Kettlebell training

aragorn

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In the light of the recent paper posted by Laura where the benefits of proper weight training was highlighted, I thought I'd start a thread on kettlebell training. This is something that e.g. Gedgaudas recommends, and I'm sure there are others who recommend it, too. In my understanding, the kettlebell originates from Scotland from the Highland games (?)

I've been training with KB for almost a month now, and I'm absolutely in love with it. Short and intensive workout!

Kettlebell training seems to be one of the best, if not THE best, form of exercise there is. Take a look at this recent article, where ACE (American Council on Exercise) examines the fitness benefits of kettlebells:

_http://tinyurl.com/bl852t5

Some quotes:

During the 20-minute workout, the average calorie burn was 272 calories, not counting additional calorie burn due to the sub- stantial anaerobic effort.
“We estimated oxygen consumption and how many calories they were burning aerobically, and it was 13.6 calories per minute. But we also measured the blood lactate, so anaerobically they were burning another 6.6 calories per minute,” explains Porcari. “So they were burning at least 20.2 calories per minute, which is off the charts. That’s equivalent to running a 6-minute mile pace. The only other thing I could find that burns that many calories is cross- country skiing up hill at a fast pace.”

Researchers credit the brisk calorie burning to the fact that the kettlebell snatch workout is a total-body movement that is also done very quickly due to the interval-training format. “We knew it would be extremely intense,” says Schnettler. “It’s a quick workout, and you do get a big bang for your buck in a very short amount of time.”

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Kettlebells can provide one heck of a workout. Based on comparisons with data from previous research on standard weight training, the HR and VO2 responses during the kettlebell snatch routine suggest it provides a much higher-intensity workout than standard weight-training routines. Furthermore, the kettlebell snatch workout easily meets industry recommendations for improving aerobic capacity. “This is good news for people who are looking for a very good resistance-training workout that will also help them lose weight,” says Schnettler. “For people who might not have a lot of time, and need to get in a good workout as quickly as possible, kettlebells definitely provide that.”

You can find the original study here: _http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/46602/schnettlerchad2009.pdf?sequence=1

Some quotes from that one:

While examining the effects of the Body Pump workout (an aerobic workout utilizing barbells as resistance), Stanforth et al. (2000) found that subjects worked at an average of29% ofVOzmax and 63% ofHRmax. Subjects burned 265 calories over the 45-60 minute workout. Olson et al. (1991) studied the effects of bench stepping exercise in females and found that the use of two pound hand weights during exercise significantly increased VOz, caloric expenditure, and ratings of perceived exertion (RPE), even when compared to the use of one pound hand weights. They also found that upper body exercise elicited higher HR and lower stroke volume values than leg exercise at the same VOz. These differences relate to a phenomenon called the "pressor response."

Porcari and Curtis (1996) reviewed the pressor response, a concept that results in a disproportionately elevated HR When compared to oxygen consumption during resistance training. The pressor response phenomenon is made up of three key components.

First, this response activates areas o f the brain that control cardiovascular function by attempting to have HR and blood pressures match the number of electrical impulses received by the working muscles. Second, muscular contraction causes compression of the blood vessels that lead to the working muscle, inhibiting fresh blood from reaching the tissue beds while also not allowing waste products to be removed the working areas. This results in HR and blood pressure being regulated by a nervous reflex that doesn't necessarily meet the metabolic needs of the muscle. Third, vasoconstriction also occurs in the non-working muscles in an attempt to redirect blood
to the working muscles. This reduces the heart's stroke volume and increases HR.


RESULTS

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Maxiimal HR and VOz values were compared for the maximal treadmill and kettlebeII VOzmax tests. A significant difference was found value between the VOzmax ofthe treadmill test and the kettlebeII VOzmax test. The treadmill VOzmax was 23% higher than the VOzmax attained during the kettlebeII VOzmax test. No significant difference was found between the maximal HRs attained during either test.

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The main purpose of this study was to determine the energy cost and relative intensity of a typical kettlebell workout. The study also aimed to quantify how the HR and V02 data obtained during the kettlebell snatch workout compared to the guidelines recommended by the ACSM for improving cardiorespiratory endurance. The ACSM (2006) recommends that healthy adults exercise at an intensity of 64% - 94% of HRmax or 40% - 85% of V02max to improve aerobic capacity. The kettlebell snatch workout meets these recommendations, as HR averaged 93% of HRmax and VO2 averaged 78% of V02peak when compared to the kettlebell V02max test (63% of V02max when compared to the maximal treadmill test).

