Verneuil's disease AKA Hydradenitis Suppurative

Hi Petite Femme

I think given you've been on antibiotics this thread will be helpful Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG and other probiotics as well as Soil Based Probiotics. The antibiotics kill off the good bacteria, and good bacteria can help reduce chrones symptoms (I'll get to that connection later) - so it's possible that antibiotics may actually make things worse.
Having some carbs to keep the critters alive is also important! Think of carbs as feeding the guys who are helping you.

Hydradenitis Suppurative is a topic I've been looking into on and off for a while, and mostly the research is very limited. Any ideas beyond surgery then are mostly hypothetical.
It does seem positively correlated to chrones and severe gut problems though, so I've been using that as a cross correlation. I've decided to take another look, and this is what I've found:

Firstly, what does the genetic side look like?
http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v131/n7/full/jid201142a.html
Our results provide further evidence that mutations resulting in haploinsufficiency of the γ-secretase genes, NCSTN and PSENEN, are involved in the pathogenesis of some familial cases of HS. To our knowledge, these findings have not previously been reported in Caucasian individuals. These results indicate the involvement of γ-secretase in the development of HS, which is further supported by the development of cysts in γ-secretase-deficient mice (Pan et al., 2004). γ-Secretase is involved in the cleavage of a wide array of transmembrane proteins; however, it is noteworthy that the hair follicle and sebaceous glands of mice deficient in γ-secretase are phenotypically identical to those of mice deficient in Notch 1 and 2 (Pan et al., 2004), potentially indicating the involvement of the Notch cell signalling pathway in HS. The binding of ligands to the extracellular domain of Notch receptors induces γ-secretase-driven cleavage of the intracellular domain which, in the nucleus, affects gene expression (Oswald et al., 2001). Our investigations highlight the γ-secretase–Notch pathway as a potential therapeutic target in HS. However, it is notable that screening of NCSTN, PSEN1, and PSENEN did not reveal mutations in five of the seven pedigrees. These HS pedigrees may therefore represent HS alleles comprising non-coding or undetected coding variants, represent phenocopies of HS, or be explained by further locus heterogeneity in HS. Further loci may include genes encoding other proteins involved in the γ-secretase–Notch pathway. Investigations of additional familial and sporadic cases are required to establish the contributions of γ-secretase alleles in HS and identify further genes underlying this debilitating disease. The pathophysiological mechanisms underlying HS may also provide insight into the basis of more common conditions such as acne vulgaris.

Short version: the γ-secretase (gamma-secretase) enzyme is not being readily produced in those with this mutation.

A question then - is this something that will always happen in those with this mutation, or have environmental conditions caused a cascade situation?
That is, did the body need more of this because of some form of stress and Chrones/HS is the result of not being able to fulfill this demand?

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v133/n3/full/jid2012372a.html
There are both human and animal data to functionally support a role for γ-secretase in the skin. A number of individuals involved in the recent trial of the γ-secretase inhibitor Semagacestat for Alzheimer’s disease reported cutaneous side effects including nonspecific skin rashes, hair color changes, and an increased risk of skin cancer (Kelleher and Shen, 2010; Panza et al., 2010). It is unclear whether the skin changes resembled HS; however, the alterations in hair color would be consistent with a biological role for γ-secretase in the hair follicle.

A greater body of work has focused on the function of γ-secretase in the skin of mice where disrupture (PSEN1−/PSEN2−, PSEN1−, and NCT+/−) results in follicular keratinization, follicular atrophy, the formation of epidermal cysts, absent sebaceous glands, and epidermal hyperplasia, all histological features of HS in humans (Xia et al., 2001; Pan et al., 2004; Li et al., 2007). These cutaneous manifestations initially appeared around the nose and mouth, inguinal and perineal areas, and around the sebaceous glands of the eyelids and ears (the post-auricular area, inguinal, and perineal areas are commonly affected in HS). Some nodules on the PSEN1− and NCSTN+/− mice became dysplastic and developed into SCC, which may correlate with the rare development of SCC in HS-affected skin in humans. γ-Secretase would therefore seem to act as a tumor suppressor in the skin, a function potentially mediated by its effects on Notch signaling (known to be a tumor suppressor) and EGFR (γ-secretase inhibition results in an upregulation of EGFR, known to be upregulated in over 90% of head and neck SCCs; Li et al., 2007).

