Sleep paralysis while actually being awake.

[Paragon]

I would like to share an interesting yet very intensely terrifying event that happened about 15 minutes ago.

I notice that as I become more conscious of everything in life that my internal 'monitor' switches off much closer to the point of falling asleep. So for example I would be nearly asleep but I would still consciously be aware of my surroundings to a certain extent. I would hear the birds singing and the cars outside but my focus of awareness or my 'I' was in a mode of existence that is hard to describe. There is just pure thought almost.There's not many words I can use to explain the sensations.

Anyway getting to the point, I know that I experience sleep paralysis occasionally and especially when I am very tired, which I am since I haven't slept yet. But this time as I was falling asleep the time it took for my body to 'switch off' was very short, say 2 minutes and I was very aware that I had fallen asleep since all the sounds and everything seemed 'distant'. Basically the usual sensation of the division of my physical body and my own identification with it, if that makes sense. So this usually is disturbing and I tried to wake up and an amazing thing happened- I opened my eyes just fine with no or little struggle and I couldn't move my body. BUT, I was completely awake, being able to see the physical world very clearly YET in the space of 3 seconds something happened.

The most negative, slimy, dark energy i have ever experienced, started to flow through me. My body started to vibrate so intensely that I honestly thought I was being erased from existence. That's exactly the sensation and thought that this energy produced. Then I became aware of this extremely 'dark' blacker than black shadow, whirling in front of me. Not with my physical eyes though, and that's the thing, I saw it with my 'chest' or something, I don't know I can't explain that in physical terms.


So this all took place roughly within 3/4 seconds but time seemed 'frozen'. When I finally broke free of the paralysis, the dark energy and disgusting vibrations disspeared and all the normal 3D reality sounds came back. The thing that really got me that I thought really connects all this to a real phenomenon was the fact that I had intense goosebumps all over my body when I broke free of my bodily paralysis. This suggests to me that something DID happen and that the goosebumps might be a physical representation of 'Hyperdimensionality '? Like why would this event generate goosebumps all over my body? If someone were to have actually observed me then it might have been very strange indeed. And even if it were just standard sleep paralysis with no hyperdimensionality   to it, then why does this produce such a terrifying energy and a really, almost physical sensation of being vibrated, with actual physical evidence to support this?

It seems to me like everything exists at once and its just our focus of awareness that determines our reality. Of course we are here in 3D because that's where we fit, but what if as one become more conscious of everything down here, we are able to glimpse more and more beyond the 'veil'? I'm beginning to notice that time is flowing fast relative to how everyone else perceives it, but I feel like time is becoming more 'still?' what I mean by that is that since I am part of this world and all the laws of it, time for my body and for others flows
Normally, but I perceive it to be Becoming 'still' or not existing. I hope that comes across clearly since it is a difficult sensation to describe properly

Perhaps I witnessed what Laura Mentions in "high strangeness", where she encounters the conflict of "thought centres"? Just speculating.

[Teresa]

Is it possible that you were experiencing a body memory, which is like a visual flashback of a traumatic event but instead of seeing or hearing things your body feels the trauma.

[Paragon]

Hi Teresa, thank you for replying! 

That sounds possible indeed! I was just shocked that there was physical evidence of the energy and vibrations in the form of a warm wave and goosebumps. I never knew if it was just a manifestation of the mind or whatnot. Having experienced this, lends more weight to the hypothesis that existence isn't just strictly confined to the physical. Or so I think 

That all being said, my diet is rubbish! Who knows what effects with the coming wave and the food we Injest, Really affect us, and not just our physical bodies either. Perhaps it's all connected? If one does not follow the diet then real change is not possible?

[Teresa]

I do think it's all connected.  I think that psychological trauma does have a spiritual effect as well and doing EE releases all of it.  Diet is important too, I'm only about 90% paleo at the moment, but have noticed that I am more even tempered as well as feelling better physically.

[Scarlet]

I opened my eyes just fine with no or little struggle and I couldn't move my body. BUT, I was completely awake, being able to see the physical world very clearly YET in the space of 3 seconds something happened.

Hi Paragon,

This experience is an example of what people call "sleep paralysis" even though everyone who sleeps is paralyzed, except for sleepwalkers.  I have gotten it too here and there over the years.  Doctors are likely to explain SP by saying that your brain is temporarily still releasing a chemical in your body to keep you paralyzed when you sleep.  So SP is just a little 'glitch' in the wiring, so to speak, or so my doctors have said.  There are many theories, but I tend to think along the same line as what you suggested.  My current theory is it must be some sort of 4D STS bleed through, but who can say for sure.

