen, weaken, then strengthen again, or even pop out, then back again, dimension hopping.

Back to the four fundamental forces and frequency.  In trying to unite these forces, it might be useful to think of them as harmonics.  If the fundamental forces are harmonics of each other, this would explain how they could be unified at one point.  But from there, they diverged as the universe expanded, with gravity as the long wave, with each stronger force being a higher harmonic.  This way, gravity as a wave is dependent on the size of the universe.  As the universe expands, the forces change.  The relationship of the forces is also probably related to phi, and this would explain the occurrences of phi throughout nature.  Also, the spin/twisting behavior of particles has a direct relationship to the spin of galaxies and the universe.  If the universe behaves the same way, then instead of space being flat or spherical, it might be a conch, spiraling out with a ratio of phi, and in a holographic sense, it could be the ring of the conch as the picture or slice of the holographic universe.   This might also explain why dna is such a basic form, it is simply replicating the flow of energy in the universe.  Based on this, it might be prudent to make things with loops, spirals and circles, because this is how the universe energy works.  With a good enough antenna, you can collect it, like a Stonehenge.

On a personal level, we are a collection of frequencies that make up who we are.  Sometimes those frequencies resonate, sometimes they clash, sometimes they cancel, sometimes they compliment.  When we learn, we are adding to those frequencies.  If they are in harmony, it can raise the energy level.  If they are opposite, they can cancel and energy is lowered.  By adding frequencies, and by resonating with others, we can increase our energy, but only if they are resonating.  These frequencies can also explain why some can become “attuned” to certain things.  There is a need to match frequencies to get a signal. Some of the things I remember from my navy days dealing with electronics, antennas, batteries, and such, is that in order to get maximum energy transfer, both the line and the receiver had to have the same impedance, or energy would be lost.  Also, in order to get a signal, you need to have signal strength above the noise, and a good filter.  The bandpass filter is what allows you to pick up a particular radio station, therefore, it becomes necessary to “attune” to achieve, well, whatever.  Also, it would make sense that if a negative presence wanted to directly affect things here, it would need a host of the right frequency and impedance or it wouldn’t be worth it, not enough energy would get through.  But with enough people resonating at those frequencies it could have the same effect.

There were some other facets of this I was pondering, but I have momentarily forgotten them.  I would be interested in anyone who might be able to put math to some of this, if it is even worth pursuing.  Thank you for taking the time to read this.

maxim.m

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 10:05:17 AM »
question:
Is vacuum really vacuum?
If it is then what is frequency in this vacuum? Math illusion?

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Q: You say that EM is interwoven with gravity. Santilli says that EM and gravity are the same. But, then there is light. Light is EM radiation. If so, then how is it that gravity, which is interwoven with EM, travels faster than EM, that is: supercedes light speed?
A: Gravity does not “travel.”
Q: Well, when you say that gravity ‘supercedes’ light speed, what exactly do you mean?
A: Gravity is equally located in all realms at once, in space/time.
Q: Now, the possible answer is that gravity travels as a phase, while light travels as a ‘bunch’ of waves. Is this the correct understanding?
A: The gravity wave is merely a “ripple” in the omnipresent fabric; the base energy facilitator.
Q: What is a fabric base facilitator?
A: Gravity is the fabric, and energy facilitator as well.
Q: If gravity is the fabric, base and facilitator, what is being facilitated?
A: You read it wrong. It is base, as in “basic” energy facilitator.

DMace

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 05:17:20 AM »
Vacuum IS the fabric of space/time itself, it would have to be something like that in order for any kind of energy propagation.  Vacuum is a medium in much the same way that air is a medium. In the case of vacuum, the energy is being expressed in a way we cannot perceive directly, ie., as in vibrating in dimensions we cannot measure.  Baryonic matter is suspended in it and it facilitates interaction.

question:
Is vacuum really vacuum?
If it is then what is frequency in this vacuum? Math illusion?

Quote
05.31.97
Q: You say that EM is interwoven with gravity. Santilli says that EM and gravity are the same. But, then there is light. Light is EM radiation. If so, then how is it that gravity, which is interwoven with EM, travels faster than EM, that is: supercedes light speed?
A: Gravity does not “travel.”
Q: Well, when you say that gravity ‘supercedes’ light speed, what exactly do you mean?
A: Gravity is equally located in all realms at once, in space/time.
Q: Now, the possible answer is that gravity travels as a phase, while light travels as a ‘bunch’ of waves. Is this the correct understanding?
A: The gravity wave is merely a “ripple” in the omnipresent fabric; the base energy facilitator.
Q: What is a fabric base facilitator?
A: Gravity is the fabric, and energy facilitator as well.
Q: If gravity is the fabric, base and facilitator, what is being facilitated?
A: You read it wrong. It is base, as in “basic” energy facilitator.

maxim.m

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 08:45:38 AM »
There is a model where vacuum/medium presented as 3d fabric in the form 3d "Flower of Life".
Every circle (sphere) represent 3d rotation whirlpool and connected to other 8 spheres like a fabric and form new bigger sphere.

crop circle:

Every impulse is presented as phase shift and balancing mechanism transfers this shift from sphere to sphere. We messure this shift and it's distribution as projection on one of axe in the form of frequency.
There is nothing to move through gravitation fabric except impulse.

maxim.m

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 08:36:48 AM »
Fort better understanding added 3D Model of Fabric:
_http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5421/18693796.jpg
_http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/108/33295282.jpg

Impulse moving from sphere to sphere "creating" a wave/frequency.
Impulse moving from sphere to lower sphere/upper sphere through point of singularity, "creating harmonics".
Size of sphere define frequency.