Mice treated with a γ-secretase enzyme inhibitor (LY-411,575), which leaves the γ-secretase complex intact and at normal levels, develop lesions similar to NCT+/− mice (Li et al., 2007). This therefore suggests that it is the reduced enzyme activity in the genetically γ-secretase-deficient mice rather than the effect of any individual components of the complex that underlies the skin changes observed. The fact that mutations have been reported in three of the four subunits of γ-secretase in familial cases of HS suggests that this is likely to be the case in humans.

Another enzyme is essential for γ-secretase production.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v422/n6930/full/nature01506.html
Presenilin {PSEN - see study above} is essential for γ-secretase activity, a proteolytic activity involved in intramembrane cleavage of Notch and β-amyloid precursor protein (βAPP)1, 2.

So what can cause an increased demand for this enzyme (that would cause a failure/deficiency in those with the mutation)? Establishing cause/effect here is tricky.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17183144
Herein, we demonstrate that dietary deficiency in folate and vitamin E increased PS-1 expression in juvenile and adult normal C57B1/6J and ApoE-/- mice and in aged normal mice.[..]
Prior studies demonstrate that impaired DNA methylation resulting from a deficiency in S-adenosylmethionine (SAM, which is rapidly depleted following folate deprivation) leads to PS-1 overexpression, and that direct supplementation with SAM attenuates PS-1 overexpression.

One thing that causes low folate/SAMe is the MTHFR mutation - which coincidentally ties to someone else posting earlier in the thread:
cdwrites4 said:
You don't need more iron, you need B vitamins: B12, B6, B3, Folate

I also have MTHMR gene mutation c677T, homozygous. I've apparently been deficient in Bs all my life because of the mutation. So, since about January, I've been injecting methylcobalamin (B12) once per week. I also take all the B vitamins in a active form and try to eat some green leafy veggies every day. I think I'm slowly feeling better from all this. On my blood test, my B 12 shows up as super high out of range.

And from what I posted here Hidradenitis Suppurativa
CASE REPORTS:
The first case had pouchitis complicated by perianal abscesses and a recto-vaginal fistula. The second case had biopsy proven hidradenitis suppurativa affecting the perianal, inguinal and pubic skin. High dose vitamin B₁₂ appeared to be the major factor in preventing the recurrence of suppuration in both patients. Neither patient had vitamin B₁₂ deficiency. Open label experience: high dose vitamin B₁₂ treatment of a further 10 consecutive IBD patients with dermatoses was thought to provide benefit to six of them, but did not appear useful in four patients with perianal Crohn's disease with fistulae as the only manifestation of cutaneous disease.
CONCLUSIONS:
There appears to be a subset of IBD patients with perianal and more distant inflammatory dermatoses, who benefit from high dose vitamin B₁₂ treatment. Clinical trials in IBD patients with biopsy-characterised suppurative dermatoses will be required in order to properly define the role of this safe and economical therapy.

It should be noted that in cases of the MTHFR mutation, standard B12 and folate supplements will make things worse! This included eating vegetables high in folate.

Following this thread:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15259382
Low S-adenosylmethionine concentrations found in patients with severe inflammatory bowel disease.

S-adenosylmethionine is a methyl donor in many cellular reactions including detoxification of constantly produced hydrogen sulphide in the colon. A reduced capacity to detoxify hydrogen sulphide may be implicated in the pathogenesis of inflammatory bowel disease. S-adenosylmethionine could be low if this assumption is correct. We compared S-adenosylmethionine concentrations in whole blood in patients with severe and moderate inflammatory bowel disease with healthy reference persons.
METHODS:
S-adenosylmethionine concentrations in whole blood were measured using high-pressure liquid chromatography. Patients with Crohn's disease (n=21), ulcerative colitis (n=7) and healthy age-matched reference persons (or controls) (n=17) were studied.
RESULTS:
S-adenosylmethionine concentrations were significantly decreased in patients with severe inflammatory bowel disease (mean 1.10 mg/l) as compared to patients with moderate Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis (mean 1.83 mg/l) and reference persons (mean 1.84 mg/l). Statistically significant inverse correlations were found between S-adenosylmethionine concentration and activity index (p<0.01 and R2=0.86) as well as Crohn's disease activity index (p<0.01 and R2=0.50) scores.
CONCLUSIONS:
Low concentrations of S-adenosylmethionine were found in patients with severe inflammatory bowel disease. Future studies will show whether S-adenosylmethionine is a marker for disease activity and a possible tool for investigation of sulphur toxicity as a causative mechanism in inflammatory bowel disease.

