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Space ships?
Knowledge Junkie 2012:
Craig Kasnov an astrophysicist with SETI, claims that 3 objects are headed to earth. They are supposedly alien craft. Their ETA is estimated to be around December 2012, in correlation with Mayan calendar. Has anyone heard about this? And does anyone have information to divulge about these supposed alien craft, on the way to earth?
Windmill knight:
A quick web search returns the following, from the SETI website:
_http://www.seti.org/node/825
--- Quote ---Internet Rumor of Inbound 2012 Spaceships Untrue
NO Spaceships Headed for Earth
Has the SETI Institute discovered three objects en route to our world? Alien spacecraft that will arrive in 2012?
If you believe a widespread story now being circulated on the internet, and published by the ironically named “Pravda” [_http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-12-2010/116314-giant_spaceships-0/], you might think so. But it’s all nonsense – it’s a rumor, a hoax, and a fabrication that uncritical web sites have reprinted without checking.
A few aspects of the story that are obviously suspect:
1 The objects, now described as a few hundred kilometers in size, and “beyond the orbit of Pluto”, were apparently discovered by SETI using the HAARP radio array. To begin with, the HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) instrument is located in Alaska. The position of the three “incoming” objects is given as -90 degrees declination – or the south celestial pole. Anyone versed in even elementary geometry can recognize that you can’t see this part of the sky from Alaska! In addition, and of clear import, neither the SETI Institute nor any other SETI project makes use of HAARP.
2 In the original version of this article _http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/3-very-large-objects-space-flying-to-earth, purported SETI astrophysicist Craig Kasnov is quoted as saying that the three objects are in-bound. No one named Craig Kasnov has ever worked at the SETI Institute. There is a media and conservation professional by name of Craig Kasnoff, who – with David Gedye – came up with the idea of the SETI@home screen saver many years ago. But he has explicitly noted that he has nothing to do with this story, and in fact the article itself points out that it is referencing “Kasnov” not “Kasnoff.” So the story rests on the testimony of a fictional character.
3 If the SETI Institute had, indeed, found three clearly artificial objects headed for Earth (or just about anywhere else), that news would be found here on its web site. It would also be in the mainstream media. It’s not.
The putative arrival in 2012 of objects from another world is no more believable than the Mayan calendar claim that the world will end in that same year, internet stories notwithstanding!
Dr. Seth Shostak
Senior Astronomer, SETI Institute
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This would not be the first time that we see Pravda making up stories out of thin air - which is why you will not see Pravda stories on Sott.
Whenever you see a sensational story like this, try looking for confirmation from different sources. But beware, there are many forums and sites that will uncritically copy the original (fake) source, so it's not enough to google it and be satisfied with a list of different links. You have to verify where the links got their info. If you have names of 'experts', see if they do have credentials elsewhere on the web - or if they even exist in the first place!
Also, you could do this little digging before posting on the forum, to save time to the rest of us and to exercise your own research skills. :)
lake_george:
For what it is worth, I came across this information last August (2011), which even included the coordinates where these objects are.
Here are the coordinates to use, once you go to http://www.sky-map.org/
19 25 12 -89 46 03 - the first large object
16 19 35 -88 43 10 - a cylindrical object
02 26 39 -89 43 13 - the object as a circle
I have not checked recently to see that they have not been 'deleted' from the map, but this is where they were visible on the map last August.
Data:
A few reasons why you shouldn't pay attention to such stories:
* Alien craft labelled as "object" or "spaceship" -- in the alien realm of hyperdimensions it appears unlikely that they would appear as static, solid objects for a longer period of time. In short, it is promoting alien technology to me made of "nuts and bolts"
* Specific coordinates in space and/or time -- precision for one aspect of a future event comes at the cost of another aspect (Uncertainty principle)
* HAARP described as an observation tool -- rather it seems to be used as mind control machine using all kinds of waves
* It mentions the Mayan calendar -- indicating long-outdated New Age sources
lake_george:
Hi Data,
FWIW to anyone, there were objects on the map at the coordinates I gave. Maybe the pixels in the map were manipulated by some bored grad student left in charge for too long! And yes, the part about how they "will be here in December 2012" sounds a bit far-fetched!!
If indeed these are actual non-concocted 3D-being-made objects, how far away / how far back in time are these objects?
I am very much working with the information that the 'reptilian aliens' are really hyperdimensional beings that have been interacting with life on Earth for thousands of years.
But there could well be 3D beings on other planets that have acquired the technology for space travel. Do any of these have the technological means to 'visit' us here? Because the distances are so great it seems that somehow traveling 'faster than the speed of light' would be necessary to get here. Also, for anyone else to 'know' that there is a planet with exploitable water-based life forms 'here' and 'now' (within the past 10s of thousands of years, or maybe 100s of thousands of years) would mean that only those pretty close to us would know that there is a planet here, much less one with water and life. Unless there was a way to 'see' us here that was independent of/faster than the speed of light.
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