DMace

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2012, 04:41:15 AM »
UPDATE 7-2-12
I have had another insight into the frequency method of looking at the universe.  Given the nature of electro-magnetism, it occurred to me that all waves, all energy, vibrates back and forth between different energy forms as well as going from peak to trough.  In other words, even as the electric field is strengthening, the magnetic field is weakening.  What if all waves shared the same principle?

Take a water wave at the beach.  I am making the assumption that the majority, if not all people, would see just the water wave, and not even think to see, that there is another form of energy that might be moving in a 90 degree fashion from the mechanical energy wave, the potential wave.  Now, kinetic and potential energy are well known, but what if the energy of the wave is also being conserved in other dimensions, in other energy forms we haven't even thought to look for?  What if all waves do this?

Also, another thought along these lines – what if matter itself is a 90 degree variation of energy, which is why matter and energy can transform one into the other?  These variations in waves can occur 90degrees not only in three dimensions, but in 11 or more.  So matter is a 90 degree variation of energy in the first three dimensions, but move it 90 degrees in other dimensions, like the 4th 5th, or 10th, and you will get different variations of the energy expression from light to gravity to electro-magnetism to strong and weak forces.  Does this make sense to anyone else?

maxim.m

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 08:55:09 AM »
Also, another thought along these lines – what if matter itself is a 90 degree variation of energy, which is why matter and energy can transform one into the other?  These variations in waves can occur 90degrees not only in three dimensions, but in 11 or more.  So matter is a 90 degree variation of energy in the first three dimensions, but move it 90 degrees in other dimensions, like the 4th 5th, or 10th, and you will get different variations of the energy expression from light to gravity to electro-magnetism to strong and weak forces.  Does this make sense to anyone else?

Different forces are representation of one universal force. But I am not sure that dimensions are good way to unify it. It doesnt explain anything. For example, why 1 dimension represents light, other weak force, other strong force, etc.

lake_george

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 01:23:57 PM »
This topic has been and still is highly interesting to me.

If you are not already familiar, you may find helpful Gurdjieff's Law of Three and Law of Octaves, presented a little bit in "In Search of the Miraculous"   by Ouspensky.

The Law of Octaves is taken a lot further in the book "Cosmic Secrets" by Russell Smith.

_http://www.thedogpub.com/index.php/home.welcome.htm

Involving the different dimensions are J.G.Bennett's "Deeper Man," and Rodney Collin's "The Theory of Eternal Life."

_http://www.holybooks.com/the-theory-of-eternal-life-by-rodney-collin/

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 02:54:10 PM »
Just came across this --

_http://www.gurdjieffdominican.com/triamazikamno_Elaine.html

Here are the first few paragraphs:

Pertaining to The Law of Three, Triamazikamno

by Elaine Jacobs, January 2005

Musings on 'All and Everything' Tied to String Theory

My King James Version Bible begins thus:  "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.  And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." [emphasis added]  Apparently God did not start with nothing.  The Book clearly states that a 'dark void' existed simultaneously, or before "God moved upon" It.  There is no 'upon' nothing.  We humans have been so dazzled by the Light that we overlooked the simple fact that without the Dark, the Light would be indefinable, indiscernible - and vice-versa.  Recent observations of about ten to fourteen billion years of Space Time show that "...most of the universe today is composed of invisible dark matter and dark energy." [1]  By the end of the 20th Century here on earth, cutting-edge science began to observe both the extreme micro on our planet, and extreme macro of Space, and discovered, not nothing, but potentially anything, everywhere.  At the sub-subatomic level everything seen and not-seen now appears to be a very fast agitation of potential electromagnetic charges, a multi-universe-sized bubbling soup of possible atomic structurings - a 'womb' for Creation.

Everything is so undifferentiated at this minute scale, regarding spin and charge, that what for decades had been observed as a point or ‘particle' of measurable polarity and location, now looks like an ultimately immeasurable "smear" of extremely rapid oscillation over a multi-dimensional area of Space-Time. [2]  This image was dubbed a stretchy "string", maybe a "membrane" seen edge-on. [3]  Not only do positive and negative charges flip-flop so rapidly and chaotically as to be any-charges, but even the 'neutral' or 'zero charge' has now been seen to be a "mass-less spin 2 particle" with two directions of spinning simultaneously, a very 'queer' item indeed. [4]  In other words, what was thought to be something is actually anything, and what was considered nothing is really everything.  Needless to say, at the dawn of the 21st Century, there is a lot of cacophony among the world's top physicists who are seeking the ultimate harmony of a fully mathematically unified theory explaining all observed phenomena.  It will be interesting to see how they describe the eternal relationship of this Trinity of three very basic principles, 'Positive,' 'Negative,' and 'Neutral'/('goes-both-ways',) as it becomes ever clearer by direct observation that each help 'create' the others - are perpetually adapting analogs and anti-analogs of each other, and are thusly One..
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DMace