So an inability to handle sulphide (due to lack of SAMe) could be a causative factor in one subset of people with this condition.

http://www.biomedsearch.com/article/Inflammatory-bowel-disease-part-ulcerative/107835435.html
The Sulfur-Butyric Acid Connection

Butyric acid, a four-carbon short chain fatty acid, and several other SCFAs, including propionic and acetic acids, are produced in a healthy colon by fermentation of fiber and other carbohydrates. Butyric acid provides the primary fuel for colonocytes. Proper ion transfer, mucus synthesis, phase II detoxification, and lipid synthesis for cell membrane integrity in the colonocytes depend on butyrate oxidation. (47) Impaired metabolism of SCFAs has been implicated as a factor in UC.

Hond et al compared butyrate metabolism in healthy controls with that of 25 hospitalized patients with severe ulcerative colitis and 11 UC patients in remission. They measured butyrate metabolism after rectal instillation of [sup.14]C-labeled butyrate by measuring [sup.14]C[O.sup.2] in the breath. Patients with active UC had significantly lower butyrate oxidation than patients in remission (who had normal butyrate oxidation) or controls. Three patients with inactive disease had decreased butyrate oxidation and interestingly, all three relapsed within a few weeks. (48) Perhaps decreased oxidation of SCFAs is a good predictor of possible relapse and occurs before other signs of inflammation. Because normal oxidation was observed in patients in remission, faulty SCFA oxidation is likely to be a result rather than a primary cause of ulcerative colitis. {One wonders if the same process of oxidation of the fatty acid is occurring inside the body, perhaps due to leaky guts? I remember finding a possible correlation between oxidation of fatty acid and HS somewhere earlier in the thread}

Other researchers compared the rate of butyrate, glucose, and glutamine oxidation to carbon dioxide in colonoscopy biopsy specimens from 15 patients with quiescent or mild colitis to specimens from 28 controls with normal colonic mucosa. Butyrate, but not glucose or glutamine, oxidation was significantly impaired in the UC patients compared to controls, even though the disease was mild. (49)

High concentrations of sulfate-reducing bacteria with concomitant elevation of hydrogen sulfide have been noted in patients with UC. Hydrogen sulfide can potentially damage the gut mucosa by inhibiting butyrate oxidation in the mitochondria, essentially starving the cotonocyte (Figure 3). In experiments on human colonocytes isolated from colectomy patients, hydrogen sulfide and other sulfur compounds inhibited butyrate oxidation by 75 percent in the distal colon and 43 percent in the ascending colon. The authors of the study conclude that the "metabolic effects of sodium hydrogen sulfide on butyrate oxidation along the length of the colon closely mirror metabolic abnormalities observed in active ulcerative colitis." (50)

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Animal studies on rabbits and guinea pigs have demonstrated that feeding sulfated polysaccharides (such as carrageenan), but not unsulfated polysaccharides, can induce lesions similar to ulcerative colitis. (51)

Researchers note higher counts of sulfur-reducing bacteria in the feces of patients with active UC than in patients in remission. (52) A commonly used drug for treatment of ulcerative colitis, 5-aminosalicylic acid (5-ASA; mesalamine) has been shown to lower sulfide concentrations in feces. (53) {The bacteria could be helping the body handle the sulphur it can't - without them damage occurs in greater amounts. But only if the person doesn't have or can't produce adequate methyl donors.}

Methylation is believed to be an important route for sulfide detoxification in the colonocyte. {Right back to methyl donors/folate deficiency and/or MTHFR mutations} (54) A study was conducted to determine if methyl donors could reverse the damaging effect of sulfides on colonocytes. Isolated colonocytes from rat and human specimens were tested by measuring the oxidation of butyrate in the presence of hydrogen sulfide, followed by introduction of methyl donors to the suspension. Sulfide toxicity was reversible most potently by S-adenosylmethionine 1,4 butane disulfonate (stable form of SAMe), followed by DL-methionine-S-methyl-sulfonium and L-methionine. Methyl donors may have therapeutic value in UC. (55)

Interestingly, hyperhomocysteinemia, a condition of inadequate methylation, has been found to occur more commonly in patients with IBD (17 of 64; 26.5%) than controls (4 of 121; 3.3%). (56) Other researchers confirm homocysteine levels tend to be higher in IBD (8.7 mmol/L) than in healthy controls (6.6 [micro]mol/L). (57) While hyperhomocysteinemia may likely be, at least in part, a result of folate or vitamin B12 deficiency associated with the disease process or medications used, it may also be a contributing factor to the pathogenesis of UC. {i.e. a viscous cycle. It should be noted that methyl donors and B12 get depleted from severe long term stress, such as having one of these diseases. Thus the longer the disease and stress lasts, the less capacity the body has to protect from the disease flaring up!}

