ETA?

[Carlise]

Apologies for dramatising things, I was just shocked at how quickly time has gone since that session and how little time we have left as I feel there is so much I still need to work on. I am well aware of things to come and try to look at it as a challenge more than anything. I can't know for sure how exactly I'll react when things will play out but I can only do my best to prepare by continuously working on the Self.

Continuing the work is all we can do, whether we have 2 years or 200 years. If you are in such a state that seeking knowledge and work on the self is just generally part of your being then there is no place for worrying about "time", which we should know by now is not even real . If we do what we can do, without anticipation, then that is all there really is to it. Of course, this is easier said than done, but should serve as a reminder.

Also another thing to consider is how the awareness and power of this network seems to have been growing faster year on year. Personally I only discovered the Cassiopaeans less than a year ago, but thanks to the networking done here I have been able to 'stand on the shoulders of giants' somewhat. Recent tools such as EE and the even more recent low carb paleo diet have so far been like rocket fuel for my awareness, combined with the knowledge here. To the extent where I already feel I have achieved more than I ever could have done alone, and what may have taken multiple years just using Gurdjieff & others' methods (though I still have so much more to learn and must never forget that).

I don't think we should worry about time. It is absolute 3d thinking, basically fear based, and does not give enough respect to the divine wonder of which the universe is capable. Does it help to know what will/may soon be facing? Of course, but it is not something that should cause us anxiety.

[Average Joe]

I have little love or attachment to this world as it is. I'm ready for a change of scenery. Whether it takes comets, a wave or just a general awakening, I'll welcome it. Just being imprisoned in a body is getting old.

[Alana]

I have little love or attachment to this world as it is. I'm ready for a change of scenery. Whether it takes comets, a wave or just a general awakening, I'll welcome it. Just being imprisoned in a body is getting old.

Sometimes I feel this way too, AJ. The way I understand it however, is that there will be changes for those who already implement changes within themselves (through diet modifications and EE practice, through becoming aware of the reality of who we are and about the world around us). Like the C's say:

'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.' -- Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02

[Gonzo]

I have struggled with the thoughts of wanting to move on to 4D, but I realized lessons will come wherever I am, appropriate to my needs and to judge the lessons in this life, in this density as somehow less than what would come in 4D really doesn't make much sense.

Ultimately, it comes down to whether you are acting with growing awareness or reacting with ignorance. You will be where you need to be appropriate to your level. This is the universe, in all its divine wisdom, unfolding as it should. The most we can do is focus on growth and service, let go and let the DCM take care of the rest.

To worry about being left behind, to want to be in another density, to fear being blasted back into the primordial soup are all an incorrect use of energy and a form of lacking in faith in the DCM, OSIT, not that my mind doesn't occasionally go there as well.

There's sometimes a subtle difference between advancing oneself because it is the right use of energy versus advancing oneself in the hopes of avoiding certain aspects of a density shift.

We are tempted to assign value in terms of "graduating" or "failing" when, in reality, we need to be precisely where we are at any given moment, not because we want to or because we subjectively perceive it to be right, but because we fit.

I find this thought particularly difficult to communicate, so I hope I have expressed it well enough.

Gonzo

[SeekinTruth]

Well, you've expressed it clearly, in my opinion, Gonzo. It is exactly what I think, as well: we will be where we fit and that's that.

[Data]

I have little love or attachment to this world as it is. I'm ready for a change of scenery. Whether it takes comets, a wave or just a general awakening, I'll welcome it. Just being imprisoned in a body is getting old.

Sometimes I feel this way too, AJ. The way I understand it however, is that there will be changes for those who already implement changes within themselves (through diet modifications and EE practice, through becoming aware of the reality of who we are and about the world around us). Like the C's say:

'Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.' -- Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02

I wanted to respond with the same quote as you did, Alana. Average Joe, our reality is part of All Creation, so not loving what we see doesn't really help us growing in knowledge about it. The whole point of gaining knowledge is to be able to base our actions on it, to protect and provide for others and ourselves, and that eventually we may pave our way to a different reality -- after having mastered THIS one.