The most negative, slimy, dark energy i have ever experienced, started to flow through me. My body started to vibrate so intensely that I honestly thought I was being erased from existence. That's exactly the sensation and thought that this energy produced. Then I became aware of this extremely 'dark' blacker than black shadow, whirling in front of me. Not with my physical eyes though, and that's the thing, I saw it with my 'chest' or something, I don't know I can't explain that in physical terms.

This sounds really scary and reminds me of a time all the hair on my arms stood straight up after an episode.  It also reminds me of some black misty blob void thing that was floating over me.  Your story just sounds so similar, or I think it does anyway.  I do not remember ever having similar dreams, so WTH!

Just remember that whatever it is will be going away and that you will be moving soon.  Trying to move your big toe might help you come out of it. 

Also, writing down all of my experiences has helped.  Releasing the info in words and pictures made it so I could work on not replaying the experiences over and over in my mind.

That all being said, my diet is rubbish! Who knows what effects with the coming wave and the food we Injest, Really affect us, and not just our physical bodies either. Perhaps it's all connected? If one does not follow the diet then real change is not possible?

Yes, it is all connected and I think you are onto something with these questions.  In the last year I have gotten SP only a few times, have seen nothing, and only heard a voice once.  I have also been working a lot on my health and have much less stress than when the episodes were more frequent and dramatic. 

Someone gave me great advice on here once, suggesting that an inflamed body could make for an inflamed mind too.  I can only speak for myself, but following the paleo diet is great for me.  Even just excluding dairy and gluten were very helpful for minimizing inflammation in my system.

Getting enough sleep has also been extremely important.  Speaking of that, I have noticed that I usually get SP when my sleeping patterns are thrown off.  I get it more often when I nap during the day or when I wake up in the middle of the night and stay up for a little while.  Other SP sufferers in some books about it have also experienced SP happening more often at those times.

Well, I just wanted to share my personal experiences and some lessons that have helped me out with SP in case something can be of help to you too. 

[Paragon]

Hi scarlet! Thank you for your insight ,

This experience is an example of what people call "sleep paralysis" even though everyone who sleeps is paralyzed, except for sleepwalkers.  I have gotten it too here and there over the years.  Doctors are likely to explain SP by saying that your brain is temporarily still releasing a chemical in your body to keep you paralyzed when you sleep.  So SP is just a little 'glitch' in the wiring, so to speak, or so my doctors have said.  There are many theories, but I tend to think along the same line as what you suggested.  My current theory is it must be some sort of 4D STS bleed through, but who can say for sure.

Yeah, every other time the SP was different in that it was very hard to open the eyes and when I did, I could move again. And this specific time I was fully conscious  and awake, leaving me with this 'seperation' of body and mind and how consciousness interacts with it all. Very interesting to see that in this event, I was able to witness that I am Not the mind or body. OSIT

This sounds really scary and reminds me of a time all the hair on my arms stood straight up after an episode.  It also reminds me of some black misty blob void thing that was floating over me.  Your story just sounds so similar, or I think it does anyway.  I do not remember ever having similar dreams, so WTH!

Just remember that whatever it is will be going away and that you will be moving soon.  Trying to move your big toe might help you come out of it.

Also, writing down all of my experiences has helped.  Releasing the info in words and pictures made it so I could work on not replaying the experiences over and over in my mind.

Thanks for the affirmation, it helps to know other people have gone through it too and are rooting' for ya just the same! 

The part in bolded, runs through my head too. Dreams and nightmares have a certain flavour to them, almost like they can feel very real but you are aware to a certain extent that it's 'normal' when you sleep.

But there are events that have taken place in my life that have a VERY specific feeling to them. You just 'know'. I sometimes get the feeling that my subconscious 'knows' so much more than it is letting on, regarding these events. Like my conscious memory would not know how to deal with these events, if rembered. Would be interesting in relation to the 'predators mind'. Who knows?

Diet is essential. It's one of the main stumbling blocks in my life. I am just addicted to sugar and Chinese food. Alcohol not so much as I stopped for 3 weeks once and didn't feel that bothered by not drinking, more of
A social thing. Just craved donuts and curry. 

Sorry a tad off topic!

Perhaps an experience I had this morning,
May ring a few bells for someone, regarding the flavour of these 'events'

I was sleeping and unconscious but at some point I came to a consious awareness of this terrible, disgusting sensation of very similar energy and fear as my SP episode. I was 'viewing' the the floors and levels of this 'building', where I became chillingly aware that something g was wrong and I was not supposed to be consious of this place.