At least two in vitro studies have attempted to determine whether activity of certain enzymes involving sulfur metabolism are up- or down-regulated in UC. One found thiolmethyltransferase (TMT) activity did not seem to be associated with sulfide-induced colonocyte toxicity). (54) A second in vitro study found TMT activity was significantly higher in UC. The authors speculate TMT might be up-regulated in UC in an attempt to detoxify excess hydrogen sulfide. (58)

Potential sulfate toxicity may have implications for diet as both an etiological and therapeutic factor. The Western diet, which by one analysis contains an average of 16.6 mmol sulfate/day compared to the rural African diet that contains an average of 2.7 mmol sulfate/day, (51) has been implicated as one of the risk factors in ulcerative colitis. Sulfur may be acquired in the diet by consumption of food preservatives and additives such as sulfites, sulfur dioxide, and carrageenan, and foods high in sulfur amino acids (eggs, whole milk, cheese, meat, cruciferous vegetables, onions, and garlic). The effects of low-sulfur diets on UC are discussed in the dietary treatment section.

Similar to sulfides, nitrogen derivatives may inhibit butyrate metabolism. An in vitro study found nitric oxide interfered with fatty acid metabolism in colonocytes. However, co-administration of peroxide and sulfide was necessary to cause injury to the colonocyte. (59)


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Less Conventional Treatments for Ulcerative Colitis Connection between Smoking, Nicotine, and UC

Epidemiological data have found smoking may confer some level of protection from UC. Thirty newly diagnosed UC patients were matched for age, sex, and marital and economic status with healthy controls. Patients with UC were three times less likely to smoke but seven times more likely to have quit smoking an average of 27 months prior to diagnosis. (73)

Because of the possible link between smoking and protection from UC, a number of studies have been conducted using transdermal nicotine patches or nicotine gum for the treatment of ulcerative colitis. A small, double-blind, crossover trial examined seven UC patients individually (single-patient trial) for eight weeks. Therapy was alternated every two weeks between nicotine gum (20 rag/day) and placebo gum. Evaluation was on the basis of self-reported symptoms and proctoscopic exam. Three of seven patients, all former smokers, demonstrated significant enough improvement to warrant incorporating nicotine gum into their treatment regimens. (74)

The effectiveness of transdermal patches has been examined in several double-blind trials. Seventy-two patients with active UC were randomized to receive either daily 15-25 mg transdermal nicotine patches or placebo patches for six weeks. All patients remained on previous medications--mesalamine in all patients and low-dose glucocorticoids in 12 patients. Seventeen of 35 patients in the nicotine group experienced complete remission, compared to nine of 37 in the placebo group. The nicotine group also had greater improvement in clinical signs, symptoms, and histological findings, and decreased stool frequency, abdominal pain, and urgency. Twenty-three patients in the nicotine group experience side effects (mainly lightheadedness, nausea, headache, and sleep disturbances), compared to only 11 in the placebo group. (75)

A study published the following year, involving some of these same researchers, did not find significant positive effects from the use of transdermal nicotine. Eighty UC patients in remission were assigned in double-blind fashion to either transdermal nicotine (15 mg patch for 16 hours daily) or placebo patch for six months. As soon as a maintenance dose of nicotine was reached, mesalamine was discontinued in all patients. No significant differences in number of relapses were noted between groups. The researchers observed serum nicotine levels were lower than expected in the active treatment group, which may reflect poor compliance. (76)

Several small Italian studies yielded some positive findings. In seven of 10 patients with relapsing UC on mesalamine who did not tolerate steroids well, 15 mg transdermal nicotine daily for four weeks resulted in clinical remission that persisted for as long as three months after nicotine withdrawal. (77)

Another small study compared the effects of transdermal nicotine with those of prednisone in patients on mesalamine maintenance therapy. Patients in clinical relapse were randomly assigned to add either prednisone or transdermal nicotine to mesalamine for five weeks. The first 15 in each group with clinical and endoscopic signs of remission were followed for six months. The relapse rate was 20 percent in the nicotine group and 60 percent in the prednisone group. (78) In a further evaluation, follow-up continued for 12 months with patients in remission due to either nicotine or prednisone. If patients relapsed, they were crossed over to the other treatment regimen. After 12 months, relapse occurred in 14 of 15 patients originally on prednisone and seven of 15 Oil nicotine. (79)