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 10:39:51 PM »
Everything is so undifferentiated at this minute scale, regarding spin and charge, that what for decades had been observed as a point or ‘particle' of measurable polarity and location, now looks like an ultimately immeasurable "smear" of extremely rapid oscillation over a multi-dimensional area of Space-Time. [2]  This image was dubbed a stretchy "string", maybe a "membrane" seen edge-on. [3]  Not only do positive and negative charges flip-flop so rapidly and chaotically as to be any-charges, but even the 'neutral' or 'zero charge' has now been seen to be a "mass-less spin 2 particle" with two directions of spinning simultaneously, a very 'queer' item indeed. [4]  In other words, what was thought to be something is actually anything, and what was considered nothing is really everything.  Needless to say, at the dawn of the 21st Century, there is a lot of cacophony among the world's top physicists who are seeking the ultimate harmony of a fully mathematically unified theory explaining all observed phenomena.  It will be interesting to see how they describe the eternal relationship of this Trinity of three very basic principles, 'Positive,' 'Negative,' and 'Neutral'/('goes-both-ways',) as it becomes ever clearer by direct observation that each help 'create' the others - are perpetually adapting analogs and anti-analogs of each other, and are thusly One..[/i]................................

Yes, I think this is very much along the same lines of thinking.  It is unfortunate that human beings can only perceive 'four' dimensions of space and time, as we are vibrating not just in these dimensions but all of the others as well, and we cannot really describe these motions yet ans they could appear to us as not moving, moving in two or more states at once, or oscillating between different energy states.  Dark matter and dark energy may just be expressions of energy we are familiar with, just vibrating mostly in higher dimensions as opposed to the four we normally perceive.

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 01:20:50 AM »
This topic has been and still is highly interesting to me.

If you are not already familiar, you may find helpful Gurdjieff's Law of Three and Law of Octaves, presented a little bit in "In Search of the Miraculous"   by Ouspensky.

Intellectually I've studied both of these laws for a very long time and I'm still not much closer to understanding them in a practical way then when I stated. IMO the reading about them is OK but my advice is study them just to get familiar with the concepts without the expectation that you truly understand them in a practical way. Still they are just theories. I think it's better explained in Gurdjieff's book Beelzebub's Tales which still doesn't mean that I understand them any better. But I think reading about them in Beelzebub and trying to understand them from within the context of that book is a very good exercise for the mind. Fwiw.
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lake_george

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 02:12:26 AM »

Intellectually I've studied both of these laws for a very long time and I'm still not much closer to understanding them in a practical way then when I stated. IMO the reading about them is OK but my advice is study them just to get familiar with the concepts without the expectation that you truly understand them in a practical way. Still they are just theories. I think it's better explained in Gurdjieff's book Beelzebub's Tales which still doesn't mean that I understand them any better. But I think reading about them in Beelzebub and trying to understand them from within the context of that book is a very good exercise for the mind. Fwiw.

Hello kenlee,

Just for the record, I am not claiming understanding of these laws, but I have verified enough to feel convinced that they are objective laws and so somehow what is being found experimentally and theoretically should be able to be translated and/or brought into agreement with the laws.

The book "Cosmic Secrets" begins with what is written about the laws in the Purgatory Chapter of BT.    There is information on just how the major scale is amazingly different from the other scales, how the inner octaves of vibrations affect each other, and how the RNA molecule and the periodic table of elements arise from the interaction of the octaves of vibrations.... and MORE!!!  (Secretly I am hoping that someone else 'here' will read it and can help me understand it more completely.)
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is."

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Re: A Frequency vision of the universe
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 02:44:19 AM »
Just came across this --

http://www.gurdjieffdominican.com/triamazikamno_Elaine.html

Here are the first few paragraphs:

Pertaining to The Law of Three, Triamazikamno

by Elaine Jacobs, January 2005

Musings on 'All and Everything' Tied to String Theory

{snipped}

Interesting. Sounds very quantum-like.

My King James Version Bible begins thus:  "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.  And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." [emphasis added]  Apparently God did not start with nothing.

Yup, dangit! That's what I think the gnostics have been saying all along. The 'void' does not equate to "nothing at all"...just no (actualized-at-the-present-time) 'thing'.

It's been said the western mindset has the biggest problem with "the void" concept. The 'problem' is demonstrated with those infinite regression questions like: who created existence? Then, who created the creator? ad infinitum.

It's a dirty trick been played on us, OSIT. No matter how hard we try, it seems very hard to remove the assumption that it's a "null" space that underlies all there is.
It seems, from all the studies that are done, that an elevated mood - one of happy expectation of the possibility of adventure - is the greatest protection against illness. Perhaps it is also the one that makes one "inedible" to the Matrix? -Laura