Fernando Lugo, president of Paraguay dismissed from office

[mabar]

I heard recently this news on the radio

_http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/ultimas_noticias/2012/06/120622_ultnot_paraguay_lugo_destituido_lav.shtml

Fernando Lugo, president of Paraguay had been desmissed from office, (the link is in spanish)
It says that the senate had declared him guilty because his work was bad done, and something related to his responsibility, where 17 people were killed in close encounters between police and agricultural workers without lands

... well look at that!, if that kind of senate would similar work in this country, every thing would work quite differently.

I have been reading a interesting book, in spanish though, "The country of one" by Denise Dresser. It talks about how politics had been "working" in this country---feudo named Mexico. Because mexican politicians always had/are working for themselves.

[Megan]

... well look at that!, if that kind of senate would similar work in this country, every thing would work quite differently...

Are you serious? Could you explain your reasoning?

What I would like to know is why, in Paraguay, impeachment is sufficient to remove a president. Do they have a "guilty until proven innocent" provision in their constitution? Or is it something to do with their parliamentary system. The news stories I reviewed didn't bother to address the question, as if it were obvious. We may be screwed up in the US, but not that screwed up. But then we have something to do with their government being what it is.

[caballero reyes]

Quote from: mabar on Today at 12:30:21 AM

I have been reading a interesting book, in spanish though, "The country of one" by Denise Dresser. It talks about how politics had been "working" in this country---feudo named Mexico.


Hi, Mabar. Is this book translated to castellano (spanish)?

[Navigator]

Here is a link in english:

_http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/22/paraguay-fernando-lugo-ousted?newsfeed=true

[mabar]

Quote from: mabar on Today at 12:30:21 AM

Hi, Mabar. Is this book translated to castellano (spanish)?

It is in Spanish,  "El pais de Uno" by Denise Dresser, Editorial Aguilar 2012.  This one and the other I read last year "Mexicanidad y Esquizofrenia, Los dos rostros del MexiJano" by Agustín Basave, have interesting -more near to the ugly- aspects of mexican democracy, politics, system etc ... although from my point of view they failed to mention that Mexico does not exists by itself, they compare the good things from other countries and explain why we -as country- never could aspire to be better nation if we no change now, but do not touch the part of the interference of other powers (one world government) or the extra official version of things/situations.  Denis D., express a change starting from one, observe, analyze, read, participate in movements, pick up the trash, be aware, turn off the TV and such, and from Agustin Basave, I think it is more utopic... like his incise b) "decrease the breach between norm and reality with a renaissancent national pact that lead us to a new Constitution and the re engineering of the legislature to make convenient to the honest behaviour and inconvenient the corruption." To me it sounds nice and bold, but many had said similar since I remember and similar this months of campaigns, and thank to all gods the political campaigns end today.

Added: And they both lack the crucial information from Political Ponerology.

Edit: grammar and spelling

[mabar]

... well look at that!, if that kind of senate would similar work in this country, every thing would work quite differently...

Are you serious? Could you explain your reasoning?

What I would like to know is why, in Paraguay, impeachment is sufficient to remove a president. Do they have a "guilty until proven innocent" provision in their constitution? Or is it something to do with their parliamentary system. The news stories I reviewed didn't bother to address the question, as if it were obvious. We may be screwed up in the US, but not that screwed up. But then we have something to do with their government being what it is.

Well, I said it because I was surprised at that time, that with an impeachment they could removed him -do not know how the government of Paraguay works either, and I had been learning that other forces might had been behind it, as always, I supposed- _http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31603  The Destabilization of Paraguay: A Coup to the Democratic Process, _http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31612  Paraguay's Parliamentary Coup , Analysis and Historical Background.

I was surprised because in this country (Mexico), politicians can do whatever and withever, whenever they want, they are not being evaluated, they also cover each other even from different parties, depending on the convenience, and they are still being paid. And more than well paid!!! ... they reach obscene salaries, considering that more than 50 million of people live in poverty.

I think, as for governments, whichever country we might come from, we all are pretty much screw. With the one world government.  I wonder, which government is better nowadays?, which country  is excluded? and do work for their people?

[Megan]

Interesting. Some sort of covert operation, as usual.

I think there may have been problems with the translations. "Impeachment" is a process of charging an official with a crime. It's not the trial itself. Bill Clinton was impeached but acquitted. From this article it sounds as though there was an impeachment immediately followed by a kangaroo court kind of trial. We don't do that here (USA) but we sure like to encourage it elsewhere when it will rid us of somebody that isn't friendly enough to our interests. It is too bad that more people in the US don't know their own country's history.

[caballero reyes]

Thanks mabar for the information about the books.

[Acid Yazz]

In Paraguay, the National Constitution gives a lot of power to the parliament. This is something that has been done in response to the dictatorship we have had. In 1992 they had an assembly in which they created a new constitution which gave all the power to the parliament, thinking that this could prevent the presidents from concentrating too much power. This is why we speak of a parliamentary dictatorship running now in Paraguay.

I think you might have read this article already because it is published in sott.net... Yet I'll leave a link to it here for those who want to read some more about the coup in Paraguay:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248080-The-Paraguayan-Coup-How-agribusiness-landowners-media-elite-and-the-U-S-are-paving-the-way-for-regional-destabilization

And there is this one also:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/andrew-nickson/paraguays-presidential-coup-inside-story?referer=http%3A%2F%2Fworks.bepress.com%2Fandrew_nickson%2F23%2F

 

[ROEL]

You can take it to the bank that this has been a right wing coup, with no little encouragement from outside the country. The typical see-saw effect that takes place in Latin America when governments are of a democratic/socialist inclination. Quickly they come under attack, are demonized, and then eventually pushed aside. Then right wing rule ensues, and much later the reaction comes and a people-oriented government is installed. This puts the see-saw again in motion, and before you know it, once more the people-oriented government is out the window, courtesy of the usual fascist suspects, aka CIA, NSA, Banksters, Big Industry, local collaborators, et al.