Transdermal nicotine has been compared to oral mesalamine in the treatment of distal colitis. Thirty patients who failed to respond to mesalamine enemas (4 g at bedtime) were randomly assigned to 15 mg transdermal nicotine daily or 800 mg mesalamine three times daily for four weeks. Clinical and sigmoidoscopic remission was observed in 12 of 15 patients on nicotine, but only five of 15 on oral mesalamine. (80)

Transdermal nicotine appears to offer effective co-treatment for UC, both for patients during relapse and for maintaining remission. In the negative study, patients were asked to discontinue mesalamine, unlike other studies where patients remained on their maintenance treatment. Although nicotine's mechanism of action is unknown, it may exert its effects through inflammatory mediators, (81) changes in mucus production, (82) or alterations in blood flow. (83)

Heparin: An Unexpected Find

Patients with UC have a greater risk of developing coagulation problems such as deep vein thrombosis (DVT). {This is also a really common problem for those with the MTHFR mutation. Heparin also seems to help with some MTHFR problems such as miscarriage} In treating patients for DVT with heparin, an unexpected improvement in UC was noted, Heparin consists of a group of GAGs that have anticoagulant as well as potential anti-inflammatory effects.
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Folic Acid

Folic acid status in ulcerative colitis patients may be influenced by a number of factors, including reduced dietary intake, red cell hemolysis secondary to chronic drug therapy, (104) chronic diarrhea, (105) and sulfasalazine therapy that interferes with absorption of folate. (106) Impaired intestinal transport and absorption results in structural alteration of intestinal mucosal cells, thus promoting further malabsorption and cell transformation. (105,107)

As mentioned, folate deficiency may be associated with high homocysteine levels often seen in UC patients. A Greek study examined serum folate and homocysteine levels in 108 IBD patients, 53 of whom had UC. It was determined that UC patients had significantly higher homocysteine levels, while folate levels were lower when compared to control subjects. (108) {Classic symptons of one of the MTHFR mutations, but could also be caused by just having a B12/folate deficiency for some other reason such as chronic stress}
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Elimination of Sulfur-containing Amino Acids

Based on the known contribution of sulfides to the pathogenesis of UC, a pilot study was conducted on eight patients taking sulfasalazine for maintenance and prednisolone for acute attacks (four who had suffered a first acute attack and four with chronic UC). The patients were asked to eliminate dietary sources of sulfur-containing amino acids, including eggs, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, mayonnaise, soy milk, mineral water, sulfited drinks such as wine and cordials, nuts, and cruciferous vegetables. They were also asked to decrease intake of red meat, substituting chicken, fish, and skim milk as protein sources. During the 12-month follow-up, the patients experienced no relapses or attacks (expected relapse rate on sulfasalazine was 22.6 percent). In addition, all showed marked histological improvement. The number of bowel movements daily in the four chronic UC patients decreased from an average of 6/day to 1.5/day. Two patients stopped the diet, but resumed it when they noticed adverse effects. (126) A larger controlled trial is warranted.

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Short Chain Fatty Acids

Because of the vital role they play in the maintenance of colonic integrity and energy metabolism, SCFA supplementation using butyrate enemas has been the focus of several studies in UC patients. Enema administration is thought to enhance and prolong the contact of butyrate with the colonic cells when compared to other routes of administration. The use of butyrate enemas in UC patients has produced varied results, making conclusions regarding their effectiveness difficult. Harig et al administered enemas containing sodium salts of butyrate, propionatc, and acetate to patients with diversion colitis (microscopically indistinguishable from UC) twice daily over a six-week period and demonstrated an improvement in inflammation and a significant reduction in symptoms. (164)

In a multicenter trial, 51 patients with chronically active mild-to-moderate distal UC received enemas of either butyrate plus 5-ASA or saline plus 5 ASA twice daily. After eight weeks endoscopic and histological parameters, laboratory data, stool frequency and consistency, and other UC symptoms were assessed. The administration of 5-ASA plus butyrate was significantly more effective than 5-ASA plus saline in achieving disease improvement or remission. (165)

Two six-week studies reported either statistically insignificant (166) or no improvement (167) in UC disease activity or remission status in patients supplemented with butyrate enemas, when compared to a saline enema placebo.