The HR and V02responses during the kettlebell snatch workout indicated a much greater intensity than other studies that incorporated weights or weight training into the workout. However, the one common thread between the studies is a significant difference between % HRmax and % V02max values. During the Body Pump workout (1991), subjects worked at only 29% of V02max, but 63% of HRmax. Similar differences were also seen in studies by Wilmore, et al. (1978) and Garbutt et al. (1994). The subjects in the study by Wilmore et al. (13) worked at 84% of HRmax and only 45% V02max during CWT. The subjects in the study by Garbutt et al. (1994) worked at 69% of HRmax and 50% of VO2max, also performing a CWT workout. The discrepancy between % of HRmax and % of VO2max to varying degrees in all ofthese studies indicates that a pressor response was occurring. Given that the difference between % HRmax and %VO2max was less for the kettlebell snatch workout than in these other studies, it would indicate that the kettlebell snatch workout is more aerobic than the training methods used in other studies. This is likely because a greater muscle mass is active during kettlebell exercise. Larger muscles mean a greater distribution of blood flow.

One primary reason for activation of the pressor response with the kettlebell snatch workout was that even though correct technique for kettlebell snatches does involve the legs, much of the work is actually accomplished using the shoulder muscles. Because ofthe heavy weights used during the workout, the muscles are likely working at a relatively higher percentage of their maximum (% maximal voluntary contraction), thus invoking a high pressor response. A higher HR at any given level ofVO2 is typically seen with arm work compared to leg work.

ACSM recommends an exercise duration of 20-60 minutes exercise in order to produce cardiorespiratory benefits. However, new guidelines published by ACSM and the American Heart Association (2007) state that 20 minutes vigorous aerobic activity is also acceptable in order to promote and maintain physical health. The kettlebell snatch workout falls within these new guidelines, asthekettlebell snatch workout would be considered vigorous exercise.

CONCLUSION

In conclusion, the kettlebell snatch workout meets the ACSM guidelines for improving cardiorespiratory endurance. The 20-minute kettlebell snatch workout also meets ACSM and AHA recommendations for exercise intensity as it is considered vigorous intensity. However, the high HRs reached during the workout indicate the pressor response was activated due to the large volume of work being done with the arms as opposed to the legs.

Energy expenditure during the kettlebell snatch workout averaged 13.6 kcal/min or 272 calories burned during the 20-minute workout. This number is likely an underestimate of total energy expenditure as anaerobic energy expenditure played a significant role. Lactate samples were not taken during the kettlebell snatch workout when lactate levels were likely highest in the blood.

From what I've looked up, there seems to be two "big" names in this field: Michael Skogg and Pavel Tsatsouline:

_skoggsystem.com
_http://paveltsatsouline.net

Tsatsouline's approach is overly macho, but if you don't let that bother you, his videos (YouTube) and articles gets you started. I haven't looked into Skogg's ideas that much (there isn't much available on YouTube), but he seems more "modern" - encouraging women to participate, and has more variations in his moves. I'm planning to buy his DVD when my economic situation allows.
 
You can listen to Gedgaudas interviewing Michael Skogg here:

_http://primalbody-primalmind.blogspot.fi/2010/08/primal-fitness-getting-into-primal.html
 
It seems as though the main comparison listed in the posted exerpts with regards to weight-training is more like a group cardio session using quite moderate weights?

I don't see how kettlebell snatches should be superior to barbell snatches for example?
 
Thanks for the links Aragorn.

I have a set of kettle bells and had lost the exercise instructions that come with them. I'm looking forward to putting a new program in place.
 
Many of my Krav Maga class mates are into using these.

I have tried them a couple of times, and I may just invest in some of these for myself too yet!
 
I looked at the pdf from the ACE and most exercises can be done with dumbells. But the difference is that Kettlebells are used primarily for swinging movements, so they end up combining strength training and cardio in one workout.


liffy said:
It seems as though the main comparison listed in the posted exerpts with regards to weight-training is more like a group cardio session using quite moderate weights?

I don't see how kettlebell snatches should be superior to barbell snatches for example?
 
EricG said:
I looked at the pdf from the ACE and most exercises can be done with dumbells. But the difference is that Kettlebells are used primarily for swinging movements, so they end up combining strength training and cardio in one workout.

Yes, that's a good thing, unless it lowers the weights you are able to use significantly. To me it seems that what brings the best results are intensive short sets, using weights rather close to your maximum abilitites, possibly coupled with a few cardio interval workouts a week. I'm not discrediting kettlebells completely, but I think they serve better as part of a workout, and not the only tool one uses. :)
 
Has anyone tried Crossfit? I've been doing it for about 6 months and have got a lot fitter and stronger than other things I've tried. I'm mentioning it as they use kettlebells extensively too. Basically the workouts use functional movements from gymnastics coupled with Olympic lifting techniques with an aim to increase cardio fitness, muscle strength / power / endurance. You also need to develop flexibility to get better at a lot of the movements, so that's a big component too. The routines are mixed up quite a bit, so it's not boring and it's well rounded for your whole body. They are also big advocates of Paleo and the gender mix at least in the gym I attend is close to equal. Anyway, like anything, some take it too extremes too and in my opinion don't listen to their bodies as they continually push pain barriers, so there's also some bad rep around this side of things.
 