It wasn't really a 'building, more like the sheer terror of the thought that  the inanimate matter of the floors were 'alive'. Now I really can't describe that sensation in words, but the floors had sounds that were feeding off me and my feelings of being 'trapped'. There were things working in these levels that weren't like humans but they were like black blobs of slimy energy. I remember being disgusted at the feeling of being probed by this kind of radiation this place was emitting, kinda like feeling dirty. If you have ever seen a tunnel bore machine and felt weirded out, then this whole 'being' or 'place' stunk of the same stuff.

I totally forgot about all this on awakening but realised that a voice had said to me something that triggered a memory of this 'event'.

No idea what the hell was going on, but thought id share as the energy and flavour was very similar to the high strangeness events of my childhood.

[Scarlet]

Diet is essential. It's one of the main stumbling blocks in my life. I am just addicted to sugar and Chinese food. Alcohol not so much as I stopped for 3 weeks once and didn't feel that bothered by not drinking, more of
A social thing. Just craved donuts and curry. 

Sorry a tad off topic!

Actually, I don't think it's off topic.  I agree that diet is essential and like I said before, I've had fewer SP episodes when I am lower stress.  Eating right and getting sleep at normal hours for me really help with that. 

The last time I had an SP episode I was reading High Strangeness and went off for a nap.  I awoke frozen to hear a child's voice taunting me saying, "It's fun being your friend!"  That was last November and each time they have been different for me too!  But they don't come like before.  Maybe they feed when we are weak or something.

Have you noticed any differences with foods that you ate and how you dream?  There is a joke here in the US about having weird dreams after eating bad Chinese food, but I don't know its origin or if it holds any weight in reality.  What I do know is sugar is equivalent to a drug.  After reading the books Sugar Shock and Sugar Blues some years ago I decided that once I had the knowledge it was important to work on it.  If you are ever up for it, stevia or xylitol are much healthier alternatives for sweeteners.  In addition, gluten is evil and that's been discussed all over the Diet and Health section of the forum too.

Well, I might be repeating what you already know and it's your body so it's your choice if you want to work on these things. 

[Paragon]

Diet is essential. It's one of the main stumbling blocks in my life. I am just addicted to sugar and Chinese food. Alcohol not so much as I stopped for 3 weeks once and didn't feel that bothered by not drinking, more of
A social thing. Just craved donuts and curry. 

Sorry a tad off topic!

Actually, I don't think it's off topic.  I agree that diet is essential and like I said before, I've had fewer SP episodes when I am lower stress.  Eating right and getting sleep at normal hours for me really help with that. 

The last time I had an SP episode I was reading High Strangeness and went off for a nap.  I awoke frozen to hear a child's voice taunting me saying, "It's fun being your friend!"  That was last November and each time they have been different for me too!  But they don't come like before.  Maybe they feed when we are weak or something.

Have you noticed any differences with foods that you ate and how you dream?  There is a joke here in the US about having weird dreams after eating bad Chinese food, but I don't know its origin or if it holds any weight in reality.  What I do know is sugar is equivalent to a drug.  After reading the books Sugar Shock and Sugar Blues some years ago I decided that once I had the knowledge it was important to work on it.  If you are ever up for it, stevia or xylitol are much healthier alternatives for sweeteners.  In addition, gluten is evil and that's been discussed all over the Diet and Health section of the forum too.

Well, I might be repeating what you already know and it's your body so it's your choice if you want to work on these things. 

Lol  yeah! I would say bad dreams after a dodgey Chinese is a common theme, but I'd say it has to do more with the evil MSG  I remember Laura in one of the threads here, describing a guy who had nearly died from eating something laden with the stuff!

Yeah, it really comes down to my choice to work on my diet and I don't want to waste others time by sharing experiences that May have high strangeness to them, but aren't as objective since I haven't been practicing EE or on the diet. Not on the same 'page' so to speak. Perhaps people want to add something anyway, and it may help others who aren't doing the diet or EE, to see my experiences.

It's quite a disconcert observing my machine and knowing that, yeah I'll say I should start EE and dietary changes, and I know the data behind it all, to then just go ahead and order a curry anyway! I guess my BEing hasn't quite reached the level to make changes of a physical kind. Is this in a way, a form of disrespect and insincerity towards people who have taken the time to address my posts?

In short if I'm not taking the time to work on the diet and EE, then I'm continuing to play in the dirt, considering all the data that has been accumulated regarding gluten and so forth?