Glutamine

In addition to being the main fuel source for the mucosal cells in the ileum, (168) glutamine is also utilized by colonocytes as a respiratory fuel source. (169) A rat study investigated the effect of various agents (prednisolone, 5-ASA, L-glutamine, or SCFAs) applied by enema twice daily for seven days alter induction of colitis with trinitrobenzene sulfonic acid in ethanol. L-glutamine enemas provided the most benefit when compared to the other agents, resulting in a decrease in severity of colitis and lipid peroxidation, without altering mucosal absorption capacity. None of the other three agents yielded such comprehensive benefit. (170)

Research using other animal models of UC has shown glutamine addition to elemental diets decreases endotoxin levels (171) and promotes more rapid healing of colonic lesions. (172)

Phosphatidyicholine/Phosphatidylinositol

Research using a rat model of induced colitis indicates oral supplementation with phosphatidylcholine (PC) prevents collagen deposition and subsequent stricture formation in inflamed colonic tissue. Two of 15 rats fed 100 mg PC daily developed strictures, compared to 12 of 16 colitic rats not receiving PC. Non-colitic control rats had no stricture development, in addition, collagenase activity in colonic tissue was significantly higher in colitic rats given PC than in non-colitic rats and colitic rats receiving no PC. The authors conclude the reduced rate of stricture formation in the treated rats was due to PC enhancement of collagen breakdown. (173)

A study of rats with acetic-acid induced colitis investigated the therapeutic benefits of colonically administered PC and phosphatidylinositol (PI). Both phospholipids were found to have therapeutic benefit when given in a dose-dependent and time-dependent manner over a three-day period. Beneficial effect (prevention of colitis induction and reduction of mucosal permeability) was most pronounced when either PC or PI was given to rats immediately after colitis induction (acetic acid administration). Both phospholipids resulted in significant mucosal recovery and decreased permeability. (174)

So in conclusion, there seems to be a potentially big connection between all of these things and the amount of methyl doners the body has or can produce.
I can't prove direct correlation and I have no idea if it will help, but the following may be worth trying:

Avoid all veg with folate in, along with standard folate/B12 supplements.
Avoid as much sulphur containing food as possible (see above).
Supplement with sub-lingual SAMe, methylfolate (go slow/low dose, it may make things worse before they get better) and sub-lingual methyl-B12 (more info here)
Also check out the suggested supplements in the article above perhaps.
 
I would suggest reading the thread about Autoimmune Conditions caused by amoeba might get petite femme further.
 
petite femme,

Crohn's disease is something else. It's main problem is an inflammation in the intestines, but can also have symptoms outside of it - joints, eyes, etc.

If you have a fistula there is probably not much else you can do than surgery, but maybe Gabi can chime in here too. Problem is if you have a fistula that it usually doesn't close by itself. But a keto diet is certainly optimal to reduce overall inflammation so that once the fistula has been taken care of it won't come back.

Are you 100% gluten free? And what about the psychological side - my experience with Crohn's patients is that usually they are highly intelligent and very differentiated, but overintellectualize emotions and often are very perfectionist people. Now this may not apply to you at all - but what I'm saying is that you also should take care of this side.

Also some say that Crohn's could be a fungal disease (or some say fungi can mimic Crohn's disease) and some have had good results with antifungal medication. The treatment you had is not very effective against fungi - it's more for bacteria and amoebas.

But that is definitely something you would have to do with a medical practitioner as some of these are quite toxic.

Maybe other have more to say.
Keep us posted.
 
I have read some of the thread about the amoeba. But I will read some more, as there is most likely more that's been added since I read last. Also, when I first started to change my diet and stop the medications I was taking for my chrones all those years ago, I had some serious detox issues. Horrible acne and just lots of skin problems. I started taking MSM daily, and have been since, for many years now. I wonder if this might be a contributing factor to the excess sulfur. I think I will discontinue my use of it and see what happens. I will certainly look into all the supplements that were suggested and do some more research.
I do think that the antibiotics did not help. They just made horribly sick. They did not effect the abscess at all. I have an appointment to see the surgeon this coming week. My hope is that they will administer some sort of test that will determine what exactly we are dealing with before they start cutting. It is still the same, no pain or visual drainage. It appears to be just below the surface of the skin. But you would think they would want to see for themselves just how deep it is and all that. Anyway, thanks for the advice. I will certainly be researching all that you guys suggested!! Thanks to redfox!! That was a lot to put together, greatly appreciated!
As far as I know, I am 100% gluten free. I was eating brown rice in the morning, but have cut that out since I went to the doctors. I cut out all carbs so as not to feed any infection that's going on. I am very much a perfectionist, but I am not really sure what you mean by taking care of that. I guess I just need a little clarification. Also, I am no dr, however I have always have good results from antifungal medications. I do think that fungus has a great deal to do with this. That was the whole idea around cutting out all sugar, yeast, and gluten. So as to not feed the candida. I have been on that sort of diet for many years. However, there were some carbs from rice and potatoes till recently. I am now eating just protein. Eggs, bacon, red meat and a few veggies, mainly cabbage or sauerkraut, onions and garlic. But it sounds like I need to switch that up.
I also have stopped my iron supplements, and started taking zinc. That makes a lot of sense. I was also anemic however, I havent really tested that in a while, and I have never taken Zinc.
Once again thank you all for the advice and pointing me in the direction of some possible answers. I will be researching and considering all that was posted!!
 