Thank you for posting that interview Aragorn.
Just a note that I've been doing some kettlebell swings for the past couple of days, and it's amazing how energizing this is. It'd be interesting to see what the results will be after a few months. But so far, I'm really liking it.
 
Kettlebell training seems to be a great way to get an intensive workout in a short time for those who are able to do the movements.

Some of the drills can be a bit challenging for individuals with certain limitations in their movement capacity and if they have structural problems/ injury history.

KB training has become very popular, but there is some legit critique out there also. It seems that the main kettlebell lifts could in fact be done in possibly a safer and more efficient way by using adjustable, rotating-sleeve dumbbells.

http://skinnybulkup.com/kettlebells-are-inferior-to-dumbbells/

The writer seems to find fault in the way one has to adapt to the kettlebell rather than focusing on specific area of training be it power, speed, strength:

http://skinnybulkup.com/kettlebells-are-inferior-to-dumbbells/#comment-3628

When you use low rep power moves with a heavy kettlebell, you have to use “proper kettlebell technique” to avoid damaging yourself. This means you’re not primarily training power, speed, and strength. Instead you’re training yourself to adapt to a kettlebell, while hoping you get some conditioning benefit along the way.
With a rotating-sleeve barbell, or a dumbbell (which also might have a rotating sleeve), the barrier to entry is much, much lower. Athletes use this equipment to train power and speed without the need to avoid injury by contorting their bodies.
To get around this injury problem, kettlebell advocates use high reps and sub-maximal effort. They involve themselves in “kettlebell training” rather than general purpose training. It’s impossible to use a kettlebell as a neutral training tool; athletes have to first learn how to manipulate the kettlebell before they get any real training benefit. And when they become kettlebell experts, they still can’t work out as effectively as athletes who use modern dumbbells or barbells.

The KB snatch is notorious for how the top part of the lift can bang on the wrist. One bloke, apparently having done the lift with proper technique for a long while, broke his forearm:

http://skinnybulkup.com/kettlebells-are-inferior-to-dumbbells/#comment-1031

The article is also interesting in describing the history of kettlebells and the way they have been popularized in the recent years.

Myself, having a bum shoulder, all overhead presses and weighted overhead movements are a no-no. Also I have to be careful with my low back, so my kettlebell usage is limited to farmer’s/ racked carries and single leg romanian deadlifts. Mixing some carefully picked dumbbell/ barbell exercises with mainly bodyweight training seems to be a suitable way to train for me.

alkhemst said:
Anyway, like anything, some take it too extremes too and in my opinion don't listen to their bodies as they continually push pain barriers, so there's also some bad rep around this side of things.

Yes, the problem with Crossfit seems to be the tendency to go too far with the training. Also the emphasis on olympic lifts can be a problem, as many adults just can't do them with proper technique. Usually these lifts are done in sets of low reps with emphasis on good form. Doing multiple sets of large amounts of reps, as in Crossfit, can lead to an injury sooner or later.
 
I did Crossfit classes off and on for 2 years. I loved it that the work out was usually less than 30 minutes and always a differenct work-out; and I was really in great shape. Although I did injure my shoulders from over-doing push-ups and pull-ups and had to be pretty careful with them afterwards. 8 months ago I switched to my local gym because its walking distance and its better with my work schedule ( I had to drive 10 minutes to Crossfit and was almost always late).
I do a kettlebell class once or twice a week and my instructor is knowledgeable about core exercises. My low back pain has been greatly reduced since doing this class (crossfit usually aggravated it for some reason) which I attribute to my core-strengthening. My arms and legs are strong and I haven't had any injuries. I've even started doing some bare-foot jogging in the woods since my back is feeling better. From an experiential perspective, I highly recommend kettlebell training.

However, I will say that I have a great instructor and that can make a world of difference! Also, since joining the gym and doing so many core-strengthening exercises, I'm convinced that core strength is vital to a functioning body...controlling breathing, preventing back injuries, good posture, ability to change positions easily, flexibility... so much of this can get lost in the average sedentary life-style. That is my experience so far with the "styles" of exercise. It used to be just climbing trees, jumping over rocks or fences, running in the woods, doing hard work, lifting stuff, hiking, dancing....the stuff that makes us strong... now I have to pay for a class!!! Ha ha... Just my 2 cents.

Tree
 
Tree said:
Although I did injure my shoulders from over-doing push-ups and pull-ups and had to be pretty careful with them afterwards.