[Average Joe]

I appreciate the perspectives you have all have provided. They're good to remember and keep in mind.
I'm still stuck in a worldly mindset in many regards. I realize life is meant to be a struggle, and I'm doing my best. It takes a while to change a mindset, and I'm slowly chipping away at it. Nevertheless, the common paradigm is a powerful current which tends to sweep me up when I least expect it. Supporting a home and family demands a certain commitment of time and attention which makes it difficult to maintain a constant perspective.
I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me. I certainly haven't had the "lizzards are feeding on us" conversation yet. It makes sense to me, but as a casual small talk topic it's a little dicey.

AJ

[Alada]

I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me. I certainly haven't had the "lizzards are feeding on us" conversation yet. It makes sense to me, but as a casual small talk topic it's a little dicey.

Probably best left, it will probably only make people hate you, think you're bonkers, use your words against you as weapons or all of the above. Remember: "always expect attack, especially if it will cause problems later on". Nobody like being woken up when they are trying to sleep, it tends to make them angry.  > >   There is also the issue of free will, of not forcing our views onto others that haven't asked for them.

There are plenty of mentions through several of the '4th way' texts and here on the forum, warning against this kind of thing, that one should keep silent in thei work, build a 'strategic enclosure'. It is tempting to want to talk and share with others the ideas that we find interesting, very difficult to resist doing it, but a very useful aim to set for oneself I think.

[Carlise]

I appreciate the perspectives you have all have provided. They're good to remember and keep in mind.
I'm still stuck in a worldly mindset in many regards. I realize life is meant to be a struggle, and I'm doing my best. It takes a while to change a mindset, and I'm slowly chipping away at it. Nevertheless, the common paradigm is a powerful current which tends to sweep me up when I least expect it. Supporting a home and family demands a certain commitment of time and attention which makes it difficult to maintain a constant perspective.
I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me. I certainly haven't had the "lizzards are feeding on us" conversation yet. It makes sense to me, but as a casual small talk topic it's a little dicey.

AJ

I would like to echo Alada's comments about strategic enclosure. Many of us have gone through the stage of trying too hard to share these ideas with those who don't want to know or aren't ready to hear them. I suggest you learn from our mistakes

You may well end up feeling more lonely the more you learn unfortunately. However it is important to not take it too seriously. Just think, youre in prison, and your most important goal is to get out of prison, and to help others get out of prison if they so desire and when the time is right. It's a fun game! And don't forget you are not alone, it's great to have this forum to talk to.

Plus, having knowledge certainly doesn't mean you cant have friendly relations with people and have friends. In fact your personal relationships will most likely improve as you develop and can practice external consideration with people. You may never end up 'waking them up' to the presence of aliens, but you can share a lot of the practical 3d knowledge here about diet, psychology etc, to those who want to listen.

Regarding your comment about life being a struggle, you may find that your definition of struggle changes. Breaking old habits and world  views feels like a struggle, especially at first, and can be depressing at times. However it doesn't feel like much of a struggle anymore for me, it's just what I do and I'm learning to enjoy doing it. It's important to find the fine line between discipline and being too hard on yourself IMHO. Sorry if this is unclear, I am struggling to forumulate exactly the words I want to say 

Good luck to you

[Jerry]

I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me

Our “worldview” at best is limited and subjective.

When interacting with others it’s best to suspend all inner considering and act hospitably - so there’s really no need to be concerned about alienation.

At least that’s the way I see it.

[Iron]

I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me

Our “worldview” at best is limited and subjective.

When interacting with others it’s best to suspend all inner considering and act hospitably - so there’s really no need to be concerned about alienation.

At least that’s the way I see it.