Laura said:
I would suggest reading the thread about Autoimmune Conditions caused by amoeba might get petite femme further.

Here's a link to that thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,38053.0.html
 
Also, I worry a lot about my weight. I am very little, weighing only 97 lbs when this all started. I have lost about 8 lbs so far, with the cutting of all carbs and the sickness from the antibiotics being two major factors in that situation. I,ve considered fat bombs to help with gaining, but they contain a lot of eggs, which contain sulfur. Any thoughts on how I can maybe curve anymore weight loss?
 
petite femme said:
Also, I worry a lot about my weight. I am very little, weighing only 97 lbs when this all started. I have lost about 8 lbs so far, with the cutting of all carbs and the sickness from the antibiotics being two major factors in that situation. I,ve considered fat bombs to help with gaining, but they contain a lot of eggs, which contain sulfur. Any thoughts on how I can maybe curve anymore weight loss?

Working out and having some carbs may be the way to go. Sweet potatoes, green beans, carrots. Just something like 20grams a day can make a difference.

Crohn's disease is very often linked to hydradenitis suppurativa. A surgery is unavoidable once a fistula forms, if you want to get rid of it. But one thing to make sure of is, like what you suggested, that the doctor checks for all possible tunnels. A good surgeon will not just go in a cut, she/he will use a contrast solution, and check that no inflamed areas were left untreated. That is usually done during the surgery, and not as a preliminary test, from what I've seen.

Fingers crossed!
 
Any tests they do will not show the true extent off the pathways from the fistula it can only be determined in surgery like Chu said. I was fed that toxic yellow liquid and made to take a scan. The scan did not show anything and the later surgeon said that that test was useless and would not show anything. So don't let them run expensive and useless tests. Main thing would be a good surgeon. Big hugs Petite Femme.

I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the sulfur issue. My last surgery was in 2011 and since then a third of my diet is eggs and I also take MSM somewhat regularly. I also use lots of garlic and onion in almost everything I cook. Sulfur has helped so much with my joint pain. My hair and nails are also much stronger and faster growing proving to me that my body is absorbing it like it should. I wonder if it is like the B12 issue, where it is good for some and not others? I would think that if sulfur overload was an issue I would have suffered the results by now of such a high sulfur diet.
 
Petite femme, usually surgery is needed. Only know of a woman who lives with her fistula, she gets it clean periodically by a nurse and will not undergo surgery due to her medical history. She has learned to live with it so to speak.

Usually there are very well experienced surgeons in referral centers where people with hydradenitis suppurativa or boils go to. That is very important because your surgeon(s) should be very well familiarized with the potential complexity of any intervention required.

Make sure you are properly nursed after surgery as well. You need good care and periodical cleaning. Don't save on the painkillers either, it really helps when you feel cared for and well.

:hug2:
 
Hi pettite femme,

I can understand the hard time you're going through, my health was also messed up when I went in an urgency to the hospital and they gave me tons of antibiotics, as I posted here before.

I can say that, even though the surgery does not cure the disease, it gives great relief. I am being extremely careful with my diet since my HS surgery and I didn't have any boils so far. Just 3 or 4 months, I could feel as if the scars were a little inflamed and I was a bit scared, but I guess it was still in the healing process because the wounds can take some time to heal completely. Overall, I can say that I'm totally glad I don't have those abscesses inflamed all the time. Now, I can take care of any other underlying issues that make me so intolerant to so many things, and this can be the case for you as well. I also know that it is better to have the surgery done before many fistulas are formed, so, probiotics and supplements (Zinc does a great job in reducing the inflammation) can help in the meantime, to reduce the antibiotics effects and some other symptoms, but, as other have said, a good surgeon with knowledge and experience on HS is the way to go about that fistula. I hope you can find one and that you get some relief soon! :hug2:

Regarding the sulfur... It does seem to be bad for me. Every sulfur containing food makes me sick. Other than that, I still can't eat lots of eggs without having pain in my joints as a result and coconut also makes me feel weird. So I guess I still need to work on whatever is causing all this inflammation.
 