[SethianSeth]

Perhaps an experience I had this morning,
May ring a few bells for someone, regarding the flavour of these 'events'

I was sleeping and unconscious but at some point I came to a consious awareness of this terrible, disgusting sensation of very similar energy and fear as my SP episode. I was 'viewing' the the floors and levels of this 'building', where I became chillingly aware that something g was wrong and I was not supposed to be consious of this place.

It wasn't really a 'building, more like the sheer terror of the thought that  the inanimate matter of the floors were 'alive'. Now I really can't describe that sensation in words, but the floors had sounds that were feeding off me and my feelings of being 'trapped'. There were things working in these levels that weren't like humans but they were like black blobs of slimy energy. I remember being disgusted at the feeling of being probed by this kind of radiation this place was emitting, kinda like feeling dirty. If you have ever seen a tunnel bore machine and felt weirded out, then this whole 'being' or 'place' stunk of the same stuff.

I totally forgot about all this on awakening but realised that a voice had said to me something that triggered a memory of this 'event'.

No idea what the hell was going on, but thought id share as the energy and flavour was very similar to the high strangeness events of my childhood.

Hey Paragon,

Thanks for starting this thread. I just wanted to chime in that my fiance and I have been having similar experiences over the past month or so. I had a sleep paralysis experience with a very frightening energy (had never happened before to me) about a week ago and my fiance has been having very alarming OOB experiences during the day that sound very much like this second experience you describe. She says that it seems to be connected to her thinking pattern, or a certain quality of thought or attention, that triggers a flood of terror, goosebumps, numbness, and the sensation that her surroundings appear more "real" or "alive" than during normal awareness. This is also coupled with a feeling of detaching from or becoming uncoordinated with her body. Bio-energetic breathing may help - she has been trying to work with that - but even focusing on breathing seems to heighten the panic for her.

In addition, there have been a number of times over the past month or so in which we step outside and are hit with a wave of the "dirty radiation" feeling you just talked about. Our energy levels could be total stable, and once stepping outside, there is just this oppressive cloud. We still don't know what to make of it, but like Scarlett pointed out, diet is one direction in which improvements can be made for us as well. It seems that since significant changes have been made to our diets, our systems have adjusted to a more sensitive orientation than before - seems that the "small cheats" that would never even go noticed physically with our old way of eating make major waves now. Things like not getting enough water, taking in more than a few grams of sugar, or eating subpar factory meats have big impact now.

One question: are you living in a city or highly populated area? We live in NYC and have wondered if location with relation to the concentrated population during these times, or even considering the potential for directed HAARP energy, etc (we live very close to an area the C's once suggested was home to an underground base of some sort...sorry, I don't have time to locate the session at the moment). No idea, and certainly not attaching favor to any of the possibilities here, but it is comforting seeing that others are having similar experiences or have had in the past. All I know, is that it is really good friction to get my act together and stay focused. I hope you find strength out of your experiences as well...

Edit for clarity: I realized I wrote "as well" in the previous sentence. This is misleading. I am not finding strength in these experiences. Truth be told, they have me pretty well frightened. I hope to use this experience as friction for work. But it IS terrifying...

[Foxx]

Diet is essential. It's one of the main stumbling blocks in my life. I am just addicted to sugar and Chinese food. Alcohol not so much as I stopped for 3 weeks once and didn't feel that bothered by not drinking, more of
A social thing. Just craved donuts and curry. 

Sorry a tad off topic!

I'm not sure why you're laughing at this part--it sounds to me like it's very likely that continuing to indulge your addiction to sugar and neuro-damaging MSG is opening you up to forms of attack.  It also demonstrates that you have absolutely no will and, for some reason, find your mechanicalness amusing.  It seems also extremely likely that you're still consuming wheat and/or gluten via chinese food (and are you actually eating donuts??), which is obviously a serious problem, along with plastic fats.  The alcohol is obviously also a problem, but considering that you've been registered here for over two years, do you really need a reminder?  With all of these indulgences, what exactly have you been doing with your time here?

If you can't even commit to the diet (and think it's funny that you can't, no less), you're a very far ways away from doing any actual real work and are simply dreaming that you're working.  You seem to be completely unaware of the terror of the situation.

Maybe it would help you to read this article on Morgellons disease, really try to imagine what it would be like to have it, and consider that every donut, plastic fat, and chinese food dish that you eat is bringing you closer to catching this, something similar, or worse.  And then remember that Morgellons isn't even the tip of the ice burg--more like an ice cube on a glacier.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/234663-Morgellons-Disease-and-The-Quantum-Leap-of-Awareness

[Scarlet]

It's quite a disconcert observing my machine and knowing that, yeah I'll say I should start EE and dietary changes, and I know the data behind it all, to then just go ahead and order a curry anyway! I guess my BEing hasn't quite reached the level to make changes of a physical kind. Is this in a way, a form of disrespect and insincerity towards people who have taken the time to address my posts?