Yes, I think that is pure inner considering and self importance, the desire of "bringing others to your world". In my view, it arises from the need to "show people what is best for them" and the need to be perceived as correct. If people seek like you, they will naturally come to the same understandings, and you will perceive with whom you can talk without infringing the freewill and making yourself a target. Depending on the position you take before the world, making oneself a target is sometimes unavoidable, but you should make efforts to consider what other people truly need of you in a given moment. More often than not, it isnt complete worldview revamping, but more basic needs that you can fullfill.

[Buddy]

I appreciate the perspectives you have all have provided. They're good to remember and keep in mind.
I'm still stuck in a worldly mindset in many regards. I realize life is meant to be a struggle, and I'm doing my best. It takes a while to change a mindset, and I'm slowly chipping away at it. Nevertheless, the common paradigm is a powerful current which tends to sweep me up when I least expect it. Supporting a home and family demands a certain commitment of time and attention which makes it difficult to maintain a constant perspective.
I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me. I certainly haven't had the "lizzards are feeding on us" conversation yet. It makes sense to me, but as a casual small talk topic it's a little dicey.

AJ

Hi AJ. May I suggest not worrying about maintaining a 'constant' perspective. Perspectives need to be flexible and able to change. IOW, in my experience, fundamentals and essences are what's most important to extract from learning. That way, no matter what the subject or context you are dealing with, what you 'know' easily translates between them. Example: narcissism is about believing in an imaginary 'split' between self and others along with imposing 'you owe me' (and other behaviors) on people. It is also about disassociation and can be discussed in those terms as well.

Lizzies==creepy energy, creepy feel, peculiar energy, bad feeling, entropic forces--even 'entropy' if the context is broad enough. You've probably got loads of words and phrases to help communicate what you want to say. See what I mean?

There is no walking away from the scenery. There's no place far enough. But there are many ways to view and understand what is going on behind those scenes.

Any questions, please feel free to ask.

[luc]

I have struggled with the thoughts of wanting to move on to 4D, but I realized lessons will come wherever I am, appropriate to my needs and to judge the lessons in this life, in this density as somehow less than what would come in 4D really doesn't make much sense.  [...]

Me too, I'm struggling with these thoughts at times. One "trick" I use to get out of these thoughts is to tell myself: What if I, as an advanced being in a higher density, have chosen to "come back" to this place to learn? Can't I imagine that being here, learning these lessons on earth, that this is something to be desired from a higher perspective? An opportunity? Of course, this is not to say that this really is how it works, but it sometimes helps me to fight self-pitty and the wish to "overcome this world".  fwiw

[Data]

I'm also trying to find a way to integrate my worldview socially without completely alienating everyone around me. I certainly haven't had the "lizzards are feeding on us" conversation yet. It makes sense to me, but as a casual small talk topic it's a little dicey.

Probably best left, it will probably only make people hate you, think you're bonkers, use your words against you as weapons or all of the above. Remember: "always expect attack, especially if it will cause problems later on". Nobody like being woken up when they are trying to sleep, it tends to make them angry.  > >   There is also the issue of free will, of not forcing our views onto others that haven't asked for them.

There are plenty of mentions through several of the '4th way' texts and here on the forum, warning against this kind of thing, that one should keep silent in thei work, build a 'strategic enclosure'. It is tempting to want to talk and share with others the ideas that we find interesting, very difficult to resist doing it, but a very useful aim to set for oneself I think.

This cannot be stressed enough. Any such mention will set off the alarms of the 'prison' and actions will be taken against you not only by the 'overseers' but also by the fellow 'inmates'.

[Alada]

This cannot be stressed enough. Any such mention will set off the alarms of the 'prison' and actions will be taken against you not only by the 'overseers' but also by the fellow 'inmates'.

Yep, people will love you if you disturb them up to share some new form poison they can put into their bodies, or to show them some new kind of titillation they can fill their heads with, they will even thank you for it, tell you how wonderful you are. But try waking them up only to tell them that they were asleep! Best conserve your energy.