Hi petite femme,

petite femme said:
I have read some of the thread about the amoeba. But I will read some more, as there is most likely more that's been added since I read last. Also, when I first started to change my diet and stop the medications I was taking for my chrones all those years ago, I had some serious detox issues. Horrible acne and just lots of skin problems [...] I do think that the antibiotics did not help. They just made horribly sick. They did not effect the abscess at all. I have an appointment to see the surgeon this coming week.

The fact that you had such a violent reaction to the antibiotics suggests to me that you may have experienced a severe herxheimer reaction, which would implicate some kind of longstanding microorganism infection that could be related to both your Crohn's and other skin problems (as Chu mentioned above, there may be a connection between Crohn's and hydradenitis suppurativa). You might want to take a look at some of the discussion here if you haven't seen it. I would also recommend getting a copy of Katherine Poehlmann's book Arthritis and Autoimmune Disease: The Infection Connection -- it's an updated and expanded version of her earlier book that has been discussed on the amoeba/mycoplasma thread. It can give you some ideas about tests and treatment, and you might find some things in the book that seem familiar to you and help you make connections between symptoms you didn't see as related before. I'm unfortunately not aware of any non-English versions, but fortunately most of the book is not overly technical.

petite femme said:
I also have stopped my iron supplements, and started taking zinc. That makes a lot of sense. I was also anemic however, I havent really tested that in a while, and I have never taken Zinc.

Based on what you've described so far, I think the zinc is a good idea -- if you want to get a general idea if you're zinc-deficient, there's a simple test you can do: buy some liquid zinc sulfate and swish some around in your mouth. If you don't get a strong taste from it, you're most likely deficient -- if you get a strong taste (i.e. you want to spit it out because it tastes so bad), your zinc levels are probably close to normal. Evening primrose oil may also be something that would be good for you to look into -- you can ask your doctor about it if you wish.

petite femme said:
I started taking MSM daily, and have been since, for many years now. I wonder if this might be a contributing factor to the excess sulfur. I think I will discontinue my use of it and see what happens. I will certainly look into all the supplements that were suggested and do some more research.
Yas said:
Regarding the sulfur... It does seem to be bad for me. Every sulfur containing food makes me sick. Other than that, I still can't eat lots of eggs without having pain in my joints as a result and coconut also makes me feel weird. So I guess I still need to work on whatever is causing all this inflammation.

Sulfur sensitivity can be due to a CBS mutation -- here are some short notes I took from a couple of the recent Depression Session talks:

Ben Lynch said:
CBS mutations are the number one cause of elevated homocysteine (risk factor for both cardiovascular disease and depression). When CBS is too slow, it blocks neurotransmitter production. MTHFR and CBS mutations – conversion too slow; MAO-A mutation – conversion too fast.
Jill Carnahan said:
Sulfur intolerance: Sulfites (wine, dried fruit), sulfa drugs, cruciferous veggies, MSM, ALA, NAC might be problems. CBS upregulates sulfur, and a mutation will lead to sulfur methylation that is too fast and will lead to sulfur intolerance.

FWIW, here's a related quote that might be relevant to the recent Urticaria thread:

Jill Carnahan said:
Histamine intolerance: people with MTHFR or DAO mutations can have trouble breaking down histamine; yeast and bacteria can lead to same; mast-cell destabilization: mold is a mast-cell destabilizer.

I'm hoping find out more about some other mutations like CBS within the next week, as well as look into possible connections to mycoplasma infections -- I'll update here if I learn anything useful.
 
Thank you, thank you Laura and team...this session is amazing, from start till end...and to the C's, Thank you for giving all of us in Laura's conduit such great hope.
 
Hello all, I'm sorry I haven't posted since my last entry, I have been very busy preparing for my time off of work. Today's the day, I leave for the hospital in about an hour for my surgery. I have my fingers crossed that all goes well. The surgeon seems to think that it is not an abscess, that it is just a cyst. But, like it was stated, they will not know for sure till they get in there. I will most likely be down for the rest of the day, but I will let you guys know how it went as soon as I am able. Thanks again for all the advice and thoughts!
 
Best wishes on your surgery petite femme! Please let us know how it goes and how you continue to feel in the days and weeks after the procedure. I really hope it will grant you some much needed relief.
 
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