Hi Tree,

That’s a good point you brought up with the push-ups and pull-ups injuring shoulders.

As I was having problems with my own shoulder, I researched the subject and came across the concept of ”structural balance” in training. Apparently, when one does push-ups and pull-ups, the shoulder is in an internally rotated position (as with pretty much all pressing exercises):

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/shoulder_savers_part_i
Humeral External Rotation Humeral Internal Rotation

All External Rotation Variations Bench Pressing, Pushups
Seated DB Cleans Pullups/Pulldowns
Cuban Presses Front Raises
Rear Delt Flyes Dips
Prone Trap Raises Overhead Pressing
Prone Cobras (held for time) All Internal Rotation Variations

An excess of internal rotation -exercises, combined with all the sitting people do these days (usually in a forwardly slouched position, with the shoulders in internal rotation), can cause shoulder problems.

The advice seems to be to add enough external rotation variations to balance all the internal rotation volume, and actually perform 2 to 3 times more horizontal pulling to pressing exercises.

A good article series on shoulders:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/shoulder_savers_part_i

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/shoulder_savers_part_ii

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/shoulder_savers_part_iii

A word of warning though, the articles were published on "testosterone-nation" -website, so the adds and the pictures on the side of the page can be a bit ”macho”. The content of the articles is very good though :)
 
I don't think there is anything that can be better than just a good weight-lifting work-out with both free weights and gym machines. If there is a gym near enough to you - and inexpensive enough - that's the ticket. After my accident when I was sent to lift weights as therapy, I came to really appreciate Nautilus! Later, we got one of those multi-use home gyms that has the butterfly, lat-pull-down, leg lift, rowing motion, and a couple others. It's a pretty versatile machine. Something like this: http://www.home-gym.com/pop1muhogym1.html but I know you can find them cheaper. I bought mine from an ad in the paper for half-price and it was like new. I also bought a used treadmill.

Here, we have the multi-station thing, a treadmill, and three Nautilus things that were used and donated. Also, a selection of free weights. So I can go downstairs to "the gym" and do a pretty decent work-out. We also have one of those cross-trainer things and some kind of slidey thing that was very popular and advertised on TV to cure all your fat ailments in nothing flat.

Since the studies show that it is the weight lifting that really kicks the wild mtDNA into play, and NOT aerobic stuff, I'm going to stick with my weights and controlled lifting though I am speeding it up a tad to get the burn within one minute.
 
I read that it is best to train the fast-twitch muscle fibers because when you do that you train the whole muscle as opposed to low-intensity over a long time where fast-twitch fibers may actually be cannibalized to restore torn up type 1 fibers. Martial arts definitely comes to mind here. I remember videos of Jet Li training - he had long ropes tied around his fists and tied to a tree behind him and he was punching into the air against the ropes. Would this be a good exercise? I know that in a survival sense, the slack of the ropes would simulate punching a heavily padded target, and maybe train to break bones under flesh. Would this be a good type of exercise?

My workout for a long time was to take a large wooden rod outside and bludgeon sticks. I would toss sticks in the air and break them to pieces swinging that rod as hard as I could. Nowadays I can't find a rod that is strong enough. I always break them within a week or two. At one time where I was eating a very large amount of carbs, I got strong enough and had enough energy that simply swinging my arm without the rod, I could painfully strain my biceps because of the explosive power I gained. After all, I was only strengthening the swinging muscles, not the restraining muscles...

"Adapting to the kettlebell" makes a lot of sense to me concerning the core muscles. It is an approximate, indirect motion, not a direct force on specific muscles. You end up using more muscles and in more ways, specifically because the exercise is not straightforward or direct. It seems this was how the body was designed to be used most of the time. Those gym machines typically only have one arc, one plane of motion, one direction of travel, and I think this is very limiting. Real work is difficult, you must learn how to do it, you must learn to do it right so you don't hurt yourself.
 
monotonic said:
"Adapting to the kettlebell" makes a lot of sense to me concerning the core muscles. It is an approximate, indirect motion, not a direct force on specific muscles. You end up using more muscles and in more ways, specifically because the exercise is not straightforward or direct. It seems this was how the body was designed to be used most of the time. Those gym machines typically only have one arc, one plane of motion, one direction of travel, and I think this is very limiting. Real work is difficult, you must learn how to do it, you must learn to do it right so you don't hurt yourself.

What you do AFTER you have healed mtDNA issues is completely open. I am speaking specifically about a surgically precise technique for effecting that healing. If you can zero in on one muscle or muscle group, take it to the limit, then go to the next one, quickly, safely and efficiently, your healing will be much faster. What our ancestors did in the past has no bearing on this because they weren't in a state of mitochondrial mutation and decay.
 
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