Well, if you're not here to sincerely work on yourself then I would say yes, it is being inconsiderate to the members of this forum.  I agree with the statements Foxx has made.  Sometimes the truth hurts, but it can help us to grow and after a while we turn back and look at our old selves wondering why we didn't decide to learn whatever it was sooner.  What's interesting is you seem to know a little about the diet information, but are choosing to let your predator have a field day regardless.  4D STS do enjoy to feast.  I wish you the best, Paragon, and think it's good you asked these questions, because that shows some external consideration on your part. 

In short if I'm not taking the time to work on the diet and EE, then I'm continuing to play in the dirt, considering all the data that has been accumulated regarding gluten and so forth?

May I ask why you are an FOTCM member?

I had a sleep paralysis experience with a very frightening energy (had never happened before to me) about a week ago and my fiance has been having very alarming OOB experiences during the day that sound very much like this second experience you describe.

I have a relative who used to have OBEs during the day, but it only happened when she stopped taking birth control pills.  She had to be put on lithium, which helped.  I don't know if your fiance is on any medications, but figured I'd mention this, FWIW.  Hope things get better for you two!

[Turgon]

But this time as I was falling asleep the time it took for my body to 'switch off' was very short, say 2 minutes and I was very aware that I had fallen asleep since all the sounds and everything seemed 'distant'. Basically the usual sensation of the division of my physical body and my own identification with it, if that makes sense. So this usually is disturbing and I tried to wake up and an amazing thing happened- I opened my eyes just fine with no or little struggle and I couldn't move my body.

This sounds more like you dissociated rather than a full on sleep paralysis.  And I'm curious what you mean by what I bolded above.  Are you often in a state where there is a division between your body and your identification with it? 

Because if that's the case, it points to some additional clues that you've posted.  In particular, this:

The most negative, slimy, dark energy i have ever experienced, started to flow through me. My body started to vibrate so intensely that I honestly thought I was being erased from existence. That's exactly the sensation and thought that this energy produced. Then I became aware of this extremely 'dark' blacker than black shadow, whirling in front of me. Not with my physical eyes though, and that's the thing, I saw it with my 'chest' or something, I don't know I can't explain that in physical terms.

And even if it were just standard sleep paralysis with no hyperdimensionality   to it, then why does this produce such a terrifying energy and a really, almost physical sensation of being vibrated, with actual physical evidence to support this?

I'm fairly certain you didn't experience hyperdimensionality or SP, as you think it is.  This seems more a case of a dissociation occurring.  Something triggered it, and if what I can garner from the bolded part above is true, that means your mind-body connection is tentative at best.  Part of how trauma's work is they separate ourselves from our bodies causing everything to become far away because the stimuli we are experiencing is too much to handle.  We, in a certain sense aren't 'there' anymore.  From what I remember, this is exactly the chink in the armor, or avenue that's needed for attachments, spirits of trauma or dead dudes are waiting for - which could be what that dark slimy blob is.  Something that is affecting your behaviour in a destructive way, that you are most likely feeding into by continuing on the dietary path you are on and disregarding EE.

This seems likely the avenue 4D STS takes to reak havoc in peoples lives and feed, not through a direct intervention or interaction of sorts.  I think your flippant attitude to the diet and EE, as well your consistent use of smiley face emoticons in this thread is concerning.  There is obviously something coming to the surface that you aren't paying attention to.  You have choices as to how to respond, and pretty obvious ones as Foxx pointed out, yet your not doing anything about it and trying to make a joke of it.  So what gives? 

[SethianSeth]

I have a relative who used to have OBEs during the day, but it only happened when she stopped taking birth control pills.  She had to be put on lithium, which helped.  I don't know if your fiance is on any medications, but figured I'd mention this, FWIW.  Hope things get better for you two!

Thank you for the response, Scarlett. Currently, neither of us are on any medications. I do use an inhaler for asthma, but intermittently. We're going to continue to keep ourselves attentive to the signs to see if we can discern further triggers - specifically as mentioned before with diet. She has also found that it happens at work when she is standing next to huge floral arrangements so there may be an allergy issue as well, although it doesn't account for all the times it has happened. Of course, we won't rule out seeing a doctor if it persists.